Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

[Armed Ferret]

This is mine apparently.

The live round in the chamber makes it lots more interesting. Never even got a round off. Fgmm apparently too large for my chamber.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

DANG! Sorry to see that.
Howd you dude-it?
LG

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Tried to chamber a round of fgmm and the bolt wouldn't close all the way. Got the bolt to where it should pull back, and it was stuck. Smacked it with my hand a few times and saw that.

 

[Pat M]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

good "FAIL!" picture

sorry about your bolt.

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">good "FAIL!" picture </div></div>

The smith is a member here and may not appreciate your sentiment. I've got an email in to him regarding the issue. My main concern is the live round in the chamber.

 

[buckey]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

I'm sure he'll get it Controlled for you.

Be careful with that live round - scary stuff!!

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tried to chamber a round of fgmm and the bolt wouldn't close all the way. Got the bolt to where it should pull back, and it was stuck. Smacked it with my hand a few times and saw that. </div></div>

CRAP...Does that mean you still have a "live" rnd in the chamber?
LG

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Buckey I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you're correct. And given everything else going on in his ao right now, a few days for a reply certainly isn't unreasonable.

Lumpy, yes there's a live round chambered.

 

[chris223]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

could the bolt have been out of time? ive heard of it happening w/ remingtons before but never that extreme?
when I was breaking mine in it was alittle snug but not that bad.
wow love to see how this gets resolved..

 

[Pete Lincoln]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

can i use that picture?
would you mind?
regards Pete

 

[PCR]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

tag... interested in how he gets the bolt out.

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Pete id prefer not to, until I get a chance to talk to my smith.

Az, he won't be getting it out as it's illegal to mail a loaded firearm.

 

[buckey]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

You're doing the right thing.

That live round has to be in the back of your mind at all times -it would be in mine if it were my rifle!!

 

[flyboy]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tag... interested in how he gets the bolt out. </div></div>

Last time I checked, the safe way is to take the barrel off the action. then the round, bold and all will come apart without any trouble.

 

[Turk]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Looks like a good candidate to send out to Dans40X for welding!

 

[Pat M]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

They can pull the barrel, which will take the stress off the bolt and all should be OK. Yes i understand there is a live round in the chamber and a good smith will take precautions.

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a good candidate to send out to Dans40X for welding!</div></div>

Oh neat you turned my thread into an advertisement. Classy.

 

[Flyingbullseye]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Talk about a scary moment at the range. Is there any remote chance that you could have fired the rifle safely since you still have that live round in the chamber?

 

[Bluejazz]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Man, thats just tough luck!

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Flying, no chance. Bolt is forward but not closed (so not fully cocked).

It's frustrating, but shit happens sometimes. I was pretty bummed and still am, but life goes on. And there's more important stuff to worry about. It'll get fixed in due time.

 

[WTW]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

That happened to a guy at a match I was at about two months ago. Made me think long and hard about getting a different bolt. Be safe and good luck.

 

[Oddball Six]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

What Reciever/bolt is that?

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Reciever/bolt is that? </div></div>

Really?

 

[300sniper]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

was that the first round of federal match you tried in that chamber? just curious if the round was out of spec or the chamber.

i have seen it happen but it was with handloads not sized properly, not virgin brass/factory ammo.

 

[Oddball Six]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Reciever/bolt is that? </div></div>

Really? </div></div>

Yes. I am not good at guessing from pictures and dont have an encylopedic memory of every rifle every member has posted here.

I was hoping you would confirm that it was factory and not one of the supposed higher grade clones.

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

pretty sure factory rem 700

 

[Oddball Six]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">pretty sure factory rem 700 </div></div>

That was my <span style="font-style: italic">assumption</span> as well.

 

[chad3]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Could you take to safe range and tap on place where broke with brass punch? Might just get it to turn enough to come out. Just make sure you have the rifle strapped down, etc.
If unsafe, sorry, I'm just throwing out thoughts. Would this work?
Chad

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

didn't have my tools today or i'd have tried to get it undone at the range.

as the bolt isn't closed, and therefore nothing is fully cocked, it's safe. the firing pin CAN'T go forward in its current position.

just the "stuck" part to deal with is all.

 

[chooter]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

I have had 3023 weeks of bad luck. You do the math! Sorry for you bad luck - I had one of those about four weeks ago. All is good now.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Armed Ferret,

Your patience is commendable. I know of another who had a similar experience, with a different smith. Yes, everyone has their "off" days.

But that is not to say that this type of thing is a regular occurrence. THE MAIN POINT THAT I'M MAKING, and that Armed Ferret is kindly alluding to, is that WHILE NOT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, that doesn't mean that (smith A) is bad and everybody and their next-door-neighbor's-cousins-friend should all go to (smith B).

So yeah, again, I'm saying that your patience is commendable. And that others SHOULD learn a little humility? Humbleness?

There sure seems to be a lot of *sand/va-JJ/cryingtowelsyndrome* lately.

I know from experience, that when it all comes together, it'll be worth the wait. On this, I can assure you.

 

[Ishikawa]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But that is not to say that this type of thing is a regular occurrence. THE MAIN POINT THAT I'M MAKING, and that Armed Ferret is kindly alluding to, is that WHILE NOT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, that doesn't mean that (smith A) is bad and everybody and their next-door-neighbor's-cousins-friend should all go to (smith B).</div></div>

I would take it a step further and say that it's likely not the smith's fault at all. They would have to Xray each bolt to determine if it had a material defect from the factory's manufacturing process. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but I don't think that most smith's which modify manufactured rifles invest in checking the integrity of the steel that is being used. At least, it's not listed on any of their "to do's"

EDIT: I may be thinking about this wrong though. I'm assuming that the handle is one piece with the bolt, and that may be incorrect. I've never looked that closely to a Rem 700 action and wouldn't know. Anyone confirm?

 

[Da-Law-Dawg]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Email to you AF.

 

[chris223]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

bad luck? hell if it blew in youre face that would be bad luck..
I had a squib load in my glock
and luckily one of my guys caught it as I was taking up the slack .
I felt the same way but he told me you lost a day of shooting not a couple days in the hospital..
It can always be worse.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ishikawa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would take it a step further and say that it's likely not the smith's fault at all. They would have to Xray each bolt to determine if it had a material defect from the factory's manufacturing process. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but I don't think that most smith's which modify manufactured rifles invest in checking the integrity of the steel that is being used. At least, it's not listed on any of their "to do's" that I've seen

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it has nothing to do with the steel being used. either the case was too long or the chamber was too short. one of those would be the ammo manufacturer's fault, the other would be the smith's.

edit to respond to your edit:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ishikawa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
EDIT: I may be thinking about this wrong though. I'm assuming that the handle is one piece with the bolt, and that may be incorrect. I've never looked that closely to a Rem 700 action and wouldn't know. Anyone confirm? </div></div>

the remington handles are soldered on. true, sometimes there is a bad one that just falls off. usually when one comes off it is because of abuse beyond what it was designed for. improperly sized brass or loading too hot are probably the most common reasons for needing to beat on the bolt handle.

 

[Hunt]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

I remembered George a while back saying that an air compressor could possibly be used to remove a live stuck round. Might think through that scenario.

 

[Turk]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a good candidate to send out to Dans40X for welding!</div></div>

Oh neat you turned my thread into an advertisement. Classy. </div></div>
It was just a suggetion; if it bothers you that much PM me!

 

[Ishikawa]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ishikawa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would take it a step further and say that it's likely not the smith's fault at all. They would have to Xray each bolt to determine if it had a material defect from the factory's manufacturing process. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but I don't think that most smith's which modify manufactured rifles invest in checking the integrity of the steel that is being used. At least, it's not listed on any of their "to do's" that I've seen

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it has nothing to do with the steel being used. either the case was too long or the chamber was too short. one of those would be the ammo manufacturer's fault, the other would be the smith's.

edit to respond to your edit:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ishikawa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
EDIT: I may be thinking about this wrong though. I'm assuming that the handle is one piece with the bolt, and that may be incorrect. I've never looked that closely to a Rem 700 action and wouldn't know. Anyone confirm? </div></div>

the remington handles are soldered on. true, sometimes there is a bad one that just falls off. usually when one comes off it is because of abuse beyond what it was designed for. improperly sized brass or loading too hot are probably the most common reasons for needing to beat on the bolt handle. </div></div>


Ahhh, gotcha....I had not realized they are simply soldered together. Makes more sense as to the arguments presented above now. Appreciate the intel.

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Sean--The kind words are appreciated. I guess I've learned some major patience when having to deal with my chain of command in my squadron lately.

As for others, to clear up a bit--the gunsmith is 0% at fault, because he didn't do any work on the bolt handle/bolt attachment point. The fault here lies with Remington's craptastic bolt handle attachment method, but obviously asking them to find themselves at fault is like asking illegals nicely to please stop crossing the border.

Da-Law-Dawg shot me an idea via email to get the pieces apart; I'm working on that one now and will post an update when able. At the moment, I'm planning on sending the bolt and handle off to Accu-Tig for reattachment. The man has worked on more bolts than probably the top 5 smiths on this forum combined, and he charges far less for his services than he should....and he comes highly recommended from 2 local smiths I've talked to.

Best part is, a local smith who's a friend of mine happens to owe me a couple favors, so he's letting me call one in and is sending it to Accu-Tig on his own dime. Can't argue with that.

So yeah.....shit happens, it's getting fixed, I can't be too mad. Bummed, you bet. Frustrated right when it happened, abso-friggin-lutely. Pissed? Nah. I know folks in Iowa who have a lot more to stress about right now, what with the worst flooding ever on record happening there.

 

[Turk]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

You're welcome!

 

[Alderleet]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Damn that sucks.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

As for others, to clear up a bit--the gunsmith is 0% at fault, because he didn't do any work on the bolt handle/bolt attachment point. The fault here lies with Remington's craptastic bolt handle attachment method, but obviously asking them to find themselves at fault is like asking illegals nicely to please stop crossing the border.

</div></div>

so the brass case did not get stuck causing you to have to use more force on the handle than it was designed for? something tells me that the cause of this was not remington's bolt handle or it's attachment method. the fact that it came off is the result of something else wrong whether that was oversized brass or an undersized chamber. tiging the handle back on is not going to cure that problem.

i just hope that you happened to have one well oversized piece of factory federal match.

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

so you're saying a remington 700 bolt handle is supposed to be so loosely attached that three whacks with the palm of a 170-pound guy's hand is enough to cause it to shear off at the joint?

i've had FGMM that was in poor form before; this is nothing new to me. store was out of Superformance 178's (my first choice, since every SMK experience i've had has been a 2-3 grain weight variation per box, and a .060 length difference per box from base to ogive) so i went with the distant second choice.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

i'm saying that it most likely wouldn't have come off if the round wasn't stuck. the stuck round is the problem. the handle coming off is the result.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so you're saying a remington 700 bolt handle is supposed to be so loosely attached that three whacks with the palm of a 170-pound guy's hand is enough to cause it to shear off at the joint?

i've had FGMM that was in poor form before; this is nothing new to me. store was out of Superformance 178's (my first choice, since every SMK experience i've had has been a 2-3 grain weight variation per box, and a .060 length difference per box from base to ogive) so i went with the distant second choice. </div></div>

So you did NOT know that Remmy brazes the handle to the bolt body?
So you did not think that a steady pull would do less damage that beating it with your hand?
Come on, YOU broke it and your pissing on Remm.
You SHOULD have STOPPED when the bolt would NOT close on the live round.
WE have all screwed up our "trash" from time to time.
Put the blame were it belongs........
Respectfully,
LG

 

[Armed Ferret]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

wow, didn't think you'd take facts so personally.

show me where i allegedly "pissed" on remington?

also show me where companies who attach bolt handles via another method have the same issue of bolt body/handle separation at the attachment joint.

It's amazing how bolts from accu-tig don't have this same problem....but yeah, it's probably not the attachment method that sucks, i'm just so fucking strong right? you may have experience with retard strength, but it's not something i've ever known in my personal experiences.

 

[Lumpy Grits]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so you're saying a remington 700 bolt handle is supposed to be so loosely attached that three whacks with the palm of a 170-pound guy's hand is enough to cause it to shear off at the joint? </div></div>


Most folks would call that remark as "pissing-on-Remm."..........
LG

 

[300sniper]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Armed Ferret</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow, didn't think you'd take facts so personally.

show me where i allegedly "pissed" on remington?

also show me where companies who attach bolt handles via another method have the same issue of bolt body/handle separation at the attachment joint.

It's amazing how bolts from accu-tig don't have this same problem....but yeah, it's probably not the attachment method that sucks, i'm just so fucking strong right? you may have experience with retard strength, but it's not something i've ever known in my personal experiences. </div></div>

you still are not addressing the original problem. why did the case get stuck? have you ever fired this rifle before? by the op, i am guessing the first round you stuck in the chamber is the one that caused this. that makes me highly suspicious of the chamber. sure, i suppose a piece of factory federal match ammo could have had the brass too long but the odds of it being the first one placed in your rifle are pretty slim.

and don't think a tig'd handle can't come off while trying to free a stuck case.

now don't get me wrong. i feel that a one piece bolt body/handle is the way to go but it is not because of people that load their ammo improperly. my thinking is eventually you are going to drop your rifle when using it. a one piece would give me more of a warm fuzzy feeling after that.

edit: looking at your picture, i see you have an aftermarket knob attached. remington's bolt handle was much shorter when it left the factory. you added about an inch and a half of extra leverage onto the handle. i don't think remington has any blame in this what so ever.

 

[chris223]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

Well it looks like remingtons Q.C. is to blame?
because if a 170 lb guy can twist that bolt off I see a real design flaw with that .
And I doubt any body can argue that.
No im not pissing on them im investigating the reason behind failure. I believe thats been answered now.
I havent had that problem with mine or seen it before but...
people have good days at work and bad days.
this may have been someones first day at work.
just be glad you werent employing the rifle in a life or death scenario .

 

[300sniper]

Re: Ever have one of those weeks you can't win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: varmint6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it looks like remingtons Q.C. is to blame?
because if a 170 lb guy can twist that bolt off I see a real design flaw with that .
And I doubt any body can argue that.
No im not pissing on them im investigating the reason behind failure. I believe thats been answered now.
I havent had that problem with mine or seen it before but...
people have good days at work and bad days.
this may have been someones first day at work.
just be glad you werent employing the rifle in a life or death scenario . </div></div>

i'll argue it. a 170 lb person should have no business pounding on the handle in the first place. i have never had to pound on a bolt handle. the people i have seen pounding on bolt handles were not loading properly. if you are depending on a rifle for a life and death scenario, you would be using a proven rifle and proven ammo.