Ended up in ER last nigght

ArcticLight

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Who's a doc here?

Having been sick the past few days my activity was minimal, time on couch...slept with a crook in my neck.

Woke up to these muscle spasms in the neck, right hand side. I know my back is out of adjustment..

Doc stuck a numbing agent in my neck via needle, muscle relaxers, vicodin ( I never take vicodin but I did last night!!)...

WTF??

if i mmove wrong the spasm jumps up in pain to a 9, hangs for 2-4 seconds and then minimizes to near zero....

Karate Kia'ing helps alleviate the pain but shit....what's causing it? Neck out of alignment?

I told my gal I was sorry for being brokedick...and at the ER she said she still loved me even if I was a broken dick so I say "It ain't broken dick babe, it's BROKEDICK" - and we were belly laughing that one out until the nurses came in....

THis is how I feel after a longrifle match, except the spasms..

This has to get better today as I have to work tomorrow...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who's a doc here?
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UKDSlayer. She's very helpful and knowledgeable.

I was hit by a drunk 13yrs ago and now I get the same thing you have every-once in a while and I just take ibuprofen and T3s and suffer for a few days. Mine shoots up into the base of my skull and makes my vision blur/narrow with the pain. I find that cracking my neck when it gets stiff throughout the day seems to prevent it but one night of sleeping wrong and I'll be out of commission for days.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who's a doc here?
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UKDSlayer. She's very helpful and knowledgeable.

I was hit by a drunk 13yrs ago and now I get the same thing you have every-once in a while and I just take ibuprofen and T3s and suffer for a few days. Mine shoots up into the base of my skull and makes my vision blur/narrow with the pain. I find that cracking my neck when it gets stiff throughout the day seems to prevent it but one night of sleeping wrong and I'll be out of commission for days. </div></div>

That's exactly what mine was doing, right muscle goes up under the skull, feels like it's popping out...

Doing OK right now on teh meds, can almost turn my head to the right...wish my neck would pop in place, I know it would stop this thing...

Better living through modern chemistry..
 
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Sounds like maybe a pinched nerve , need to see a chiro and do some light weight training to straighten stuff. had one once and lost 10 lbs in a week-vision got blurry and felt like a stiff neck combined with a bad hangover.
 
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Not sure on hte nerve, my fingertips would tingle, but I do know that my neck and back is out of whack and a chiro trip will be next week.

Problem is that I used to work out 3-5 times a week in the Dojo and then I took this fucked up job and got put on swing shift...against my wishes.

So I can't get to the dojo to train with others.

So I may have to go during the day just before work...need totay on my Karate.

This pill they gave me, antianxiety/sleeping - love it....:)
 
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Check to see if any local Docs are Osteopathic physicians that do Osteopathic Manipulation. It sounds like it could be a cervical radiculopathy or other somatic disfunction (irritated nerve root or something out of place). Osteopathic Manipulation is similar in some regards to chiropractic work but done by a fully licensed physician. I hope it gets sorted out soon, I know a bad neck is miserable while it lasts.
 
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I spoke with the nurse about that last night - Shiatzu pressure points also - knowing hte power of Karate to use those pressure points for putting someone down, there has to be an equal and opposite use for bringing someone up!


So far today only two spasms, took a hot shower and a few pills and no problems today, but it was supposed to be range day today....sigh
 
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Sounds like torticolis. Google it. I got it after a drunken golf cart stunt. Trigger points,warm soaks and rest= your best friends.
 
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If U were a child and had this after a febrile viral pahayngeal illness I sould be worried about the possibility of a C1-C2 rotatory subluxation easily diagnosed with a CT scan and hinted at via an open mouth odontoid Xray view.

But you are not a child. I think
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andmaybe it is just a stiff neck. If it persists...U need a spine consultation by a specialist.
 
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I broke that collarbone when I was 5 or 6 years old, and because of that tore something in my shoulder a few years ago using a 70lb compound bow.

So maybe it will be worth looking into....

Today is better, warm soak and sleep really helped....
 
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There're those who'll argue and disagree, but do not attempt to do your own "adjustments". Leave that to a) the professionals and b) there's no way you can relax the pertaining muscles to do it properly yourself.

Thirdly, the aspect of doing something wrong is magnificently increased to which you actually can hurt yourself more.

One who I knew, died at way too young of an age, and this is what they wrote as the cause on the death certificate. Improperly Self-Administered Adjustments releasing a Blood Clot into the Bloodstream.

That's what it said, anyways. Whatever the case, he's dead now. At the age of 26.

Heat for 10-15 on, then nothing for 10.
Cold for 10-15 on, then nothing for 10.
Repeat as necessary until deep-tissue massage is tolerable.
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While you're at the doc's, get your calcium level checked.</span> oops, crossed conversations. Wife and I were talking while I was typing here.
 
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I have this exact same thing. It is called getting older. Unfortunately there is only one cure. Death. Sucks but you will find a lot of things will start hurting more. Like Hank says. "Hangovers hurt more than they used to. And cornbread and ice tea's took the place of pills and ninety proof"
 
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I get a cramp in the back of my neck that sounds similar to what you are experiencing. Pain starts at the base of my neck and runs up to the back of my head. It feels like someone plunged their hand in my neck and is just tugging on shit. Lasts for about a minute and is excruciating for about 20-30 seconds of that minute. I said cramp, I actually have no idea what it is, but it feels like a really horrific cramp so that is what I call it.

Also, do/did you have a fever with any of this? If you did, I would take a day off work and get it looked at further.....I don't trust ER's very much.

Hope you get to the bottom of it and get to feeling better.

Kelly
 
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You all should look into picking up some wobenzyme from whole foods or other similar health food store.

I hit a ski jump last year, landed all wrong and tweaked my knee. I took 10 wobenzyme in the am with 16 oz of water on an empty stomach, then ate after 1 hour for 3 weeks. on the saturday of the 4th week I went skiing again.

5 years ago I did the same thing, and it took me 8 months to heal it properly without the wobenzyme.

it may work for your particular neck thing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There're those who'll argue and disagree, but do not attempt to do your own "adjustments". Leave that to a) the professionals and b) there's no way you can relax the pertaining muscles to do it properly yourself.

Thirdly, the aspect of doing something wrong is magnificently increased to which you actually can hurt yourself more.

One who I knew, died at way too young of an age, and this is what they wrote as the cause on the death certificate. Improperly Self-Administered Adjustments releasing a Blood Clot into the Bloodstream.

That's what it said, anyways. Whatever the case, he's dead now. At the age of 26.

Heat for 10-15 on, then nothing for 10.
Cold for 10-15 on, then nothing for 10.
Repeat as necessary until deep-tissue massage is tolerable.

While you're at the doc's, get your calcium level checked. </div></div>

I read about a kid that cut his corotid artery doing it.

Normally I go to teh chiro but a light pop is almost every morning just turning it.


But - where does the calcium come in, too much or too little?
 
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Chances are if U broke your clavicle at 5-6 yo..there would be no XRay evidence today that U ever had a fracture because of the remodeling potential of bone at the fracture site in a child.

The shoulder is probably just ageing stuff, and may be associated with mumerous things like
impingement
rotator cuff pathology (tear, degeneration, inflammation)
SLAP lesions just to cite a few.

Shoulder pain can be referred to the neck and vice versa, but rarely is it such that it would cause that much spasm.
That being said all neck exams should include the shoulder and vice versa.
 
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I had some severe neck issues a few months ago. Pinched nerve in the neck. I go to my chiropractor for a few other issues... When this was bad, I went about 4 times in 1 week, and then I got better. Give that a shot
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shipwreck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had some severe neck issues a few months ago. Pinched nerve in the neck. I go to my chiropractor for a few other issues... When this was bad, I went about 4 times in 1 week, and then I got better. Give that a shot </div></div>

I go to the chiro when I feel my joints are out of place but I cannot even turn the muscle - I would be screaming in pain and probably tear a muscle.

You can't just go to teh chiro on things like this, ice/heat and 3-5 days to relax the muscle, THEN you go to chiro...

And looking back, sleeping on the couch all funky for 2.5hrs, the cold - time on couch was nearing 6 hrs a day....it's all muscular at this point.

Except hte morning it happened it popped an unusual way, probably tore the muscle...(Too much pop).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Find a chirpractor that graduated w/honors from the Palmer school of chiropractic medicine and go see them.. they will help. </div></div>

Tell us why the Palmer school?
Something particular there?
Thanks
 
Re: Ended up in ER last nigght

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 152</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Find a chirpractor that graduated w/honors from the Palmer school of chiropractic medicine and go see them.. they will help. </div></div>

Tell us why the Palmer school?
Something particular there?
Thanks </div></div>

Well because they started it for one.

palmer School of Chiropractic started in Davenport Iowa.

I was a gunea pig there for 3 months in 1985 since my h/s sweethearts mom was a student there, her dad a graduate (With honors).

My current chiropractor graduated from the California Palmer school of Chiro, with honors. (#1 in the 1990's)

I actually DID seek out a Palmer graduate with honors and that's how I came across my current chiro.

My body is my prize posession and I want someone who knows WTF they are doing!!

 
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Well doc said I may have torn the muscle, I'm sore like I did an abundant workout - that spasm worked my neck out pretty good.

I'm able to turn my neck almost as far as before but not quite, another few days...

I've actually slept better lately!! Only because I'm on my back or my side - not my stomach!!

The meds they gave me sure are bad, some anti-anxiety muscle relaxer, only took one - it can CAUSE anxiety when you stop taking it, my body must be sensitive.
As for the vicodin, no point in taking that, seems to be the same as Tylenol 3 but tylenol does nothing for me.

I took 2 motrins this morning, 6 yesterday total...so I think today was the good day.

did a super super light stretch on it today, helped immensely
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I'm almost ready to go to the range! (For handguns, not quite for rifles)
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who's a doc here?
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UKDSlayer. She's very helpful and knowledgeable.

I was hit by a drunk 13yrs ago and now I get the same thing you have every-once in a while and I just take ibuprofen and T3s and suffer for a few days. Mine shoots up into the base of my skull and makes my vision blur/narrow with the pain. I find that cracking my neck when it gets stiff throughout the day seems to prevent it but one night of sleeping wrong and I'll be out of commission for days.</div></div>

Thanks for the complement but in this territory fx77 is the expert and my expertise and advice here in neck & back is as the patient, not a doc.

I personally had some not-so-great experience with chiro-s after a neck injury, that was my experience and I'll leave it at that. 95+% of acute musculoskeletal injuries will resolve in a few weeks at most months; although there is a possibility you may have a herniated disc/bulge, imaging this early is discouraged unless there are neurological symptoms (tingling or weakness in arms & hands). I had a herniated disc at C7 treated conservatively (thank God) with deep tissue massage, heat, NSAIDs, muscle relaxers & PT, and some facet blocks (injectiosn with steroids). Took patience, but the way to go. If pain is at a 9/10 following an acute event, the generic algorithm in absence of neurological symptoms is: NSAIDs (motrin, aleve, Mobic etc.), a muscle relaxer, a short-term pain medication, and PT (physcial therapy); the good ones educate you on how to do your PT at home without making you come in just for them to watch you do your exercises 3x/week. (Accupuncture beneficial to some too). There are much better muscle relaxers than benzodiazepines, most physical med & rehab or pain docs really discourage use of benzo's as relaxers. The reason you were given Vicodin is simple: if you don't treat that 9/10 pain quickly and it persists, you can develop a chronic pain nerve pathway - a horrible difficult-to-treat pain that persists even after the original cause of the pain or pathology has resolved. For most, this is only needed for a few days if that, but because the long-term consequences of a chronic pain pathway are so severe, just about any ER or primary care doc will prescribe some pain medicine, again short term,in this setting for this reason. (For you military guys, this is actually why some medics are allowed to have controlled substances in theatre; some of the best research in pain management unfortunately came out of recent combat medicine.) Very, very important to do the right physical therapy, and continue it to strengthen those affected muscles (especially given martial art hobby). There are actually some very good you-tube videos on how to do PT exercises for your neck, but its best to utilize these only AFTER you have seen a doc and been told what your problem likely is. Your progress mentioned above is typical for an acute musculoskeletal event; if that pain recurs - don't do that and see a doc with knowledge in the field.

Please take those Motrin with food - bleeding gastritis can sneak up on you suddenly and a shocking number of people die every year from GI bleeding from OTC NSAIDS. Stop immediately if any stomach discomfort or blackened stool occur.

I still get spasms (knots) along my trapezius/upper back muscles now & then, found that placing very heavy pressure on the knot with slight roll over it using a tennis ball in a sock against a wall is very useful to break up those knots (deep breathe and yes its hurts) gets those knots out in a day or two, just drink lots of water after to get rid of the lactic acid.
 
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UK - Thanks - Ya know what's funny is that this has actually STOPPED some issues I had with my fingers tingling in cold weather -

I know hte muscle in my shoulder is trashed from softball, typing, bow shooting - right shoulder tenses up, karate actually HELPED but I haven't been in the dojo in 6 months due to work scheduling...

Good call on the Motrin - father in law is going through this now and stomach pain and no more milk for me LOL


Funny thing is - I've alwyas known that one should sleep a couple hours on the right side - good for the gallbladder, been doing that and no pain or discomfort anymore...we won't go there tho, think I cleared some gallstones (NOt to mention I've been eating a shit ton of apples lately)...

Anyway thanks - neck is improving, sleeping on a curved pillow has helped immensely...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well doc said I may have torn the muscle, I'm sore like I did an abundant workout - that spasm worked my neck out pretty good.

I'm able to turn my neck almost as far as before but not quite, another few days...

I've actually slept better lately!! Only because I'm on my back or my side - not my stomach!!

The meds they gave me sure are bad, some anti-anxiety muscle relaxer, only took one - it can CAUSE anxiety when you stop taking it, my body must be sensitive.
As for the vicodin, no point in taking that, seems to be the same as Tylenol 3 but tylenol does nothing for me.

I took 2 motrins this morning, 6 yesterday total...so I think today was the good day.

did a super super light stretch on it today, helped immensely
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I'm almost ready to go to the range! (For handguns, not quite for rifles)
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Hope ya keep getting better!