Feds collecting garbage in Portland

[seanh]

How would we all feel, if this was a Pro-2nd Amendment protest, and a Democratic administration injected unidentified armed officers in unmarked rental mini-vans for grab-and-go detainment and questioning in undisclosed locations.

We'd all be having kittens we'd be so mad. Wringing of hands ... Gnashing of teeth ... How could they ... Harrumph Harrumph !!!

Let's just remember that the civil rights that are trampled upon against people we don't like ... may someday be our own civil rights that are trampled upon.

These officers should be clearly badged with agency identification, their vehicles should be clearly marked, they should be operating in municipal territory with the knowledge and permission of local authorities, and everyone being detained should be told the reason and afforded their entitled civil rights.

Let's just be careful about how excited we are that the federal government is doing this ... because IMHO, it's wrong irrespective of the current White House occupant, or the cause being protested for or against.

Listen to this again...
If your violently protesting, looting, going out of your way to keep people from there peaceful right to life, provide for their family, right to work, freeling easily go to the store as they please Etc....YOU ARE A TERRORIST. If pro-second Amendment people are doing this... They are terrorists just like antifa... execute them on the spot, Let the Bodies litter the streets.

 

[deersniper]

Wake up

Start shooting those who protect the commies and persecute the people that support freedom.

Lmk how that works out

 

[Maggot]

How would we all feel, if this was a Pro-2nd Amendment protest, and a Democratic administration injected unidentified armed officers in unmarked rental mini-vans for grab-and-go detainment and questioning in undisclosed locations.

We'd all be having kittens we'd be so mad. Wringing of hands ... Gnashing of teeth ... How could they ... Harrumph Harrumph !!!

Let's just remember that the civil rights that are trampled upon against people we don't like ... may someday be our own civil rights that are trampled upon.

These officers should be clearly badged with agency identification, their vehicles should be clearly marked, they should be operating in municipal territory with the knowledge and permission of local authorities, and everyone being detained should be told the reason and afforded their entitled civil rights.

Let's just be careful about how excited we are that the federal government is doing this ... because IMHO, it's wrong irrespective of the current White House occupant, or the cause being protested for or against.

Ever been to a 2A rally. I missed the one in richmond cause I was injured but lets see...

# of cars burnt-0
# of cops assaulted-0
# of stores looted-0
In fact as I remember there wasnt even any garbage to clean up.

On the other hand have a look at Seattle after CHOP

 

[seanh]

Please stop confusing the issue with facts. All that does is take the Sheep's argument from them

 

[kriller134]

Hahaha “we got you friend” shut up bitch you ain’t got shit

 

[seanh]

We got you... We'll get you out...
Appear to be terrorists supporters... grab them to.

The guys in camo should have yellow antifa appropriately plastered on their uniforms

 

[Threadcutter308]

Hahaha “we got you friend” shut up bitch you ain’t got shit

My skin crawls along with almost violent laughter when I hear "Use your words". Sanctimonious bitch.

FFS

 

[Greg Langelius *]

There comes a point where we all need to accept that the one size fits all legislative dictation of a legal system is never going to cover the actual needs on the street. The difference between Trump and the Mayors is that they throw up their hands, or even throw in with the street trash; and Trump rolls up his sleeves, and puts motivated LE on the streets.

This confronts Posse Comitatus. But somebody has to confront it.

Posse Comitatus is founded on reserving domestic law enforcement for non-military agencies. But this presumes that domestic Law Enforcement agencies are willing and able to pick up this gauntlet. Socialist indoctrinated Mayors and Prosecutors have deliberately restricted any such response, thereby abrogating their elected responsibilities, and invalidating their rights to inhabit and exercise public office.

This forms an egregious enforcement gap that must be filled if the rule of law is to be upheld. If the Locals won't; somebody must, and only the federals can.

We are watching the internally crafted dismantling of the Democratic Party.

Communists have always employed joinerism to infiltrate and destroy their opponent governments from within. The Democratic party is simply the weakest vessel available to be infiltrated, and it has been. It deliberately never had a consistent message, and now it has a lot of eye candy posing as a message and pushing extremism.

They got what they deserved.

Greg

 

[308pirate]

There comes a point where we all need to accept that the one size fits all legislative dictation of a legal system is never going to cover the actual needs on the street. The difference between Trump and the Mayors is that they throw up their hands, or even throw in with the street trash; and Trump rolls up his sleeves, and puts motivated LE on the streets.

This confronts Posse Comitatus. But somebody has to confront it.

Posse Comitatus is founded on reserving domestic law enforcement for non-military agencies. But this presumes that domestic Law Enforcement agencies are willing and able to pick up this gauntlet. Socialist indoctrinated Mayors and Prosecutors have deliberately restricted any such response, thereby abrogating their elected responsibilities, and invalidating their rights to inhabit public office.

This forms an egregious enforcement gap that must be filled if the rule of law is to be upheld. If the Locals won't; somebody must, and only the federals can.

We are watching the internally crafted dismantling of the Democratic Party.

Communists have always employed joinerism to infiltrate and destroy their opponent governments from within. The Democratic party is simply the weakest vessel available to be infiltrated, and it has been. It deliberately never had a consistent message, and now it has a lot of eye candy posing as a message and pushing extremism.

They got what they deserved.

Greg

Posse Comitatus doesn't even come close to applying in situations where federal law enforcement steps into local matters.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

 

[Greg Langelius *]

OK, I'll buy that; it doesn't, and I have no unique new insight on the matter. I don't disagree with you.

We need some new thinking here. We have been gorging on a steady diet of new Communist thinking as yet.

Enlighten me. Tell us how we resolve any of this. Explain how we get any of it through a Democratic Congress. Inaction is not a strategy. Somebody has to be the adult here. The alternatives are close to declaration of Martial Law, and I am not in favor of that; too many abuses ensue. They are NOT going to allow a free and honest election.

I'm not being a wise ass; I'd fully support a realistic suggestion.

 

[seanh]

My skin crawls along with almost violent laughter when I hear "Use your words". Sanctimonious bitch.

FFS

Okay... Hear my words...
"GUN!"
Pullside arm and kill said threat

 

[deersniper]

Cut the heads off the snake

What should be done with DAs who don’t prosecute rioters for rioting arson assault etc while simultaneously throwing the book at people who display firearms to keep rioters from destroying their property Were not allowed to talk about

 

[seanh]

How do we get it to a democratic Congress? Well that's pretty simple, round them all up. They'll have one opportunity to redeem themselves... That is to speak out against all terrorism. Any support of terrorism they get immediate death penalty. The first few that speak out and support of terrorist groups, engage in any bills that fund terrorist groups, cut their fuking head off right there in front of everybody.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

No. That is the trigger for a civil war, and end of the USA as offshore enemies physically invade in the midst of anarchy, Red Dawn in the flesh. It could even lead to a nuclear exchange.

Just no.

Greg

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Its as simple as the Local DA begin prosecuting rioters, if that doesnt happen then we are where we are at now

 

[Fig]

Our Founding Fathers were treasonous traitors, period. That’s what they were to the crown, and there’s no way around it.

If you think we should be nice to the communists and treat them like citizens rather than like treasonous traitors, then you’re going to have to prove to me that in both their words and deeds they will treat us as citizens and brothers should they seize control of our country...

The opposite is true. Your BEST hope is to go to a concentration camp, get re-educated , indoctrinated into Marxism, and to become part of the proletariat in forced labor. But, most likely we’ll all be shot for being veterans and counter revolutionaries. Not that you’ll remember this discussion, but when you’re at their mercy and you find they have none I will not feel very sorry for you.

By thinking we can win with Kingsburry rules you’re effectively on their side. Sorry, but that’s reality.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Exactly. Pull a page out of their own book, Resist socialist domination. They are our collective great societal cancer; treat them as such.

 

[acudaowner]

still think they are missing a lot of the actual trash , it walks around on two legs and yells a lot has no point nor purpose its easy to find it stands in crowds of other trash and it practices terrorism yet they keep letting that trash go .

 

[OldSalty]

Cut the heads off the snake

What should be done with DAs who don’t prosecute rioters for rioting arson assault etc while simultaneously throwing the book at people who display firearms to keep rioters from destroying their property Were not allowed to talk about

The money is the head of the snake...

 

[W54/XM-388]

OK, I'll buy that; it doesn't, and I have no unique new insight on the matter. I don't disagree with you.

We need some new thinking here. We have been gorging on a steady diet of new Communist thinking as yet.

Enlighten me. Tell us how we resolve any of this. Explain how we get any of it through a Democratic Congress. Inaction is not a strategy. Somebody has to be the adult here. The alternatives are close to declaration of Martial Law, and I am not in favor of that; too many abuses ensue. They are NOT going to allow a free and honest election.

I'm not being a wise ass; I'd fully support a realistic suggestion.

I'm pretty sure the time when it could have been stopped is long past.
The "Good" folks have slavishly worshiped the laws of man instead of truth and justice for way too long and as such are now prisoners of the chains they forged for others. The large standing armies and police forces the "good folks" happily paid for will answer to the political leaders who count on the "just follow orders" indoctrination.

You might delay it for a short time, but evil is going to have it's day in the sun.

The good folks would be well advised, while of course doing everything they can to slow down the ultimate rise of evil, prepare themselves to make it through the dark times so they or their descendants will still be carrying the light of freedom when the time to overthrow evil is ready.

The "Good" folks in this country don't stand much of a chance, they can't even agree to keep the 2A as a first class right but are happy to relegate it to a second or third class right because.... muh... criminals......

The "Good" folks in this country can't even rally around a decent candidate because they are not ideologically perfect in 20 different ways and.... I've got to vote muh conscience....

The good folks don't go getting in the school teacher's and administrators faces in a big way when propaganda is fed to the kids in any large scale way.

While the evil works day and night without stop at every level to bring their global agenda to pass, the good folks are all to likely to take a victory or two and then go back to ignoring the slow creep of evil in every facet of society.

The good folks not only have too much to loose to do what needs to be done, but they know their fellow good folks won't support them if they do what needs to be done, unlike the evil side.

All this current unlawful unrest could easily be ended by dealing with a very small group of folks who are providing the financing and pumping out the propaganda that drives events.

Good folks talk about big bad Russia while going to walmart to buy more made in China stuff because it's cheap, and funding the real enemy who is actively engaged in a global power play both abroad as well as domestically in this country using the money we give them.

Be very careful because ANY power you give the government at this point WILL be used against you very soon. Whatever you wish Trump would be doing, is what his successors of the Communist Party will be doing to you when you don't go along with the plan.

I don't have an optimistic view of what will happen in the short term barring some non human intervention or some crazy black swan event that not even the elites see coming.

 

[308pirate]

No. That is the trigger for a civil war, and end of the USA as offshore enemies physically invade in the midst of anarchy, Red Dawn in the flesh. It could even lead to a nuclear exchange.

Just no.

Greg

The time for your kind of solutions has come...........and gone.

 

[Maggot]

Lol, not at all. He proposed a hypothetical what if and I answered, hypothetically speaking of course.

I'm pretty sure the time when it could have been stopped is long past.
The "Good" folks have slavishly worshiped the laws of man instead of truth and justice for way too long and as such are now prisoners of the chains they forged for others. The large standing armies and police forces the "good folks" happily paid for will answer to the political leaders who count on the "just follow orders" indoctrination.

You might delay it for a short time, but evil is going to have it's day in the sun.

The good folks would be well advised, while of course doing everything they can to slow down the ultimate rise of evil, prepare themselves to make it through the dark times so they or their descendants will still be carrying the light of freedom when the time to overthrow evil is ready.

The "Good" folks in this country don't stand much of a chance, they can't even agree to keep the 2A as a first class right but are happy to relegate it to a second or third class right because.... muh... criminals......

The "Good" folks in this country can't even rally around a decent candidate because they are not ideologically perfect in 20 different ways and.... I've got to vote muh conscience....

The good folks don't go getting in the school teacher's and administrators faces in a big way when propaganda is fed to the kids in any large scale way.

While the evil works day and night without stop at every level to bring their global agenda to pass, the good folks are all to likely to take a victory or two and then go back to ignoring the slow creep of evil in every facet of society.

The good folks not only have too much to loose to do what needs to be done, but they know their fellow good folks won't support them if they do what needs to be done, unlike the evil side.

All this current unlawful unrest could easily be ended by dealing with a very small group of folks who are providing the financing and pumping out the propaganda that drives events.

Good folks talk about big bad Russia while going to walmart to buy more made in China stuff because it's cheap, and funding the real enemy who is actively engaged in a global power play both abroad as well as domestically in this country using the money we give them.

Be very careful because ANY power you give the government at this point WILL be used against you very soon. Whatever you wish Trump would be doing, is what his successors of the Communist Party will be doing to you when you don't go along with the plan.

I don't have an optimistic view of what will happen in the short term barring some non human intervention or some crazy black swan event that not even the elites see coming.

Goddamn, Im glad Im 70 and not 17.

Ill try to die on my feet but even if they put me in an interment camp I wont be there long.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Please just let these little wizards end up in Guantanamo...

Sirhr

 

[W54/XM-388]

Goddamn, Im glad Im 70 and not 17.

Ill try to die on my feet but even if they put me in an interment camp I wont be there long.

You might be able to do more than you think. When you can honestly say "Fuck it, what are they going to do, cut short my young life?" you have the kind of freedom of action that a lot of young folks don't have since they are worried about that whole staying alive and the future and hope business.........

 

[DuneBoer]

We aren’t on a battlefield


But your attitude is part of the reason the left and statist have mass spying on US citizens right now.

Yet....
Spy away motherfuckers. I'm in the book. Zero shits given and I'm the last guy you should be concerned about. Believe me.

 

[Threadcutter308]

What if i prefer to jump to conclusions or pick a side before any facts are presented?

One question;

In what way would that make you unique ?

 

[Threadcutter308]

Yet....
Spy away motherfuckers. I'm in the book. Zero shits given and I'm the last guy you should be concerned about. Believe me.

When inventing a boogeyman for the masses to prop up in the media, one cannot afford to be too particular........

 

[308pirate]

Please just let these little wizards end up in Guantanamo...

Sirhr

 

[tadawson]

We got you... We'll get you out...
Appear to be terrorists supporters... grab them to.

The guys in camo should have yellow antifa appropriately plastered on their uniforms

Would that be a face mask printed to look like a d!ck in the mouth, or ? ? ?

 

[seanh]

If you think a mask is going to shut that cockholster up than sure use the mask.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

They need sherif Grady

 

[EddieNFL]

What type of camouflage does one wear in the city?

If the article were a book, it would have an 'F' on the spine.

 

[Mr.BR]

When CCP does it its dictatorship , when federales in US do it freedom fries.

 

[JakeM]

I highly doubt there are just picking up random people. They probably have gone over security footage and video shared on SM and are now arresting the people responsible for the violence.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I highly doubt there are just picking up random people. They probably have gone over security footage and video shared on SM and are now arresting the people responsible for the violence.

They don’t need to look at videos. Just cell phone tracing and networking analysis.

Odds are they have the leadership pegged to 3 square feet and there is someone directing them to the exact iPhone 10 tracking device in their pockets.

they won’t id masked faces in a melee. But they sure can get told warmer, warmer, warmer... red hot. Grab that one.

sirhr

 

[Maser]

Anyone else see them vids out of Chicago (I think) where Antifa and BLM looters made the mistake of trying to pull their nonsense in Latin King territory and instantly regretted it?

 

[E. Bryant]

Anyone else see them vids out of Chicago (I think) where Antifa and BLM looters made the mistake of trying to pull their nonsense in Latin King territory and instantly regretted it?

Na, but I can imagine about how well that would go. Lesse, a bunch of over-priviledged white kids from the suburbs who probably got through high school without ever getting into a proper street fight, trying to act all gangster in real-gangster territory?

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

"In a statement, the U.S. Marshals Service declined to comment on the practice of using unmarked vehicles, but said their officers had not arrested Pettibone.

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?"

So, whats really happening, are dems running around black bagging people too make the fed look bad.

When this video first came out, I posted on Facebook that this was an Antifa setup, a fake video of a gestapo type arrest, to try to make the feds look bad. Notice in the video, no urgency, no overpowering control, no yelling, no resistance. Then they calmly walk back to mom’s minivan. Yeah, that sure looks like the work of a highly trained law enforcement agency. That asshole protestor was taken around the block and let go.

 

[SilentStalkr]

When this video first came out, I posted on Facebook that this was an Antifa setup, a fake video of a gestapo type arrest, to try to make the feds look bad. Notice in the video, no urgency, no overpowering control, no yelling, no resistance. Then they calmly walk back to mom’s minivan. Yeah, that sure looks like the work of a highly trained law enforcement agency. That asshole protestor was taken around the block and let go.

I was thinking the same thing. The entire thing was odd.

 

[Maggot]

Anyone else see them vids out of Chicago (I think) where Antifa and BLM looters made the mistake of trying to pull their nonsense in Latin King territory and instantly regretted it?

Link?

 

[Maggot]

I love this one...Nice right cross to the kisser

 

[supercorndogs]

Is that what would have happened in Portland, had they not had everyone scared hiding from the Rona?

 

[Maggot]

Anyone else see them vids out of Chicago (I think) where Antifa and BLM looters made the mistake of trying to pull their nonsense in Latin King territory and instantly regretted it?

Found it.

1. In Chicago, Hispanic Gangs Protect Their Neighborhoods From ...
   legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/in-chicago...
   Create a vacuum, and it will be filled. In Chicago’s Hispanic neighborhoods, the Latin Kings and other street gangs are reportedly stepping up and doing what their elected officials and police departments have not been able to do: protecting their neighborhood businesses from arsonists and looters.

 

[Det. John McClane]

In the one video I saw where guys wearing camo put a guy in a mini-van, the detainee did not resist and it looked they they may not have even cuffed him. The guy put his hands behind his back like he was cuffed, but there was not enough time to cuff him. It could have been an extraction of an undercover cop. It could have been staged propaganda. It could have been something else entirely. But it wasn't violent and there was minimal, if any, resistance.

 

[Unknown]

Here are some of the questions OPB asked in their written article...even though I'm not a federal employee, I can easily answer the questions.

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including:

What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? People get arrested where they are found once a warrant is issued, or they are the suspect of a crime. Crimes can occur away from Federal property. Border Patrol has jurisdiction to make arrests within 100 miles of any US border, and Portland is within 100 miles of the pacific coast border.

What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? If a warrant was issued, they get picked up and searched..same if they are suspected of having committed a crime at an earlier time.

Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? There has been so much rioting, looting, and criminal activity, there just aren't enough marked cars to go around, so they use what they can get.

Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? Yes. If so, how? IF a judge has issued a warrant, or the officers have probable cause to make an arrest, then the arrests are legal. It has long been that way.

 

[Redmanss]

Let Portlanders be weird all they want. Shut down the federal building, move all USG operations to Coeur d'Alene, ID, take federal funding with it.

I'm serious here, fuck Portland. Let it rot in its own filth.

 

[rustyinbend]

So you're assuming that
A) The story is true and
B) If true, there were no warrants or probably cause to make arrests

As far as the rest (assuming this story is true)
1. You don't know how these cops were dressed. As far as I'm concerned a multicam uniform with police across the front and back and agency shoulder patches is good to go. Obviously ID credentials need to be carried but those are never on display

2. Police in this country have been using unmarked vehicles for all sorts of law enforcement functions for decades. That's a non starter.

3. Federal police have the right to operate without local government consent everywhere in the US except for indian reservations. Settled legal principle. Done.

4. How do you know, if this is even true, that those detained had their rights violated? Because some communists said so? LOL

One word ... "Video" ... there's tons of video of the officers, the detainments, and the exits in Avis rental mini-vans.
The core question is ... if this was a 2nd Amendment rally and it happened to those attendees ... would we be OK with that?
(Hint: I'm not.)

 

[308pirate]

One word ... "Video" ... there's tons of video of the officers, the detainments, and the exits in Avis rental mini-vans.
The core question is ... if this was a 2nd Amendment rally and it happened to those attendees ... would we be OK with that?
(Hint: I'm not.)

You do realize that video can be staged/fake. Right?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Interesting, I just took my NM CCW refresher course and within one of the three reasons for self defense:

"...or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in necessarily and lawfully keeping and preserving the peace."

 

[EddieNFL]

One word ... "Video" ... there's tons of video of the officers, the detainments, and the exits in Avis rental mini-vans.
The core question is ... if this was a 2nd Amendment rally and it happened to those attendees ... would we be OK with that?
(Hint: I'm not.)

Since we're playing make-believe...If an unmarked van rolls up on a 2nd rally and arrests a convicted felon carrying a firearm...I'm okay with that.