have you seen this in your sky
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/10/us-military-fastest-plane-falcon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/10/us-military-fastest-plane-falcon
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Re: fastest plane in the world
I will play devils advocate. What can it do that a missile or satellite not do cheaper?
I will play devils advocate. What can it do that a missile or satellite not do cheaper?
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will play devils advocate. What can it do that a missile or satellite not do cheaper? </div></div>
Deliver you a pizza from London to Sydney in less than an hour, but it'll be overcooked.........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will play devils advocate. What can it do that a missile or satellite not do cheaper? </div></div>
Deliver you a pizza from London to Sydney in less than an hour, but it'll be overcooked.........
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will play devils advocate. What can it do that a missile or satellite not do cheaper? </div></div>
Use money that is allotted in budgets that people want to keep fat. The more they develop the more money they spend the better they can justify their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will play devils advocate. What can it do that a missile or satellite not do cheaper? </div></div>
Use money that is allotted in budgets that people want to keep fat. The more they develop the more money they spend the better they can justify their jobs.
Re: fastest plane in the world
From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11.
From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11.</div></div>
Again so it would be an expensive ICBM.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11.</div></div>
Again so it would be an expensive ICBM.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am with Mechanic. This is a HUGE waste of money. </div></div>
In order to understand something like this, you need to understand the U.S.'s first strike capability. Consider the bombers that we currently have in our inventory. B-2s, B-52s, B-1s, F-117s. Now those would have to have a certain amount of time to get to their target, drop the ordnance, and get back. I'm including the repair, and the re-arming in this as well.
Time for something along these lines is greatly reduced so there is a GREATER projection of firepower that the U.S. will have on the current battlefield. That means more, and quicker air support for our guys on the ground.
It's worth it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am with Mechanic. This is a HUGE waste of money. </div></div>
In order to understand something like this, you need to understand the U.S.'s first strike capability. Consider the bombers that we currently have in our inventory. B-2s, B-52s, B-1s, F-117s. Now those would have to have a certain amount of time to get to their target, drop the ordnance, and get back. I'm including the repair, and the re-arming in this as well.
Time for something along these lines is greatly reduced so there is a GREATER projection of firepower that the U.S. will have on the current battlefield. That means more, and quicker air support for our guys on the ground.
It's worth it.
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Planes are not the only way to strike. Between ICBM and Tomahawks, I think we have all grounds covered to strike anywhere within an hour already. I am all for progression, but whats the point of creating something more complex, and more expensive to do what can already be done with much cheaper equipment.
Planes are not the only way to strike. Between ICBM and Tomahawks, I think we have all grounds covered to strike anywhere within an hour already. I am all for progression, but whats the point of creating something more complex, and more expensive to do what can already be done with much cheaper equipment.
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Say if there was a coordinated attack against the U.S., then you would need as many quick-strike assets as possible, because those assets would also be targets as well in an enemy's attempt to win.
Think about the game, chess.
Do you win more games if you use the queen all by herself, or do you win more games by using every piece?
Say if there was a coordinated attack against the U.S., then you would need as many quick-strike assets as possible, because those assets would also be targets as well in an enemy's attempt to win.
Think about the game, chess.
Do you win more games if you use the queen all by herself, or do you win more games by using every piece?
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11. </div></div>
Took us 10 years to find him the first time.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11. </div></div>
Took us 10 years to find him the first time.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...but an ICBM can't land, refuel, and take off a 2nd time. </div></div>
Neither can this one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agency will launch the Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 on the back of a rocket from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">engineers will launch the Falcon HTV-2 to the edge of space, before detaching the plane </div></div>
Rocket sends it into upper atmosphere, like an ICBM, travels in upper atmosphere to attain a higher maximum speed like an ICBM, is guided to its target like an ICBM, is unmanned like an ICBM, to deliver a payload, like an ICBM. Only it costs more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...but an ICBM can't land, refuel, and take off a 2nd time. </div></div>
Neither can this one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agency will launch the Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 on the back of a rocket from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">engineers will launch the Falcon HTV-2 to the edge of space, before detaching the plane </div></div>
Rocket sends it into upper atmosphere, like an ICBM, travels in upper atmosphere to attain a higher maximum speed like an ICBM, is guided to its target like an ICBM, is unmanned like an ICBM, to deliver a payload, like an ICBM. Only it costs more.
Re: fastest plane in the world
I've watched one of the UFO shows where they actually show weather satellite photographs of a contrail. The contrail 1 hour later was over the atlantic ocean - not possible, they estimated 8500-13000 mph.
I'm betting it's already flying test flights.
What for? Probably recon...
I've watched one of the UFO shows where they actually show weather satellite photographs of a contrail. The contrail 1 hour later was over the atlantic ocean - not possible, they estimated 8500-13000 mph.
I'm betting it's already flying test flights.
What for? Probably recon...
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Here it is, filter through the BS, witnesses have seen it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)
Here it is, filter through the BS, witnesses have seen it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)
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For everyone that has the opinion that this is a big waste of money, don't read this.
"Approximately nine minutes into its first test flight in April 2010, telemetry assets experienced a loss of signal from the HTV-2. The vehicle’s onboard system detected a flight anomaly and engaged its onboard safety system—prompting the vehicle to execute a controlled descent into the ocean."
I wonder what their definition of "controlled" is?
Taken from Parabolicarc.com
For everyone that has the opinion that this is a big waste of money, don't read this.
"Approximately nine minutes into its first test flight in April 2010, telemetry assets experienced a loss of signal from the HTV-2. The vehicle’s onboard system detected a flight anomaly and engaged its onboard safety system—prompting the vehicle to execute a controlled descent into the ocean."
I wonder what their definition of "controlled" is?
Taken from Parabolicarc.com
Re: fastest plane in the world
It's only the fastest plane because they just retired the space shuttle.
It's only the fastest plane because they just retired the space shuttle.
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This shits existed for a while. I distinctly remember my uncle giving me very *open ended* details about his work with SW and the R&D of hyper-sonic aircraft, back when i was a wee lad in the mid 90's
This shits existed for a while. I distinctly remember my uncle giving me very *open ended* details about his work with SW and the R&D of hyper-sonic aircraft, back when i was a wee lad in the mid 90's
Re: fastest plane in the world
This is the BrahMos. A joint venture between Russia and India for a hypersonic cruise missle.
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This is the BrahMos. A joint venture between Russia and India for a hypersonic cruise missle.
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Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's only the fastest plane because they just retired the space shuttle. </div></div>
Planes, read aircraft, use the atmosphere to sustain flight, i.e. fight the effects of gravity. The space shuttle and ICBM's use orbital trajectories to fight the effects of gravity.They also operate in the vacuum of space.
They probably said that the U-2, Sr-71, F-117, etc. were all a waste of time. Some of DARPA's projects seem like a waste of money:
http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/2010/07/12-insane-but-true-darpa-projects/
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's only the fastest plane because they just retired the space shuttle. </div></div>
Planes, read aircraft, use the atmosphere to sustain flight, i.e. fight the effects of gravity. The space shuttle and ICBM's use orbital trajectories to fight the effects of gravity.They also operate in the vacuum of space.
They probably said that the U-2, Sr-71, F-117, etc. were all a waste of time. Some of DARPA's projects seem like a waste of money:
http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/2010/07/12-insane-but-true-darpa-projects/
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just saw on the news it crashed off the California coast...</div></div>
OOPS!
Just found this article on the crash and it does answer some of my questions on how it is different than an ICMB. Still reading.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0811/W...ambitious-plans
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just saw on the news it crashed off the California coast...</div></div>
OOPS!
Just found this article on the crash and it does answer some of my questions on how it is different than an ICMB. Still reading.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0811/W...ambitious-plans
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phil1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's only the fastest plane because they just retired the space shuttle. </div></div>
Planes, read aircraft, use the atmosphere to sustain flight, i.e. fight the effects of gravity. The space shuttle and ICBM's use orbital trajectories to fight the effects of gravity.They also operate in the vacuum of space....</div></div>
Not in rocket mode, in airplane mode. They traveled <span style="text-decoration: underline">through the air</span> almost as fast coming down as going up, and a glider is an airplane. The shuttles were making about Mach 25 when they first slipped into the atmosphere. The fastest airplane ever flown by a human being ...was a glider.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phil1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's only the fastest plane because they just retired the space shuttle. </div></div>
Planes, read aircraft, use the atmosphere to sustain flight, i.e. fight the effects of gravity. The space shuttle and ICBM's use orbital trajectories to fight the effects of gravity.They also operate in the vacuum of space....</div></div>
Not in rocket mode, in airplane mode. They traveled <span style="text-decoration: underline">through the air</span> almost as fast coming down as going up, and a glider is an airplane. The shuttles were making about Mach 25 when they first slipped into the atmosphere. The fastest airplane ever flown by a human being ...was a glider.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the BrahMos. A joint venture between Russia and India for a hypersonic cruise missle.
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damn that thing can scoot!
I agree with everything you said AH. we need to stay 1 or 2 steps ahead of everyone in the arms race at all times.
Oh and i love your avatar! Archer FTW!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the BrahMos. A joint venture between Russia and India for a hypersonic cruise missle.
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damn that thing can scoot!
I agree with everything you said AH. we need to stay 1 or 2 steps ahead of everyone in the arms race at all times.
Oh and i love your avatar! Archer FTW!
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Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god
Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The plane has been tested in computer models and wind tunnels, but they can only simulate speeds up to Mach 15 (11,400mph). A real test is the only way to determine if the plane will remain flying at high speeds.</div></div>
How the F do they simulate Mach 15 in a friggin wind tunnel?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The plane has been tested in computer models and wind tunnels, but they can only simulate speeds up to Mach 15 (11,400mph). A real test is the only way to determine if the plane will remain flying at high speeds.</div></div>
How the F do they simulate Mach 15 in a friggin wind tunnel?
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god </div></div>
I saw that a few years ago too, does as much damage as an H-bomb does!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god </div></div>
I saw that a few years ago too, does as much damage as an H-bomb does!
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god </div></div>
I saw that a few years ago too, does as much damage as an H-bomb does! </div></div>
I remember that as well. Kinetic Energy Rods from space.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god </div></div>
I saw that a few years ago too, does as much damage as an H-bomb does! </div></div>
I remember that as well. Kinetic Energy Rods from space.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god </div></div>
I saw that a few years ago too, does as much damage as an H-bomb does! </div></div>
I remember that as well. Kinetic Energy Rods from space. </div></div>
Shades of Heinlein's <span style="font-style: italic">The Moon is a Harsh Mistress</span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting concept I read in a pop sci issue a few years back. Its called Rods From God. Basically telephone pole sized tungsten rods dropped from a satellite on any target in the world within minutes.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god </div></div>
I saw that a few years ago too, does as much damage as an H-bomb does! </div></div>
I remember that as well. Kinetic Energy Rods from space. </div></div>
Shades of Heinlein's <span style="font-style: italic">The Moon is a Harsh Mistress</span>.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11.</div></div>
Again so it would be an expensive ICBM.</div></div>
As has been pointed out in various stategy venues, the only immediate form of kinetic power that can be exerted at will, anywhere in the world at any time, is an ICBM. Within one hour of a precipitating event, we can nuke anything we want on the planet. Should we wish to do anything <span style="font-weight: bold">less</span> than glass a given target, there are precisely zero reliable options available. Tomahawks must be deployed <span style="font-style: italic">from</span> something, and that something has to be put into place and readied before it can do so. If your target is more than a thousand miles or so from safe waters to launch from, you're out of luck. Bombers can take the better part of an entire day to prep and sortie...and survivability against a serious modern military isn't guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination.
What the military wants is an unstoppable, virtually instantaneous method of delivering sufficient explosives and/or kinetic energy against a high-priority tactical target, anywhere in the world, at any time, regardless of any other geopolitical or operational constraints. In simplistic terms, we're capable of escalating to lethal force (nukes), or physical contact (conventional bombing), but we lack any form of intermediate instant force projection (a Taser). More tools in the toolbox to give us more strategic capabilities is a plus in my book.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the article...
"The Falcon(what the article is about) started life in 2003, part of a US military research project to build a plane that could reach (and potentially deliver bombs to) any part of the world in less than an hour."
Now imagine a bomb in Bin Laden's lap before the end of day, on 9/11.</div></div>
Again so it would be an expensive ICBM.</div></div>
As has been pointed out in various stategy venues, the only immediate form of kinetic power that can be exerted at will, anywhere in the world at any time, is an ICBM. Within one hour of a precipitating event, we can nuke anything we want on the planet. Should we wish to do anything <span style="font-weight: bold">less</span> than glass a given target, there are precisely zero reliable options available. Tomahawks must be deployed <span style="font-style: italic">from</span> something, and that something has to be put into place and readied before it can do so. If your target is more than a thousand miles or so from safe waters to launch from, you're out of luck. Bombers can take the better part of an entire day to prep and sortie...and survivability against a serious modern military isn't guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination.
What the military wants is an unstoppable, virtually instantaneous method of delivering sufficient explosives and/or kinetic energy against a high-priority tactical target, anywhere in the world, at any time, regardless of any other geopolitical or operational constraints. In simplistic terms, we're capable of escalating to lethal force (nukes), or physical contact (conventional bombing), but we lack any form of intermediate instant force projection (a Taser). More tools in the toolbox to give us more strategic capabilities is a plus in my book.
Re: fastest plane in the world
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Shades of Heinlein's <span style="font-style: italic">The Moon is a Harsh Mistress</span>. </div></div>
Most sci-fi stories follow that format.
Reality is soothingly different though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Shades of Heinlein's <span style="font-style: italic">The Moon is a Harsh Mistress</span>. </div></div>
Most sci-fi stories follow that format.
Reality is soothingly different though.
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