Rifle Scopes Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

Corsso

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Man alive! OK, I have accepted the fact that it is a good investment in the dropping of $1500 on a scope. I have now realized that there are way too many mounts/rings for my mere mortal brain to calculate and research by the time I need to have my rig mounted. I will be attending two Precision Rifle courses at the end of the month that teach from the ground up... zeroing through windage and elevation calculations. I did not enjoy spending the $1500 on the scope but new it had to be done and feel great about the decision. I am NOT going to buckle to a near $500 mount tho. Any help is appreciated and needed.

I need to mount a Nightforce 2.5-10x32 to a picatinni rail on a AR-10 with a 16" barrel.

Please let me know if you need any further info to help.
I intend on maxing the range of the scope/rifle.


I apologize for the Nub shit. Thank you in advance.
 
#2
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

You'll want a NF Unimount in extra-high. Not the cheapest, but there is none better.

PS. You don't "need" to spend $1500 on a scope to get something that will work very very well. You've drank the koolaid, but it just ain't so. I'd actually turn your reasoning around and say get a good set of rings because that is something you will definitely not part with. Scopes, on the other hand, seem to come and go as your experience and desires evolve: regardless of how good they are.
 
#3
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

Burris PEPR mount MIGHT fit your needs.

The Weaver 6 hole tactical rings and Burris XTR rings shoud serve well.

Don't know about figuring the ring height on your set up though.
 
#4
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

Do you want a quick release or do you want torqued down rings.

I would get behind the rifle and see where you look like you would be behind a scope, I don't like extra high rings, makes me lift my head up to much.

I used Standard and Medium rings, but I don't like the huge 50mm objective lenses either, I have a 40mm leupold mk 4 on my SASS and a 42mm March on my GAP

Here is a chart that may help you out from Badger

http://badgerordnance.com/scope-rings-sizing-chart/
 
#6
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

JP Enterprise and La Rue also make good mounts for the AR. JP is probably the best for a decent price.

I have a Burris PEPR and it's machining is not as good. Have to tighten harder to prevent the scope from slipping.
 
#8
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You don't necessarily need a Unimount unless you plan to be taking it on and off all the time.

I have had unimounts that are production, prototypes, and various forms in between.

For a long time I've had "torque down" rings on my AR platforms and they have served well. Buying rings that return to zero is very important IMO, and even if you want to have a backup optic with regular configuration rings you can do it. To handle that, you need a setup that will repeat.

I've never seen anything that repeats better than the stuff that American Rifle is making. I never thought I'd own a huge pile of rings that cost that much, but after the first set I realized how good they are and picked up more of them.

I currently run my 2.5-10x32 in a prototype unimount from ARC, until about 2 weeks ago I had the scope in a set of their 30/31mm rings on my AR15.
 
#9
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

If it's just the 32mm objective then you have a lot of options. You don't necessarily NEED a cantilever mount for that scope and unless you need the QD option just get a good set of medium or maybe high rings and be done with it assuming your rail is in spec. While I love the Burris XTRs, I've taken a liking to the thinner profile rings like TPS, Badger and Seekins. Leaves more room to get the scope where you want it as well as an anti cant level/angle indicator/etc. My last project wore XTR's and there was barely enough room to squeeze a thin anti cant level on it. If you run something like a Hensoldt that has a shorter overall length and limited space in the main tube between the eye box and the bell, you're area of adjustment is very small.

This is something I never paid much attention to until it became a problem for me. The thinner rings hug just as well as the beefier, 12 screw ones so why waste all that space?
 
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Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You'll want a NF Unimount in extra-high. Not the cheapest, but there is none better.

PS. You don't "need" to spend $1500 on a scope to get something that will work very very well. You've drank the koolaid, but it just ain't so. I'd actually turn your reasoning around and say get a good set of rings because that is something you will definitely not part with. Scopes, on the other hand, seem to come and go as your experience and desires evolve: regardless of how good they are. </div></div>

ScooterPIE,

I guess, I have learned in my day that if you buy a Fender or a Gibson your not spending your money, your parking it. Also if your out of tune it's not the guitar, it's your lack of tuning ability. Whereas if you buy a Colt or a Sig and your not hitting the target, chances are it's not the gun it's the lack of marksmanship. As a last analogy, Ryobi will get the job done but you only by a DeWalt once and you immediately feel the difference.

I wanted a scope with the same attributes, and that will last me forever if it has to. I wanted something strong, powerful and refined that I will have no question of it maintaining it's characteristics.

I'm open to being schooled though and trying other scopes on my 'other' guns, but I think for my main squeeze Im not settling. But your right, I did drink the Koolaid. I'm so under the either I am almost feeling like I have settled for a NF rather than get the S&B. But I realize if I am even asking these questions I really have no business owning a scope that is more expensive than my motorcycle.

I recently threw a Tasco mino as far as I could into the woods because when I needed it, it was not there for me... getting a little wet, it fogged up beyond reason. I want to keep my scope.




Anger issues? What anger issues?
 
#11
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

Corsso, I understand where you are coming from, but there is this thing called the law of diminishing returns. At the very high end with the super expensive toys, you tend to get very little in return for large increases in dollars spent. Likewise, on the low end, you reach a point as the price goes down where the quality just goes to shit and the item is not worth paying anything for. The middle area tends to be where you can get great quality and good prices This definitely applies to scopes in my opinion.

$1500 is not an excessive amount to pay and I am a huge NF fan because I think you are getting the same quality as a $3000 scope for half the price. But, there are a ton of great scopes for well under $1K that will serve you well. I am winning F-class tournaments with a $350 Weaver that tracks flawlessly and has been in constant heavy use for 2 years now. Leupold has a lifetime warranty on their products and a great reputation. You have a ton of choices. On the other hand, when you get below $300, then the scope probably isn't worth what you are paying for it.

Cheers
 
#12
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

Scooter-PIE,

Well thanks! Now you took my perfectly decided brain and unraveled it. Tell me, what are the few to check out that are Mil/Mil w Zero Stop? I will be training with the Mildot Master and Kestrel yada-yada and trying to keep the calculations to a minimum, hence the Mil/Mil.

I understand that Leupy has a Lifetime Guarantee but I'm one of those nut jobs that thinks like this >> 'Kinda hard to send a scope in to be fixed when the phones don't work and any vehicle with a pump (all) doesn't work wither. From what I've seen and heard NF is the Beef-Cake of scopes.

So hit me...I'm all ears Scoooots.

Thanks
 
#13
Re: Expensive Gla$$ then Mount/Ring$$$?

Optics are like anything else in my opinion, you get what you pay for. Don't feel bad or regret the dicision on the NF.
I have owned all kinds of optics with Leupy being the winner until thie past year when I went through two Leupys that would not track and would not hold POI. One was sold on the rifle (the buyer knew about the scope) and the other was sent back to the factory. It was two months getting it back. I was fed up, tired of shit not working and of course it quit during load development.
I now run NF. Not because I drank the kool-aid but because I wanted something that would work, everytime. And if there is a problem NF will have the scope back to you in about 2 weeks. NF also holds their value pretty well so...

I run mine in the Larue LT-104 mount. The RTZ is spot on. Very little windage adjustment for zeroing. The fit and finish is very nice and if the case you use isn't optic friendly it's simple to remove.

Thats my set up, may not be for everyone but it works well for me.
 
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