Don't buy from invisiblesight found industries ngal mk4, no refund scammed. Chargeback.

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New to forum, just making this post for everyone to be aware.

I bought the mk4 from this guy December 2023, I knew I would wait a while and that was fine with me. He said


8-16 weeks which, from reading other people's experiences was a flat out lie. It's ok if the lead time is that long, well not really but ok whatever, but be upfront about it. That's literally it. Anyway, he kept extending the date over and over again until finally, the promised ship date at the end of October. It came and went and I got no communication from him, for almost 3 weeks. l asked for a refund, again ignored for 2 weeks and still no response.


So l filed for a chargeback and because it was so long they denied it until I kept calling and calling and they finally gave it, they gave it because the delivery date was much greater than 60 days. Not to mention people here and else where have said the moa adjustments are more like 2-3 moa and the moa changes even before the click.


A guy also said his VCSEL mk4 was actually EEL.


There is absolute zero reason for the wait time to be this long, he is only assembling the units from premade pcbvs and laser diodes and housings. There is no reason to not know when your order will ship, how do you not know where a customer is in line and how many units you can make a month? And beyond all of those issues when someone wants a refund, you give it to them. 1050$ is not an insignia by amount of money and when you get emails asking about updates or a refund you reply immediately.


You don't send some bs email saying how your order will actually ship 2-3 weeks from now, which is already 3 weeks late. I am buying a laserspeed, I don't trust this guy at all and I bet if he did agree to a refund he would give me some bs about keeping 5 percent of the transaction.


You've had my money for over a year, the interest rates we've had you would have more than made up the fee of the credit card processing. He basically got an interest free loan from me for almost a year now. I wouldn't b v the mk4 from him, I wouldn't get the EG either. MAYBE in the future when he's actually shipping units out same week as purchase and there's reviews out there he can be trusted. Also, if he's shipped out hundreds of mk4s (or should have) why do I not see reviews in the wild? There's pretty much nothing out there, who the hell is even getting them? Aren't there hundreds of orders if not over a thousand? And yet really no one seemingly has them?
 
I don't know why anyone orders from this sheister?

The products that i've seen that he's actually delivered are garbage. His ES NGAL is a toy on par with the somogear crap.
I heard excellent things at the time of ordering but quality has seemingly taken a downturn. I don’t know what’s going on with his business but it’s very concerning that he’s willing to risk chargebacks and hold onto money like that.
 
Brother. I mean no disrespect but you've got to do more research.

There are endless threads with customers waiting over a year for products that have yet to be delivered. In what world is that acceptable?

People are so desperate for "full power" that they're willing to tie up 500-1000 dollars on the off chance they receive a unit?

I'm glad you got a refund. F, that guy.
 
Brother. I mean no disrespect but you've got to do more research.

There are endless threads with customers waiting over a year for products that have yet to be delivered. In what world is that acceptable?

People are so desperate for "full power" that they're willing to tie up 500-1000 dollars on the off chance they receive a unit?

I'm glad you got a refund. F, that guy.
I was aware of the wait times in December when I made the purchase but it’s just him lying constantly about deliver is what got to me. I was promised a final delivery date in October and he just ignored me.
I wouldn’t even have made this thread if he had given a refund.
At this point, im going with a laserspeed m6tr. That will be my fp lam, LS is also very quick to feedback and there’s an upgrade coming soon.
 
Yep, same boat for me. Ordered mine in Jan of 2024, constant delays but his comms were good - up until Nov 21 of this year when he ghosted me, will no longer answer any emails.

Will report it as fraud to VISA, doubt i'll get my money back. Caveat Emptor.
 
Yep, same boat for me. Ordered mine in Jan of 2024, constant delays but his comms were good - up until Nov 21 of this year when he ghosted me, will no longer answer any emails.

Will report it as fraud to VISA, doubt i'll get my money back. Caveat Emptor.
I got my money back
He sent it 10 days after that happened and then disputed my chargeback but I had gotten a permanent credit already
He sent me an email and vaguely threatened me, used a third party application to see if I had opened the email too. Quite scummy. Would have been useful to me to see if he was ignoring my own emails to him.
 
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I got my money back
He sent it 10 days after that happened and then disputed my chargeback but I had gotten a permanent credit already
He sent me an email and vaguely threatened me, used a third party application to see if I had opened the email too. Quite scummy. Would have been useful to me to see if he was ignoring my own emails to him.
So you eventually got the unit and the charge back money (well, unit shipped after charge back)? Am understanding this correctly?
 
So you eventually got the unit and the charge back money (well, unit shipped after charge back)? Am understanding this correctly?
He sent me the unit 10 days after the chargeback went through after I told him I wanted a refund several times. I already purchased an m6tr replacement by then, I’m still holding onto it until day 180 in case things change with the bank.
 
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Im in the same boat. Ordered the iseg from him begining of july. 8-16 weeks. After 16 weeks all i got was excuses. At 25 weeks and many emails i get a tracking # that doesnt work. More emails and more excuses. Last email he promised it would ship in 10 days "firm date" was his words. 10 days later nothing and no longer responding to my emails. I sent a email a few days ago asking for a refund and still no answer. Looks like ill be doing a chargeback too in a few more days if i get no reply. I have also seen in other online forums he still sent out the unit after asking for refunds and charge backs and then disputes the charge back.
 
Im in the same boat. Ordered the iseg from him begining of july. 8-16 weeks. After 16 weeks all i got was excuses. At 25 weeks and many emails i get a tracking # that doesnt work. More emails and more excuses. Last email he promised it would ship in 10 days "firm date" was his words. 10 days later nothing and no longer responding to my emails. I sent a email a few days ago asking for a refund and still no answer. Looks like ill be doing a chargeback too in a few more days if i get no reply. I have also seen in other online forums he still sent out the unit after asking for refunds and charge backs and then disputes the charge back.
I posted on Reddit and ar15.com so you maybe simply seen my duplicate posts, maybe different usernames
 
He sent me the unit 10 days after the chargeback went through after I told him I wanted a refund several times. I already purchased an m6tr replacement by then, I’m still holding onto it until day 180 in case things change with the bank.
Did anything change with your bank? I finally got a reply from "Fang" guy the other day after my chargeback went through saying he canceled and issued a refund and how he never saw my emails and more bs. Now looks like he is trying to disputing the charge back but has yet to issue me a refund.
 
Did anything change with your bank? I finally got a reply from "Fang" guy the other day after my chargeback went through saying he canceled and issued a refund and how he never saw my emails and more bs. Now looks like he is trying to disputing the charge back but has yet to issue me a refund.
Not yet, it’s been almost two months now(well more like 3) so I doubt anything will change. I got my refund before he even shipped it out and then he vaguely threatened me after I didn’t respond to him.
 
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I heard excellent things at the time of ordering but quality has seemingly taken a downturn. I don’t know what’s going on with his business but it’s very concerning that he’s willing to risk chargebacks and hold onto money like that.

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