Enemy Yesterday, Friend Today, Enemy or Friend Tomorrow?

[THEIS]

Hi,

Right over 100 Million USD headed to Lebanon Army via Military Assistance program.

Trump administration approves over $100M for Lebanon military

The aid is intended to help counter Iran’s influence in Lebanon, which is highlighted by the presence of the Iranian-supported Shiite Hezbollah movement in the government and the group’s militias.

www.defensenews.com

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Yay. Fuck.

 

[308pirate]

@THEIS when will we ever learn?

 

[2ndamendfan]

@THEIS when will we ever learn?

Obviously never.

 

[RyanScott]

When was the LAF the enemy? It’s Christian dominated and fights Islamic militias regularly.

 

[Alphatreedog]

When was the LAF the enemy? It’s Christian dominated and fights Islamic militias regularly.

I am not up to speed on all the players in Lebanon and man I hope you're right and they're legit .

 

[THEIS]

When was the LAF the enemy? It’s Christian dominated and fights Islamic militias regularly.

Hi,

Close...but latest numbers from DIA is that 61% of Lebanon population is Sunni and Shia while 35% are Christian with remaining balance of various religions including Druze.

The Lebanon Government is also listed as "very corrupt" by numerous outside monitoring agencies including the following:
Transparency International
US DOS (Hence reason this exact aide money was held up for so long)
U4 Anti-Corruption resource center
World economic forum
Bertelsmann Foundation

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[RyanScott]

And?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

 

[Precisiondada]

The Lebanon Government is also listed as "very corrupt" by numerous outside monitoring agencies including the following:
Transparency International
US DOS (Hence reason this exact aide money was held up for so long)
U4 Anti-Corruption resource center
World economic forum
Bertelsmann Foundation

Sincerely,
Theis

What do they list the US Gov as? ?

 

[Geno C.]

And?

And,
if you can’t pick up what he’s laying down, you might have a little mental retardation.

 

[RyanScott]

He’s laying down the wrong things. The LAF is a Christian dominated element of a multicultural society. They aren’t the ones to worry about.

 

[MtnCreek]

He’s laying down the wrong things. The LAF is a Christian dominated element of a multicultural society. They aren’t the ones to worry about.

Well then write them a check fucktwit.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Why the fuck am I as a taxpayer funding this? Fuck funding Israel, too. Let em poke each other's eyes out with sticks.

 

[2ndamendfan]

When was the LAF the enemy? It’s Christian dominated and fights Islamic militias regularly.

And?

He’s laying down the wrong things. The LAF is a Christian dominated element of a multicultural society. They aren’t the ones to worry about.

I don't give a rat's ass who you claim is "on our side".
Apparently no one in Congress remembers this.

1983 Beirut barracks bombings - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Lebanon and everything south to south Africa, west to Gibraltar and east to the Pacific Ocean can Fuck off. North a 1000 miles or so for good measure also.

 

[RyanScott]

That’s Hezballah, which is in reality a part of the Iranian armed forces.

 

[SilentStalkr]

It’s all part of the game!

 

[Rthur]

Boogiemen need funding...

R

 

[XLR308]

Just drop $100 million dollars worth of bombs on thier backwards asses since that would be money better spent with actual results.
Or stay the fuck out of thier business until we should be dropping bombs on them.

 

[MadDuner]

Giving any of those countries any money at all always ends up arming terrorists.

It’s a BAD idea!

 

[acudaowner]

i could not be positive on this but mostly I think the us pays Israel not to fuck up every country in the middle east they are tiny but mean as hell . In 5 days they took out the air forces of 5 of those countries imagine what they could have done in a month . No isis no iran no terrorist left gone in 60 days .

 

[camotoe]

 

[RyanScott]

i could not be positive on this but mostly I think the us pays Israel not to fuck up every country in the middle east they are tiny but mean as hell . In 5 days they took out the air forces of 5 of those countries imagine what they could have done in a month . No isis no iran no terrorist left gone in 60 days .

The IDF is basically a special olympics gold medalist.

 

[MtnCreek]

@RyanScott so we need to pay the lebanese, because Israel ran out of our money, so they'll not take our money from the Iranians for the benefit of the people that take advantage of us to the detriment of people that hate the guy that ran out of our money?

BTW, you argue for the sake of it like a soap opera watching bitch.

 

[RyanScott]

No, you made a list of things I didn’t say.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

We need to trade some beef to Canada in exchange for some of their women. That's an international agenda I can get behind. Fuck them other bullshit countries.

 

[Rthur]

R

 

[THEIS]

He’s laying down the wrong things. The LAF is a Christian dominated element of a multicultural society. They aren’t the ones to worry about.

Hi,

Did you take "common core" statistics or what???

Please lay out the detailed logic on how a country that is majority x religion can have a military that is majority z religion.
Especially since up until around 8 years ago or something like that..Military service was a requirement.

But lets not just focus on the religion aspect but the proven and tracked aspect of how corrupt the Lebanese "overseeing" committee is in regards to this EXACT financial aide package.....

The Co-Chair of the committee was escorted from KASOTC in 2018 where the Lebanon Black Panther Team took first place of the International Warrior Competition because he was caught sending information to a country that Jordan and damn near the rest of the world have placed on embargo list.

The Brigadier General of the LAF that wrote the aide submission package is under investigation for "loosing" entire aircraft that was provided in another aide package from France.

BUT I guess your assumed percentages over-ride such nonsense of above.....Go read the Federal register on why this aide package was approved, held for further investigation, denied, re-approved, delayed, then processed. Then get back with me.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[RyanScott]

The objection to the aid package I’ve not come out in support of has changed here from terrorism to corruption? Interesting.

Don’t confuse the demographics of the country or even of the enlisted for who dominates the military. The brass is Maronite Christian primarily and traditionally has been.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

The objection to the aid package I’ve not come out in support of has changed here from terrorism to corruption? Interesting.

Don’t confuse the demographics of the country or even of the enlisted for who dominates the military. The brass is Maronite Christian primarily and traditionally has been.

You're missing the overarching theme of it not being our fruitless fucking problem from two or three different directions, yes.

 

[RyanScott]

That’s what you want the theme to be, yes. I didn’t comment on that. I commented on the OPs assertion that at some point the LAF was our enemy. I’d be curious to see his source for that claim.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

My source is DIRECT...as in living there 3 years for the USA Government dealing with these exact type of aide packages and FMS for MENA region as a whole!
I know exactly where the missing France aircraft are at and it is not a country that should have them.

Please advise as to what area of Lebanon you have lived in (or visited lol), what Government entity you have worked in, etc; that deals exactly with FMS and Foreign Aide packages.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Mess with the bull...get the horns.

 

[_Windrider_]

I object to all foreign aide. We should make the Middle East the worlds largest glass factory.

 

[RyanScott]

So you’ve lived there and still didn’t know that the LAF isn’t the enemy. That’s embarrassing.

I’ll get to Lebanon eventually. I have friends there and family from Syria.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

You have lost the debate. Press start to begin a new game.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

LOLOLOLOL so you are essentially clueless and speaking in "I heard of and I think so" theory? Got it..Check....That's Embarrassing!!

How much higher do we need than a Brigadier General running aide submissions that is proven corrupt...O and by the way....he is not Christian as you say the "dominating" higher-ups are, lololol.

Speaking of Syria, lol...Care to guess (as that is all you can do) where the Steyr BMG rifles that were found in Syria a few years ago come from? You know the international arms incident that caused the Austria and USA Government to open investigations on Steyr themselves.....

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[RyanScott]

People around here are unusually stupid. Theis isn’t, I respect him. However you aren’t able to separate my insistence that the LAF isn’t the enemy from comments about the desirability or providing military aid. I haven’t commented on the latter but will now. I’m sure Theis is right about corruption and I struggle to see where this is a good investment. But if he thinks the LAF is the enemy he should provide evidence or at very least claim outright that they do, have or will bear arms against the United States.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

But is it not the same whether they bear arms directly against the USA or supply another country that would??

That is the key question that Congress and DDTC must investigate for every FMS and Military Aide package.
Corruption scores are just as important as Terrorism scores....

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[RyanScott]

Hi,

LOLOLOLOL so you are essentially clueless and speaking in "I heard of and I think so" theory? Got it..Check....That's Embarrassing!!

How much higher do we need than a Brigadier General running aide submissions that is proven corrupt...O and by the way....he is not Christian as you say the "dominating" higher-ups are, lololol.

Speaking of Syria, lol...Care to guess (as that is all you can do) where the Steyr BMG rifles that were found in Syria a few years ago come from? You know the international arms incident that caused the Austria and USA Government to open investigations on Steyr themselves.....

Sincerely,
Theis

I take no objection to your statements about corruption and have said I fail to see why this makes sense for us. All I have objected to is the accusation that the LAF is the enemy. You’ve made no attempt to follow that up.

The Mexican military is not our enemy despite corruption and diversion of military material to terrorists. Correct?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Hi,

Right over 100 Million USD headed to Lebanon Army via Military Assistance program.

Sincerely,
Theis

So the question is how long before the Israelis are using some of the defense budget we give them each year to blow up the stuff we just gave the Lebanese?

Seems like there will be a good possibility our illustrious military industrial complex will have been paid (by the taxpayers) for stuff used on both sides of the next little tiff over there.

Seems to happen regularly for some reason, somebody does something and next thing you know Beirut is getting "urban renewal with complementary blight removal" done.

 

[RyanScott]

Israel is another country I have reservations about arming, but again, not an enemy.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

So by your logic $100m is ok to give away to people with a heritage of undermining our country and allies, as long as they don't actually shoot somebody who is literally an American?

 

[RyanScott]

Also not something I said.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Then what is the fulcrum of your argument which elicits otherwise? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth or be socratic, I genuinely don't understand what hill you are defending by cultivating a general benefit of the doubt mentality.

 

[RyanScott]

There’s no basis to call the LAF an enemy. That’s all I’ve been saying really.

 

[THEIS]

The Mexican military is not our enemy despite corruption and diversion of military material to terrorists. Correct?

Hi,

Well actually I would say they are a far worse enemy than the MENA region right now. They are DIRECTLY affecting how our local towns operate, the are affecting directly how/what our Politicians think they can get away with, they are directly affecting the sovereign safety of the USA and its' citizens.

No military aide should be provided to Mexico until they stop assisting illegal border crossings.

Direct from CBP.....What has been determined aka proven to be Mexican Federal Agents providing escort service for a woman and her child to cross the border. (Federal Police or Military makes no difference).



Sincerely,
Theis