Rifle Scopes Eyesight going south??

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Can someone help me figure this out? Just here recently(past couple of years) my vision is starting to deteriorate, just up close, say within 15" and closer, having to wear reading glasses for the newspaper and what not. It's been so hot for so long here in Texas that I have not shot much for several months, but went out this weekend and something has happened, groups opened up quite a bit, started trying to diagnose what happened, well all checked out good, what I found was parallax, the POI moved quite a bit 1" or more when I moved my head around looking through the scope, after I focused it, I dialed the parallax out where the POI did not move at all but the target was out of focus, groups tightened up, focused the target back in crystal clear, parallax back, groups opened up again. So I got another rifle out with basically the same scope, same problem, got out another rifle with a diffrent brand of scope, when focused at 100, the focus is at 115, but parallax not as bad. One thing I did notice was I had to refocus the ocular piece on all 3 scopes to focus the reticle. The first 2 scopes were NF NXS 5.5x22x56, third was a Sightron 8 X 32.

Has anyone experienced this? Is there a fix? Is it the heat? Am I screwed?

Thanks, Mark W.
 
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Shay, I have never worn glasses, just the granny getters that you get at wallgreens for reading, my vision past 2 FT. is still crystal clear, just took a DOT physical a couple of weeks ago, vision 20/20 in right eye and 20/15 in the left eye, and i'm a lefty. Maybe I need to see an eye doctor about it.

Mark
 
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My eye's are going down hill rapidly also. One thing that helps me is when I start to have problems focusing, I open both eye's and it helps. It's easy for me to ignore my non-sooting eye seeing something my shooting eye is seeing.
 
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Not sure how old you are, but Welcome to your 40's. If your older than that, then you were on borrowed time, lol. A trip to the optometrist would be better than the standard physical. Either way some more range time you will adapt.

If you want some real fun, try to shooting an iron sight Mauser.
 
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I agree with Shay that you might have a very slight astigmatism starting, and you might need a slight prescription.

It started to happen to me early this year. I was reading and started to notice that I was moving the book a little further away to get a crisp focus. It translated over to shooting a little bit as well, although not as noticeable yet through variable scopes. Red-dots aren't quite as crisp as they used to be.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure how old you are, but Welcome to your 40's. If your older than that, then you were on borrowed time, lol. A trip to the optometrist would be better than the standard physical. Either way some more range time you will adapt.

If you want some real fun, try to shooting an iron sight Mauser. </div></div>

This. Personally, I've had to (almost) quit shooting pistols because I can no longer see the sights. Scoped rifles with adjustable ocular and focus are my way around the vision problem.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure how old you are, but Welcome to your 40's. If your older than that, then you were on borrowed time, lol. A trip to the optometrist would be better than the standard physical. Either way some more range time you will adapt.

If you want some real fun, try to shooting an iron sight Mauser. </div></div>

I'm 43, and I'll pass on the iron sight anything right now, lol. I am going to make an appointment to visit an optometrist ASAP.
 
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My eye-sight start going south at 43yrs old. Year later I find using good optics like Swarovski & turning the ocular focus out works fantastic for me.

Any object within 24" is blurry, beyond that my eyes have perfect vision.
 
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My close-in vision started deteriorating around 43-44 years old. For a couple years, I got away using one click less on my contact lens prescription. I recently had my prescription updated to what it should be, and now my near vision is completely gone. Kind of a shock. I would have been better off getting used to it gradually by not backing down on the presciption (temporarily), then all of a sudden jumping back up to what it should be. Much more of an adjustment now than it would have been.

Having said that, I have not experienced any of the optic/parallax issues you described, so perhaps you have something more going on. A trip to the eye doc is the right call. That way, you know for sure. Good luck with it!
 
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500x said:
Can someone help me figure this out? Just here recently(past couple of years) my vision is starting to deteriorate, just up close, say within 15" and closer, having to wear reading glasses for the newspaper and what not. It's been so hot for so long here in Texas that I have not shot much for several months, but went out this weekend and something has happened, groups opened up quite a bit, started trying to diagnose what happened, well all checked out good, what I found was parallax, the POI moved quite a bit 1" or more when I moved my head around looking through the scope, after I focused it, I dialed the parallax out where the POI did not move at all but the target was out of focus, groups tightened up, focused the target back in crystal clear, parallax back, groups opened up again. So I got another rifle out with basically the same scope, same problem, got out another rifle with a diffrent brand of scope, when focused at 100, the focus is at 115, but parallax not as bad. One thing I did notice was I had to refocus the ocular piece on all 3 scopes to focus the reticle. The first 2 scopes were NF NXS 5.5x22x56, third was a Sightron 8 X 32.

Has anyone experienced this? Is there a fix? Is it the heat? Am I screwed?

Thanks, Mark W. [/quo

Couple of things
1. Loss of near vision is called presbyopia and occurs when the optic lens becomes stiff and its muscles can no longer bend it to optimize near and far vision. This is very common with age and doesn't mean your vision is failing. It can be corrected with: glasses optimized to allow focus on the front sight (iron); scoped sighting with setups that allow focusing the reticle AND adjusting for parallax. Red dots are another story as they are affected by presbyopia and astigmatism.
2. To focus on red dots you need correction for near vision, just as for the front post in irons, but optimized for a different pupil to sight distance
3. Astigmatism represents the effects of an irregular cornea which bends light in more than one angle (keeping it simple). This is more of a problem with red dots than scopes (as it often makes them quite "fuzzy") but affects both. To correct this you need more than a change in near vision magnification

How you solve this depends on your aims. For example, if your left eye works great wide open and you shoot with your right you only need to correct your scope or ironsight eye. You can get glasses that correct the shooting eye only, placing clear glass in the other side of the pair.

You need to see an opthalmologist (or appropriately credentialed optomotrist) and get an accurate eye exam. One who shoots or knows shooting would help (there are some and they sometimes advertise in shooting mags) but that's not necessary. In this day and age they know how to write prescriptions for a variety of non routine circumstances (such as for "computer glasses") and if you tell them what you need to sight on and the distances involved (front sight; red dot; reticle) they can create an appropriate Rx for your shooting eye.

I fix hearts for a living so take the above as a reasonable but not expert overview. On the other hand I've lived through this and have looked for and found solutions so you can too

Best of luck. Let me know if I can help.
 
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Thank you very much speeddog for the info, taken to "heart". I will see a specialist about it. Shay was the first to bring up astigmatism, so I did a little research on it. I failed to mention that I have had Type 2 diabetes for many years, all of my Fathers family had it before 20,I got lucky and had my diagnosis at 32, I stay fit, exercise regular, eat right and have controlled it without medication, but about 6 months ago I had my regular checkup by our family M.D. and had blood work done, my blood sugar was at 328, my doctor freaked out, and prescribed metformin and changed my diet, I still have not taken any of the medication, trying to get it down with diet alone first, still over 180, but slowly coming down, I have to go see him in 2 weeks anyway and will talk to him about my vision and a referral. This is what I found on WEB MD, but I have to keep it quiet to my MD, he yells at me if I tell him Ive been on WEB MD, Im sure you understand this speeddog, lol. So it looks as if my whole problem may very well be astigmatism. Thanks for all the input folks!!



Until now we have been talking about corneal astigmatism, but another form of astigmatism is lenticular astigmatism. It is caused by abnormalities in another curved structure inside the eye -- the crystalline lens that also focuses incoming rays. A variety of metabolic diseases cause lenticular astigmatism. <span style="color: #FF0000">For example, high blood sugar levels can change the shape of the lens of the eye, so diabetics are at increased risk of astigmatism.</span> <span style="color: #000099">The lens usually returns to normal when blood sugar levels are controlled through diet or insulin.</span>
 
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Mark; you're absolutely right about the effects of blood sugar on the lens. Your recent sugar is alarming; if you were to check another measurement (HgA1C) you would find out that you've been higher than you think for a long time.

The issue of type II DM is very important. I applaud your efforts with diet and exercise (wish more of our patients took this seriously). On the other hand that's often not enough and meds are necessary. Please don't shun the latter; the rewards of good diabetic control far outweigh the problems with meds.

This raises another concern: one of the complications of diabetes is retinopathy (injury to the retina itself). That is a MAJOR complication of diabetes and good diabetic care involves frequent retinal exams (by your GP, eye guys, both, etc.). When you see an opthalmologist for an eye exam this will be very much a part of the visit. Please make sure he knows about your fluctuating blood sugars.

Hope I'm not boring you. I can't discourse on shooting with as much depth as I can on this. Just trying to help.

Best of luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speeddog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This raises another concern: one of the complications of diabetes is retinopathy (injury to the retina itself). That is a MAJOR complication of diabetes and good diabetic care involves frequent retinal exams (by your GP, eye guys, both, etc.). When you see an opthalmologist for an eye exam this will be very much a part of the visit. Please make sure he knows about your fluctuating blood sugars.</div></div>

My father ultimately went pretty much blind from this by not getting it diagnosed and corrected before the retinal damage could be halted/slowed. The key point is that there was a high probability he didn't need to lose his eyesight had he gotten checked and his condition of increased intraocular pressure diagnosed in time. Given your medical history, Speeddog's advice is dead on. Hope everything comes out well for you!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTriever</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Personally, I've had to (almost) quit shooting pistols because I can no longer see the sights. Scoped rifles with adjustable ocular and focus are my way around the vision problem. </div></div>

I experienced the same thing with handguns. Then a guy recommended some low-power reading glasses. They'll bring the sights into focus. The target will be a bit out of focus, but at handgun distances it's not a big deal. A pair of reading glasses now lives in my range bag.

My 60 year old eyes are full of "floaties" now which is a pain shooting with scopes. It never fails that after more than 3 seconds or so looking through the scope, one will move across the reticle. My fix is to glance to the side right before I start to squeeze. It moves the floaties off dead center long enough to get the shot off.

Getting old is hell, but it sure beats the alternative! Good luck.

Bob