Just to stir the pot…comparative similarities could be because they all had the same Designer.
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Evolution May Be Purposeful And It’s Freaking Scientists Out
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ETA: And you’re a fucking asshole for the preface. I started reading and after a few paragraphs I was like what the fuck. Scroll…scroll…scroll. Brief my dick.
It was worth the read….
Go back and start again. Really.
Cheers! Sirhr
Yes, but that only lasts so long.
OR… it produces a new branch that has better survival skills.
If one thinks from a position of “we are progressing towards a better, more utopian, modern, cleaner, smarter world… then the “mass breeding by what we think of as the dregs is ominous and retrograded.
But that is not how the “fittest” or, technically, best adapted develop.
In almost all of nature, from plants to high order primates, most of the successful are the strongest, most domineering and most violent. Including us humans. We just put on a veneer of “good and civilized” because it is a survival
Mechanism of sorts. And allows our species to cooperatively destroy any threats to our advancement. For now.
But as I said in another post, we have been in a historical Goldilocks Zone for 5 centuries… devoid of major natural disasters and even the wars have been technological net positives.
Don’t count out the fact that this will end. Either due to human activity (not climate change… more likely war wiping out global trade and starving 5 billion technologically-dependent eaters in a matter of months or years. Or a geologic or astronomical catastrophe.
Then the adaptations will be towards skills like strength. Guile. Living alone or in tiny groups. Cannibalism, perhaps. (Elon and Morlochs?).
One thing history has told us is that Evolution and/or designers are neither benevolent nor caring at individual levels. More times more soecies, including some that likely had a modicum of intelligence, were wiped out than exist on the planet today.’ By design or by evolution or by random accident.
Think on that. And read the article! It’s good.
Sirhr
And THAT is how those species survive. Too many in the herd to be eliminated by a single predator or illness or lack of water/food/shelter. The strongest of these less than desirable live to reproduce with abandon. Evolution at work.
perhaps, but this not caused by evolutionary pressures, but rather a lack of evolutionary pressures. it is unnatural imho.
this is why it may be unsustainable. devolution.
Except.....
They have gotten so good at mapping DNA...
That they have identified mitochondrial Eve.
I'm telling you all, they are lying to you.
The geological column is a farce. Carbon 14, zircon, isotope whatever dating, farce not even science.
Anyone hanging on to evolution isnt studying the data.
The whole shebang has been around for about 6k years. Thats it.
The complexity is truly absurd.
Particles and waves, just by sheer chance, guided by equally absurd yet very specific mechanics just happened to "occur" and "evolve" into what we observe today.
Particles and waves, just by sheer chance, guided by equally absurd yet very specific mechanics just happened to "occur" and "evolve" into what we observe today.
Also, the weak point of evolution theory and the no creator theory is that there is no accounting for morals, for good and evil, for right and wrong. Without that, you have MAPs, you have men in colorful kabuki make-up grinding their hips in a sexual manner for children.
You have children "stripping" for tips from grown men and that being celebrated on a MSM show. That is what you have when there is no standard of behavior. And why have a standard if we all "evolve" from a soup?
You have children "stripping" for tips from grown men and that being celebrated on a MSM show. That is what you have when there is no standard of behavior. And why have a standard if we all "evolve" from a soup?
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Interesting read on the subject of free will amd relationships to time-jumping, gravity and quantum super-position:
Testing A Time-Jumping, Multiverse-Killing, Consciousness-Spawning Theory Of Reality
Roger Penrose proposes a conscious observer doesn’t cause wave function collapse. A conscious observer is caused by wave function collapse.
www.forbes.com
Yes and let is all not forget Paul Dirac's equation that lends itself to the idea that gravity is an effect that may decrease with time (not yet proven, that I know of.)
I knew evolution was a joke as soon as I could read. “In the beginning God….” which I do believe.
He created light, and then He divided light and darkness and called the light ‘day’ and the darkness ‘night’.
And He did that several ‘days’ before He created the sun and moon. Go figure that out.
He created light, and then He divided light and darkness and called the light ‘day’ and the darkness ‘night’.
And He did that several ‘days’ before He created the sun and moon. Go figure that out.
This, plus I believe he allows us to live at different times as well.
There are places in the US that I have been to, that I just knew I had been to before, too the point I drew a topo map of the A/O prior and then handed to the wife to see if it was valid. She was amassed how close it was. Did the same thing during my first trip to the Eu & Russia, w/a COE & FBO guys, same results. Certain sounds & smells take me to places I can visualize yet have never been to, in this life. Yes I do believe in reincarnation.
Glad I’m not the only one that has had this happen! Used to happen to me a lot as I was younger!
"It is appointed unto man ONCE to die, after this the judgement."
There are other examples in nature. The Wildebeast, American Bison...so many animals that there is no conceivable way for them to be obliterated other than a bunch of guys with 45-90 Sharps rifles stacking them up without care to make room for the great westward expansion. Even that didn't quite work.
It's 100% natural.
When I was out in the villages of Alaska, we would go out to get caribou. There would often be hundreds of animals. My first experience (the last one like it, too) the guys I was out with just ran at them on snowmachines with rifles blazing. I was amazed there were not any friendly fire incidents. No way was I going out "hunting" like that again. But...the wounded caribou would stop running and just sort of stand there. Survival of the herd was more important...my theory. Then the guys just got busy with the CDG shots and getting the gut piles started. The lucky, strong and alert escaped. Those genes are getting sent downstream.
One of the things humans do, vs other animals, is create languages and then proceed to describe the world with those languages.
Animals just go about their day in their environment.
Humans and their languages get used to encourage consumption. Animals, other than humans? Not common at all to see hoarding of resources. Almost always, enough to get by. And maybe less than that.
With all their language and higher-thinking benefits, humans should be able to look at the animal kingdom, and reason that the animals are suited to their environments with their relatively frugal POV on resources.
Instead the language skills and analytic prowess tends to be used to convince other humans to consume more, hoard more, and also -- something animals don't do with resources -- flaunt them toward other humans.
The elk you go stalking doesn't care whether you drove up in a $150k 4x4, or on a $125 used bicycle.
good. also,we are among the weakest of omnivores. we have to function in groups to survive. language is a big tool in that. needing groups also causes us a bunch of problems.
I didn't say bad or good.
I just said what is.
Whether it ends badly, or well, depends on the intelligence used. Or not used. By "intelligence" I mean brainpower, rationale, logic, analysis. Not brainstorming on imagined enemies, or scheming on resource gluttony.
People who spend a lot of time in the woods know that the threats of other predator species, they exist but are not constant -- they depend a lot on your own quality of presence, how you go about things, what you are observing/paying attention to, what you are careless about.
Whereas flatlanders will be trying to buy every caliber they can to handle bear or moose or mountain lion, instead of seeing the hills as what they are. I guess when you intend to bash through the land seeking more things to flaunt or plunder, you assume that's what the bear or mountain lion is up to, as well.
I just said what is.
Whether it ends badly, or well, depends on the intelligence used. Or not used. By "intelligence" I mean brainpower, rationale, logic, analysis. Not brainstorming on imagined enemies, or scheming on resource gluttony.
People who spend a lot of time in the woods know that the threats of other predator species, they exist but are not constant -- they depend a lot on your own quality of presence, how you go about things, what you are observing/paying attention to, what you are careless about.
Whereas flatlanders will be trying to buy every caliber they can to handle bear or moose or mountain lion, instead of seeing the hills as what they are. I guess when you intend to bash through the land seeking more things to flaunt or plunder, you assume that's what the bear or mountain lion is up to, as well.
Whales have a language that humans are just figuring out. Animal behaviorists are uncovering other animal languages, especially now with AI. I am sure all other animals have a language and use it to communicate with each other. Language is not unique to humans at all.
As for resource hoarding...it is well documented amongst dogs. It well documented amongst chimpanzees and other apes. Apes are known to flaunt and antagonize other troupes with their "wealth". A sign of great power, intimidation and dominance. Brown bears are famous for burying a kill so they can return for breakfast. It is so well documented in other species that I just have to call bullshit on that part of your statement. Animals do not merely go aimlessly through their day in their environment.
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But you are correct about that elk. Same as the Afghani. He just knows you are the interloper.
Evolution: "The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then magically exploded for no reason, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs...Makes perfect sense."
No they are not, they are bipolar opposites. Evolutionism and Creation are so far apart from one another nothing is even close to the same... Your statement suggests you dont understand either... You just concocted your own special logical fallacy, pathetic...
My suspicion is that the slowdown in technological advances is due to an outbreak of worldwide peace and prosperity. Nothing moves technology forward like war does.
On the genetic side we are evolving by selecting for psychopathy. All you have to do is look at how over represented psychopathy and other antisocial personalities traits are among the elite. Not giving a fuck is a superpower until too many people are like you and then things get wild.
On the genetic side we are evolving by selecting for psychopathy. All you have to do is look at how over represented psychopathy and other antisocial personalities traits are among the elite. Not giving a fuck is a superpower until too many people are like you and then things get wild.
i see what you did there….
if one was a christian, that theory would carry alot of water
if one was an agnostic, it still applies.
hard core evolutionist that think we are a random universe that exists “just because” are hard to take seriously as intelligent life forms.
to get answer for our existence, i think one has to dig deeper than just life and DNA and look at the existence of the universe at the sub-atomic level.
matter itself might have some sentient value. you know, midichlorians and shit.
They are the same. The only required calibration is time measurement. Once you adjust creating the heavens and earth in 7 days to millions of years measured by man (a day to God is millions of years to us), everything else falls into place. Read Genesis with the lense of God using evolution as his tool and it all makes sense.
I realized this when I was young. Watching people debate the two theories made me realize they were saying the same thing but not realizing it due to their unbending faith in either science or religion. It actually strengthens both beliefs because science proves religion and this is where Darwin missed the opportunity.
Darwin was religious and sat on natural selection and debated on publishing his findings as he knew it would change the world and feared it would do so for the worst. It's because he thought natural selection competed with creationism instead of realizing it was simply explaining how God did it. He had health problems due to the stress and weight of the situation. His colleagues talked him into publishing because there were other scientists working the same hypothesis and were going to beat him to it. In my opinion, had he made the connection that his findings were actually proving creationism/Genesis and published it this way then science and Christianity would be united today.
I believe the story of Genesis is actually the story of another global flood/cataclysm and the "restarting" of civilization 11,500 years ago, similar to Noah's flood 6,500 years ago. What we learn today is the result of mistranslations over thousands of years, and also likely some mistranslations of historical documents by Moses himself. I don't mean to say that to say there isn't a God or He didn't create the Earth or Christianity is wrong or anything like that, only that you can't always accept things at face value; there's too many things that have been lost to time and intentional destruction (e.g. the library of Alexandria), too many things that are still hidden away from the world in places like the Vatican, and too many things mistranslated or mistold for me to believe that everything I read is unmolested.
Check out The Adam and Eve Story. It's a quick read and connects a lot of dots across cultures and religions. It might be total bullshit, but it's thought-provoking nonetheless. CIA classified it for some reason and has declassified it in part on their website.
Author Tim Robbins (he wrote "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" that was made into a movie) wrote a book called "Another Roadside Attraction."
This guy owned one of those roadside show places where you could see two-headed snakes, etcetera.
An earthquake hits the Vatican while he is vacationing there. The vault is cracked and out falls this 2,000 year old casket. Wonder who that might be.
So, he steals the casket to display as another roadside attraction.
Colorful writing, too. "He drove up on an old Harley. When he turned it off, the engine died with the sound of a midget choking to death on a burning rag."
I already knew of the sorts of things you mention, so why did I say it as I did?
Because of scalar differences, and they are what distinguishes bad human behavior from standard animal behavior.
"Studies have shown" is a phrase used by non-science people. The "study" usually is not rigorous and not scientific. Usually.
Which of the other non-human animals created typewriters, computers, pens and paper, printing presses, books?
Which of them hoards items in excess of need?
Seeing 2 carcasses in a bear den does not prove hoarding, nor do the collective works in ant or bee colonies.
No...you are right. Humans have the capacity to make and use more sophisticated tools. That is to say that other creatures also use tools.
Apes. A horde of apes can and do hoard to excess. Their excess will rot before they "share" with starving other apes. Sometimes they are waiting for it rot and ferment. HAHA!! True.
Chimps commit murder. Brutally ganging up on an individual and beating him to death and then rip him limb from limb and eat him. While they have a hoard of excess fruit or whatever. The individual may be the old leader or a youngster or any ape in between, social status be damned. Is that undesirable or bad behavior? I think so.
If you ignore scalar differences, and bad/good ends, you can see parallels all day. Anyone who watched a raccoon open a trash can by removing its lid, and begin foraging -- well, if you've seen that, you've seen animals exercising "human-like" ingenuity and sometimes, it involves a tool. Some animals will use a piece of twig to ferret insects out of humus/duff. Some have long tongues to achieve similar ends.
What explains the giraffe's diversion from the other similarly equipped 4-leggers (horses, deer, elk, caribou, moose) on that extra-long neck? Is it just to forage treetops that other animals (who don't climb or fly) cannot reach? Is it a random mutation that survived despite its oddness?
It is impossible to find a non-human animal that not only has "human" ingenuity and tool-making abilities, but also uses them in ecosystem-harming ways.
Though I suspect some ranchers may say differently regarding gophers, ground squirrels, etc and their burrows causing leg-breaking injuries to stock.
What I'm saying is that the advanced "computing" power we humans have in our highly evolved, convoluted, very oxygenated brains, it carries a burden of what I might call "being conscientious." The ability to ponder an outcome, in detail, and choose different paths because of different outcomes.
I was in college 40 yrs ago, so maybe some will write off what I'm saying, but I don't recall a single creature that is as careless in exercising its native "gifts" or talents compared to humans. With other animals, you can't assume the same processing power, forethought, planning. Most of them, their brains are not advanced enough, their nervous systems and circulatory systems not complex/clean enough, to have powerful "intellectual"-ish capacity. They just don't have the biological machinery to achieve it.
Sharks are, in comparative biology, just about the apex predator among all animals. They are the most well adapted to their environment. Their brains, however, are very simple and not capable of complex work. Yet they are, comparatively, the finest-adapted predator among the animals known today.
What explains the giraffe's diversion from the other similarly equipped 4-leggers (horses, deer, elk, caribou, moose) on that extra-long neck? Is it just to forage treetops that other animals (who don't climb or fly) cannot reach? Is it a random mutation that survived despite its oddness?
It is impossible to find a non-human animal that not only has "human" ingenuity and tool-making abilities, but also uses them in ecosystem-harming ways.
Though I suspect some ranchers may say differently regarding gophers, ground squirrels, etc and their burrows causing leg-breaking injuries to stock.
What I'm saying is that the advanced "computing" power we humans have in our highly evolved, convoluted, very oxygenated brains, it carries a burden of what I might call "being conscientious." The ability to ponder an outcome, in detail, and choose different paths because of different outcomes.
I was in college 40 yrs ago, so maybe some will write off what I'm saying, but I don't recall a single creature that is as careless in exercising its native "gifts" or talents compared to humans. With other animals, you can't assume the same processing power, forethought, planning. Most of them, their brains are not advanced enough, their nervous systems and circulatory systems not complex/clean enough, to have powerful "intellectual"-ish capacity. They just don't have the biological machinery to achieve it.
Sharks are, in comparative biology, just about the apex predator among all animals. They are the most well adapted to their environment. Their brains, however, are very simple and not capable of complex work. Yet they are, comparatively, the finest-adapted predator among the animals known today.
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All the simians are nearest to humans in processing power, "strategy," etc. Very similar complex brain, highly oxygenated blood, complex nervous system, complex and relatively clean circulatory system.
It's not fair to call that "murder" because "murder" is a human-made concept. But I do get your point. And such behavior really underscores what I said in my post above. They have the processing power and ability to consider outcomes -- this has been seen by behavioral biologists who study simians and who try to teach them with human-esque instructional methods. If any animal would hoard, or act jealously/narcissistically, it would be a primate.
People who have spent time around simians and primates will observe human-esque displays of emotional things (as we humans call them) -- sadness, compassion, anger, tenderness. Powerful creatures able to harm another quite easily, but very gentle with whichever of their group are worthy.
Do you even want to consider what it would be like if primates were educated and began making complex tools, developing complex spoken/written languages? What would they do with those gifts? Would they deforest their entire landscape to build huge primate McMansions and skyscrapers? Would they pollute their drinking water?
Sometimes I think that many super smart folks are quite blind to realities that society’s dim bulbs see every day. I have been wrong though.
Sir, when you roll through Dawson Creek on your Alaska highway tour, please let me know. My wife is a great cook. You should stop by.
Coolio, a "meme." Tools of the self-impressed midwits of society! And such a great choice of avatar, King Debauch himself. flak flak flak
But we do see chimp behavior in humanoids. Maybe not including cannibalism at the present. But we do see group violence against an individual. In fact, IIRC, it is common to see 3 or 4 people circle another person and while the 3 people are keeping the human distracted, the 4th 'floater" swoops in from the blind side and always delivers a head shot.
And then, like a group of chimps or even hyenas, all swoop in to take their turns.
We’re at the “soft men make hard times” part of the evolutionary cycle.
Hopefully, Darwin will step in and save us.
Hopefully, Darwin will step in and save us.
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