escape from kalifornia?

[jeffersonv]

All,

I am corresponding with a company in northern TX in the Wichata Falls (tornado alley?) area about a job there.

I've never been there and would want to visit before I finalize anything.

Questions for those who know:
Are there rifle ranges in the area that I can shoot LR?
I think there are deer, hogs, coyote, etc. in the area right?
Maybe not?
How do you hunt the area? Do you need to get landowner permission every time?
Here in CA you can find National Forest, BLM, etc. but the hunting is tough.
Anything else I might like to know?

Thanks,

Jeff

P.S. You don't have to worry about me bringing CA ideas to TX if this goes through.

 

[USMCj]

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Will you take me with you? Ill do all of your reloading and load workup for you!!!

 

[Michael]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

W Falls is a pretty barren landscape.
Badlands is near by ( relative term )
Hunting in Tx is by lease system, nearly all land is privately owned and hunting leases are a very good revenue source for land owners.
Ask for a bunch of money for salary, you'll burn most of that in fuel getting to nicer places to recreate.

And for sure plan a visit before you commit.

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Get ready for a serious weather change between Hemet and Wichata Falls.

 

[jeffersonv]

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Well I'm not moving yet. Need to check it out first.
I'm aware the weather will be different, among other things.

Doesn't sound too good so far.
I was afraid of the pay to hunt routine.
Anyone know where to shoot around there?

 

[slg888]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

I imagine any place for hunting/shooting would be an upgrade from California.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Night poacher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I imagine any place for hunting/shooting would be an upgrade from California. </div></div>

Yeah, or maybe not. I'm 45mins away from a 1,000yrd public range, 25mins away from a 600yard with sporting clays and hand gun bays. about an hour's drive from being able to pheasant, duck and wild boar hunt - and I'm in LA.

Nowhere is perfect, and there's plenty here that bugs me as well, but quit with all this 'ow it's sooo awful being here' nonsense. I wonder if half the whiners have ever even lived here.

As for you not taking any California ideas with you - hmm, you mean innovation, entrepreneurship, year-round outdoor living? Fine, leave it behind. You'll find that there's no such thing as Paradise.

 

[SigSense]

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I went there on military duty in the early 80's (Sheppard AFB), and the town was small. I think the air base was their main source of income. Lots of young USAF troops there for training. Hopefully it has changed for you....

 

[300WSM]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

get out while you can!

 

[300WSM]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

don't move to IL or NY MA etc either lol

 

[jeffersonv]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

EH,

I'm glad you like it here and I wouldn't want to change that.
To each his own.

You may not be aware, but other states are growing weary of californians moving to their states, getting elected to local governments, and trying to implement the same leftist policies they just left. Some of these ideas are not so innovative to some.

Thanks for your input.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">EH,

I'm glad you like it here and I wouldn't want to change that.
To each his own.

You may not be aware, but other states are growing weary of californians moving to their states, getting elected to local governments, and trying to implement the same leftist policies they just left. Some of these ideas are not so innovative to some.

Thanks for your input. </div></div>

Does this even stand up to a quick analysis? Are you saying that californians are moving <span style="font-weight: bold">en masse</span> to different states and as a group changing the politics of those states? Like some invading army? Seriously?

Please show me - with facts, not rantings on a forum by other members - where this is accurate, where there is a pattern behind this behaviour.

Why is this such a big deal to me?

It's lazy, unresearched, second-hand thinking and blind acceptance of unfounded notions that will continue to lead us to making bad decisions based on bad data about what needs to be done. I would much rather know what is wrong and why before saying how it should be fixed.

If people are voting more and more for leftist politicians then we should give some serious analysis as to why, just saying 'it's all them Cali assholes' is just stupid. It used to be that the Conservative mind was a critical mind, where the truth was the objective to attain and then preserve against fads and fancy. Now it seems to be taken over by megalomanic TV and radio personalities and anti-intellectual, populist politicians who don't even know the job descriptions of the office they're seeking election to (read: Sarah Palin).

There is nothing wrong in Cali that isn't wrong elsewhere. What's going on is a national crisis, not a state localized one.

Either way, all the best to you.

 

[khronoscide]

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The exodus is payback. California was a great place, then boatloads of people moved there from somewhere else to seek their fame and fortune and many brought their politics there from somewhere else. EH has some good points "You'll find that there's no such thing as Paradise".

For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_plan

 

[Maser]

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The weather here in CA has been pretty awsome so far this month except for a bit of wind.

 

[Michael]

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Robinhood was a very expensive proposition for those of us living here and owning property. I should say leasing property, because in Texas you don't own property as an individual, you lease it via taxation paid to the ISD, Independent School District.
Seems the State, County, and municipality can take property via emminent domain under increasingly limited circumstances or place levies on your property for non-payment of taxes which would be settled when you sell, or pass on and your will is probated, but the school districts can and will take possession for non-payment.

 

[Sespe]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">EH,

I'm glad you like it here and I wouldn't want to change that.
To each his own.

You may not be aware, but other states are growing weary of californians moving to their states, getting elected to local governments, and trying to implement the same leftist policies they just left. Some of these ideas are not so innovative to some.

Thanks for your input. </div></div>

Does this even stand up to a quick analysis? Are you saying that californians are moving <span style="font-weight: bold">en masse</span> to different states and as a group changing the politics of those states? Like some invading army? Seriously?

Please show me - with facts, not rantings on a forum by other members - where this is accurate, where there is a pattern behind this behaviour.

Why is this such a big deal to me?

<span style="font-weight: bold">It's lazy, unresearched, second-hand thinking and blind acceptance of unfounded notions that will continue to lead us to making bad decisions based on bad data about what needs to be done. </span><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I would much rather know what is wrong and why before saying how it should be fixed.</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">If people are voting more and more for leftist politicians then we should give some serious analysis as to <span style="font-size: 14pt">why</span></span>, just saying 'it's all them Cali assholes' is just stupid. It used to be that the Conservative mind was a critical mind, where the truth was the objective to attain and then preserve against fads and fancy. Now it seems to be taken over by megalomanic TV and radio personalities and anti-intellectual, populist politicians who don't even know the job descriptions of the office they're seeking election to (read: Sarah Palin).

<span style="font-weight: bold">There is nothing wrong in Cali that isn't wrong elsewhere.</span> What's going on is a national crisis, not a state localized one.

Either way, all the best to you. </div></div>

Wow. Amen, Brother.

 

[Thorax]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Hrmm, sounds like some poor quality Californians have exactly what people in other states term as "that Californian attitude".

Guess what ?
I'm in Seal Beach California typing this...lived here a large portion of my life....but thankfully not all of my life has been in such a imprisoned enviroment.

Yes, californians HAVE exited en masse, and continue to do so.
The housing boom of the 80's and 90's made many a false millionaire (as if that means much in todays society) that went elsewheres to exploit that money.

There are MILLIONS of things that California has going against it that are not prevelant in other states.
1 - OVER POPULATION (duh!)
2 - Traffic (duh!)
3 - Cops that have no clue what justice means, or the word "legal" for that matter
4 - ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! (not like every state in the country isn't getting a fair ass load of those.
5 - Over priced housing, and utilities, and FUEL (yes gas is cheaper in almost every other state)
6 - anal retentive enviromental laws (getting water in the street side gutter is against the law in most beach areas (WTF!! don't they know rain does that ?))

I could go on all day.

Moral of this story ?
Escape while you can.

 

[HotIce]

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You forgot over-taxation and silly gun laws

 

[Thorax]

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Heh...I did mention that I could go on all day, that should cover my missed bases.

:þ

 

[khronoscide]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Maybe you should leave then.

 

[427Cobra]

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While WF may not be the best or worst place to live in TEXAS, it's gotta be better than Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, we have no state income tax, very nice gun laws, and I think a pretty good criminal justice system, your with in driving range of TacPro and BadLands, TigerValley will be a 4-5 hour drive, and Rifles Only is a day drive, if you want a suppressor you can have, hicap mags no problem, conceal handgun liscene, 50cals, machine guns, SBR are all GTG, the downside is the weather, it gets hot and cold in WF, property taxes are higher, car insurance is higher, but a nice 2k square foot house is affordable, TEXAS is not perfect, no place is, but for a gun owner it's night and day better, take the job here.

 

[Nomad Farrier]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

AMEN Thorax! I live in Oregon (born and raised) but I work in Commifornia. So Ive seen the mass exodus out of Commifornia to other states (Oregon, Arizona, Idaho, Washington, Montana), should I go on? I cant even carry my pistol with me over statelines, (its illegal in Commifornia). My CCW isnt recognized in Commifornia. Just ask anyone native to the states mentioned above about what Commifornians have done to there state? You will get the same answer over and over. So whoever the dude above that went on the rant about how great Commifornia is I think that that is great! Why? Because you are one less Commifornian that will INFEST other states with your attitude and ideas- Just sayin

 

[Nomad Farrier]

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P.S. -please stay in L.A. it sounds like that is a perfect place for you-

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oregon Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AMEN Thorax! I live in Oregon (born and raised) but I work in Commifornia. So Ive seen the mass exodus out of Commifornia to other states (Oregon, Arizona, Idaho, Washington, Montana), should I go on? I cant even carry my pistol with me over statelines, (its illegal in Commifornia). My CCW isnt recognized in Commifornia. Just ask anyone native to the states mentioned above about what Commifornians have done to there state? You will get the same answer over and over. So whoever the dude above that went on the rant about how great Commifornia is I think that that is great! Why? Because you are one less Commifornian that will INFEST other states with your attitude and ideas- Just sayin </div></div>

I didn't go on about how great it is. I stated nowhere is paradise.

I notice whilst you hate California you're not above taking a job there. Biting the hand that feeds you makes you a hypocrite.

Instead of bithching why not try and help out your fellow gun owners in CA to change the laws. Making one State more gun friendly helps all of us. Whinig and saying 'get out while you can' is just giving up.

 

[Thorax]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

How does that old proverb go......?

Winners never quit
Quitters never win
If you never win and never quit you are a fool

Something like that.

 

[USMCj]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

I love California, the weather alone is enough to keep me here because I love shooting and riding my bike. But the stupid people and gun laws are also enough to make me forget about the good weather and get the fuck out of here. Lets face it, no matter how much gun laws change gere, they be as good as other free states, they will always find a way to screw us one way or another. Have I lost all faith in this state? no, but I dont have high hopes either.

If you took Arizona laws and California weather, you would have a perfect place to live in my book. But a place like that doesnt exist and I have to settle.

 

[300WSM]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

always nevada lake tahoe is nice

 

[Nomad Farrier]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

EventHorizon,

Im not a Hypocrite, The Definition of that word and the usage is in the dictionary. You may want to get one from out of the state of Commifornia though because I believe they have their own dictionary. As for me working Commifornia, Im not stupid and will go where the money is at. What is stupid though is the amount of money I make while working in Commifornia, it is a fake economy with a fouled up set of laws and law makers. I would love to help change some of its laws but unfortunatley that is left up to people who are residents of Commifornia like yourself. That being said if you would spend a bit more of your time bitching to your State Legislators and Represenatives and less time on the Hide, we "Hypocrites" may have a better Commifornia to look at and judge from the "outside" looking in. Just sayin though-

 

[khronoscide]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

OS, you sound like you need to relax. I didn't think Oregonians were wound so tight

Having been born and raised in California before moving to Texas for a career opportunity 10 years ago, I watched the farm land, the endless orange groves the dairies and all the open land disappear as people from all over the country flocked to California for opportunity. Yes even 30-40 years ago, folks from places like Oregon were complaining about Californians moving there and ruining things, all while they lived and worked in California’s "fake economy". In my neck of the woods it was that fake aerospace industry. After all, much of California is made up of people who originally ditched their home state and I could argue if those people stayed away, California might be a better place. There are plenty of good folks on this site that live there still and I'm sure are trying to change things, and you probably shouldn't assume they are not or don't want to. It’s just a little harder to do when you have over 10 times the population of Oregon. BTW, I've been running into a bunch of folks from Oregon lately that have moved to Texas. What’s up with that?

To the OP, the best thing to do is visit Wichita Falls and see for yourself. Sometimes the grass is greener, sometimes not.

 

[HotIce]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

That CA has problem retaining people, is proven by the fact that the Governator and a bunch of random celebs, have to advertise in TV to convince folks to come and live there.
Never seen an ad for Oregon, and I've been living here in the last ten years.
The company I work for, used to have its main site in CA (Silly Valley), and now they have been moved to TX, for tax and general costs reasons.
Unfortunately many of the good jobs related to my profession are in/around Silly Valley, but the fact that the cost-of-living multiplier WRT to PDX is about 1.35, alone, makes moving to CA a pretty tough choice.
That, and the list. The list of all the firearms I'd have to sell if I'd have to move there (on top of the existing and new gun laws - like the new pearl about ammo purchases coming out next year).
The weather is nice though, I'll give you that

 

[khronoscide]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Yes lots of those silly valley jobs have moved here for the reasons you mentioned. The bad part is, it is driving the cost of living up here as well via property taxes. As Michael brought up, the Robin Hood act is very expensive for homeowners especially if you live in a so called property rich area. As those jobs have flowed in, property values have gone up (mine has gone up over 70% in 5 years) and my tax bill, most of which goes to send other peoples kids (I don't have any) to school in lower income areas throughout the state have skyrocketed. One would call it socialistic. I think the root problem with anywhere you live begins with too many people crammed into too small an area. BTW, I'm not knocking Oregon. Beautiful state and most of the folks I've met from there have been really nice. And I won't argue, California has its fair share of douchebags. But you'll meet those types of folks everywhere you go.

 

[blazinpixels]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

I left Commifornia exactly two years ago this May. I admit the way of living is way different and instant gratifaction isnt here in the midwest.

But one thing is for sure. Good bars, Good people and All the manual labor you can handle. There is a reason why in the midwest there are rarely any homeless... Thats due to the fact there is always something to be done.

I am a seasonal farmhand and its the best job ever!

Being young I did have to accept the fact that hot chicks are not a dime a dozen and the ones that are here are intelligent.

So having bimbos is out of the question.

Learning to be humble is what I learned coming out here.

 

[The Mechanic]

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Census bureau says 140,000 net loss exodus from California. I know that these aerospace companies have left. Convair, Rohr, General Dynamics and all the companies that supplied them. Local to my town is Buck Knives. They were going to save something like $100K per year on electricity alone.

It is not simply people that are moving out of California it is the businesses that are moving and taking the workers that have nothing to do but move to a more job friendly area. The money is leaving and it is not being replaced. I see California going bankrupt.

I love my area. It is pretty conservative, all of my family lives here, I love the weather, and I love that in one day can go from the beach, to the mountains, and to the desert. The gun laws absolutely suck ass. As previously stated if there was a place like Southern California that had Arizona laws and regs I would move in a second.

 

[khronoscide]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

My old place,Northrop Grumman is moving out as well. But of all places, DC. Guess they want to be closer to the contract signers. Agreed, California with AZ gun laws (and 1/3 the population) would be great. I figure when I retire, I'll relocate my guns to my place in Havasu, get a bugalow on the beach in Cali after everyone moves away and fly my airplane back and forth to avoid the traffic.

 

[BugSniper]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does this even stand up to a quick analysis? Are you saying that californians are moving <span style="font-weight: bold">en masse</span> to different states and as a group changing the politics of those states? Like some invading army? Seriously?
</div></div>

Yes it stands up. And Yes, talk to Montana, Virginia, and others.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is nothing wrong in Cali that isn't wrong elsewhere. What's going on is a national crisis, not a state localized one.
</div></div>

No, no, see you are looking at it wrong. There is everything wrong with california becoming more and more of a problem everywhere else, being led by transplanted Californian "innovators and entrepreneurs". In the race to hell, California is on the fast track, worse off than pretty much everyone else. It would be stupid to say policy has no role in failing to profit off of some of the best land in the USA, with a great climate to attract snobs of all talents. Now, with those policies making Ca no longer so atttractive, the people that suffered leave. Some leaving are those that bought into the ideals that tanked the state. We don't want you here or in most of the other 49 states, sorry. And we're tired of your commercials asking us to move back (oh if you knew how much your gov spends on commercials).

The worst? Try being one of the pioneering refugees, finding a nice place, and then being followed by the later hordes of locusts that turn your little haven into Cali-lite.

Screw living there. Been there done that. Screw you leaving if you think other states should act more like Ca. Please stay where you agree with the neighbors, and stink up your own basin, cool?

 

[USMCj]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

The closest place that has Kalifornia lifestyle and Arizona gun laws is Vegas. Once you make peace with that fact that you are in the desert, it isnt so bad. At least it isnt boring like Arizona. If the economy hadnt died, my wife and I were ready for the move. But finding a well paying job in Vegas right now is next to impossible. So many casino personell have been laid off that no one feels safe in at their job. If and when the economy picks up again, I think Vegas is where Ill move to, close enough to LA so I can visit family with just a 3.5hour drive on the weekends.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does this even stand up to a quick analysis? Are you saying that californians are moving <span style="font-weight: bold">en masse</span> to different states and as a group changing the politics of those states? Like some invading army? Seriously?
</div></div>

Yes it stands up. And Yes, talk to Montana, Virginia, and others.</div></div>

I see, so you're not going to offend your argument by lumbering it with any facts. Do you have a phone number perhaps for Montana? Do I just ask for Montana?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is nothing wrong in Cali that isn't wrong elsewhere. What's going on is a national crisis, not a state localized one.</div></div>


No, no, see you are looking at it wrong. There is everything wrong with california becoming more and more of a problem everywhere else, being led by transplanted Californian "innovators and entrepreneurs". </div></div>

I see you're still bravely avoiding giving me a single fact. How many transplants are we talking about? To which States? Do you know how these transplants are voting when they get in these states? Or are you perhaps just talking and saying nothing?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the race to hell, California is on the fast track, worse off than pretty much everyone else. It would be stupid to say policy has no role in failing to profit off of some of the best land in the USA, with a great climate to attract snobs of all talents. Now, with those policies making Ca no longer so atttractive, the people that suffered leave. </div></div>

Yes, I agree. CA has serious issues that need dealing with.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">some leaving are those that bought into the ideals that tanked the state. </div></div>

Back to you not quoting any facts again. Bravo! How do YOU know how these people vote? Do they ALL vote the same? If so, how do YOU know?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We don't want you here or in most of the other 49 states, sorry. And we're tired of your commercials asking us to move back (oh if you knew how much your gov spends on commercials).</div></div>

When you say 'we' do you purport to speak for the rest of the 49 States? I'm sorry, I had no idea there was such a spokesman as you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The worst? Try being one of the pioneering refugees, finding a nice place, and then being followed by the later hordes of locusts that turn your little haven into Cali-lite. </div></div>

I am a pioneering refugee. Doing great thanks here in CA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BugSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Screw living there. Been there done that. Screw you leaving if you think other states should act more like Ca. Please stay where you agree with the neighbors, and stink up your own basin, cool?
</div></div>

I never said I wanted to leave. But I see that it's OK for you to leave but not others. 'Cos you're cool and that right? Actually I was fixing to leave CA earlier this year, for reasons that others have said. The cost of living is high, the taxes are high, the schools are usually crap, the traffic is a killer. But, the fact is, I'm grateful I didn't. I'm grateful for a chance to be here and to try and get things fixed because if it can be fixed then there won't be a better place to live. Risk? Yes it is.

On a more adult level this again is the problem. Opinions and arguments based on NOT ONE BIT OF FACT. I'm sure there's plenty of anecdotes, there always are, but not one bit of fact and that is the real threat to us ALL. Thinking without real information. Just accepting second hand opinions as the truth.

If one's interest lies beyond their own back-yard then the real issue is this - if we can fix CA and get it back on track then we can fix the country, repeal the anti-Constitional laws (ALL of them, not just the gun related ones) and get the idiots in both parties to act for what's good for the country, not just their corporate lobbyists and campaign contributors.

Just sayin...

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Here is the link to the census figure showing a net loss of domestic migration from the state of California in a CSV file from the census web site. It clearly showed the domestic migration from California at 1,509,708 that is a butt load of people. Texas and Florida showing a huge migration to those two states in the numbers of 800,000 and 1.1 mil respectively.

http://www.census.gov/popest/states/tables/NST-EST2009-04.xls

from census web site
http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-comp-chg.html

Current unemployment figures for California.
13%
Link to info
unemployment link for unemployment rate from google

bureau of labor statistics
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/mstrtcr2.pdf
bureau of labor statistics showing unemployment at its highest in the history of statistics being taken starting in 1976.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/lauhsthl.htm

EH Like I said I do love my little slice of heaven but California IS on the verge of a complete and total collapse and the statistics show that out.

 

[Lindy]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

A guy at a company I worked for said once, "You know, this place is becoming the last refuge for the aged, the infirm, and the incompetent."

California same-same.

 

[jeffersonv]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

EventHorizon,

Are taped conversations what you want?
Well I don't have taped conversations, but I have heard for years from real people in other states that what I described is a common practice for relocating California libs.
I talk to guys from all over the country everyday at my job. It seems fairly often the topic comes up when I mention I would like to move out of Cal.
Sorry if you have a problem with that.

Thanks to the rest for the advice.
If negotiations get far enough I do plan on visiting the area first.

 

[khronoscide]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

What's interesting is people flocking to Florida whose unemployment rate is 12%. Wonder how that is going to play out.

Looking at tables (few years old but the most recent):

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/topic/92.html

Seems you folks in California were one of the states getting hosed while others benefitted.

jefferson, definitly check it out. That particular area of TX wouldn't be on the top of my list as desired places to live, but you might like it just fine and that is what's important.

 

[jeffersonv]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

427cobra,

Thanks for the tips on TacPro and Badlands. Those ranges look within easy reach of WF.
I appreciate your other good advice as well.

The thing that gripes me most about living in Cal is these constitution hating politicians think they can blatantly infringe on my 2nd amendment rights and think I just have to take it while I pay them huge taxes.

I'm about done with that, God willing.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

I grew up in PA. I moved to CA because I was transfered for my job. I am being transfered to TX and this July 1st I should be all moved in. CA was a culture shock for me when I got here and I for one will be happy to leave. CA weather is great. I live 3 1/2 blocks from the water, so the weather is awesome. However, the anti gun owner laws here are stupid. One major plus is when I move to TX I will receive a 9.3% increase in income because that's what I will be saving in paying state taxes. I plan to use that money and purchase a piece of land in a few years for hunting. I will be proud to be a Texan. Maybe not a native Texan, but a Texan.

Jamie

 

[khronoscide]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">427cobra,

Thanks for the tips on TacPro and Badlands. Those ranges look within easy reach of WF.
I appreciate your other good advice as well.

The thing that gripes me most about living in Cal is these constitution hating politicians think they can blatantly infringe on my 2nd amendment rights and think I just have to take it while I pay them huge taxes.

I'm about done with that, God willing.
</div></div>

I know it's cliche, but it really is people like you who need to fight to change that. You are obviously not alone, and it is an uphill battle, but I know like minded Californians are getting more and more sick of the status quo. Look at the political history up to the early 90's. It has changed before, and it can change again if the right people would not keep running away. There just has to be a will.

beckjamie, where you moving to in TX?

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: khronoscide</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">427cobra,

Thanks for the tips on TacPro and Badlands. Those ranges look within easy reach of WF.
I appreciate your other good advice as well.

The thing that gripes me most about living in Cal is these constitution hating politicians think they can blatantly infringe on my 2nd amendment rights and think I just have to take it while I pay them huge taxes.

I'm about done with that, God willing.
</div></div>

I know it's cliche, but it really is people like you who need to fight to change that. You are obviously not alone, and it is an uphill battle, but I know like minded Californians are getting more and more sick of the status quo. Look at the political history up to the early 90's. It has changed before, and it can change again if the right people would not keep running away. There just has to be a will.

beckjamie, where you moving to in TX? </div></div>

Looking around McKinney, Allen or Lucas, TX.

Jamie

 

[Nomad Farrier]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Eventhorizon and all other Californians,

I sincerely apologize. I love California. I dont know why anyone would dislike California and the culture. Im not sure what I was thinking by trashing the state and its people and ideas. I must have been drunk. Please forgive me like any good Christians would. Please do not leave due to my views that are severely un-supported. May God have mercy on my soul- Just sayin

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Act your age mate. If your argument is weak that you have to act the clown then why not think things through a bit more.

Unless you like being a clown.

 

[Nomad Farrier]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Very well spoken EH, once again. Although now you have resorted to name calling. Typical-

 

[BugSniper]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

I just would like to apologize to The Mechanic. He went ahead and posted facts, which yeah, I should have done.

Unfortunately, growing up in California and moving to someplace far different, and watching what happens when a lot of california plates started appearing was completely obvious. I thought everyone who lived in California was well aware that there has been a mass exodus since before Clinton was in office, you know back when sales taxes were "low" @ 7%. I thought everyone living in California knew someone whose family had a member leave or whose employer changed states. I seriously took his request for common sense, common knowledge stats to be a waste of time, that it couldn't be because he honestly didn't believe what was being said. I still have a hard time believing it.

I am beginning to think either Event Horizon does not actually live in California, or he works in media, fashion, or hollywood and just doesn't see the reality of his state very often. I will believe him though if he starts giving me a lecture on how Virginians need to stop cutting down trees and flush only after a deuce is dropped. That would prove he at least used to live in California, and brought his ideals, and of course his vote, with him to a land still intact.

I had a friend, an immigrant, who thought we were complete idiots for letting anyone not a natural citizen vote here. After thinking about it, I agree that additionally it should be applied at the state level too. No migrants should be mucking up the sociopolitical landscape. And yes, I would be happy to forfeit my vote if every other migrant to my state would lose his too so that Va be run by real Virginians.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

So my not agreeing with you makes me a liar? Oh boy.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

EH out.