Female Sniper 309 confirmed kills.

Yeah, it is true. Research Goodbye Darkness and learn from William Manchester, who was also a Raider.

I never said Eleanor herself killed the Marine Raiders but if she was the Hillary behind the scenes and with her hard-on for the Raiders then I'm going assume she something to do with it.


William Manchester is suspected of a little stolen valor, some of his personal events in that book are perhaps not factual.....great book though.

I think he got in a little late for the Raider era.

Okinawa was no joke, his even being there is enough to be prideful of, he didnt need to embellish.

Again Jimmy Roosevelt, Elenors son, was a Raider, probably a plank holding Raider. She didnt have anything to do with their disbandment.

The upper echelons didnt like the idea of "An Elite within an Elite".

They also needed new divisions and a veteran cadre to build them around. The Raiders and Paramarines became the nucleus for the 4th and 5th Divisions.
 
Here is Eleanor Roosevelt's comment about the Marines;

The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!​

Beyond that, I have so little knowledge compared to all other posters here, I am going to reserve any further comment. I remain fascinated to wait upon further comment from those, much smarter than I. Please carry on Gentlemen. (y) (y) (y)


Her comment was actually a compliment and an Acknowledgement of "Toxic Masculinity" at a time when Masculinity was not considered toxic.

So unPC....she will be cancelled soon.
 
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As and aside from our discussion; when Bill 'Slim' Manchester described the hut on the Okinawa beach as hiding a Jap sniper and kicking the door in only to find an empty room of a two room shack, I reimagine that scene in my head.

Robin fat Japanese soldier in a too small uniform tangled up in his sniper's sling...


But did it happen.....as well the sniper scene where he slings up.

Not many fat Japanese at that date in the war.....

Map readers have a place in history too....


 
But did it happen.....as well the sniper scene where he slings up.

Not many fat Japanese at that date in the war.....

Map readers have a place in history too....


Well fuck.

Was Manchester even a Raider?

My dad was a Marine in the Pacific theater and we returned to Okinawa as a family where I lived until '59 when I was five. He became founder and chief editor of the Morning Star Newspaper.

We had a paradise-like, cinder block home on a bluff with banana tree grove overlooking the China Sea which belied what was a hellish kill zone less than a decade earlier. Below was the beach where we played and strolled. One day we found a helmet buried in the sand with a bullet hole in it. My mother threw up and led us away.

Some mornings they would conduct parachute drops over the ocean onto the atolls a mile out in the bay and sitting in the house the parachutes coming out of the plane would look like a string of cotton balls drifting down to the water.

The mountainside above us was a mysterious place full of caves where my native nanny told me in Japanese, my first language which I have now forgotten, that if I was bad and didn't take my nap, these mythical monsters that lived in the cave would come down and steal me.

Our Japanese gardener Papa-san took my little ass for a walk up there once and we ran into what was, to the best of my recollection, some type of Japanese shaman. He was dressed in a strange costume with little bells and ornaments that clinked when he moved and carried a staff. Our gardener spoke with him and I remember him tousling my red hair and asking the shaman in Japanese something to the effect "...isn't he a good one?"
 
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Well fuck.

Was Manchester even a Raider?

My dad was a Marine in the Pacific theater and we returned to Okinawa as a family where I lived until '59 when I was five. He became founder and chief editor of the Morning Star Newspaper.

We had a paradise-like, cinder block home on a bluff with banana tree grove overlooking the China Sea which belied what was a hellish kill zone less than a decade earlier. Below was the beach where we played and strolled. One day we found a helmet buried in the sand with a bullet hole in it. My mother threw up and led us away.

Some mornings they would conduct parachute drops over the ocean onto the atolls a mile out in the bay and sitting in the house the parachutes coming out of the plane would look like a string of cotton balls drifting down to the water.

The mountainside above us was a mysterious place full of caves where my native nanny told me in Japanese, my first language which I have now forgotten, that if I was bad and didn't take my nap, these mythical monsters that lived in the cave would come down and steal me.

Our Japanese gardener Papa-san took my little ass for a walk up there once and we ran into what was, to the best of my recollection, some type of Japanese shaman. He was dressed in a strange costume with little bells and ornaments that clinked when he moved and carried a staff. Our gardener spoke with him and I remember him tousling my red hair and asking the shaman in Japanese something to the effect "...isn't he a good one?"


I was in Oki much later. Its a mystical place.

I wish I hadnt been so young and dumb, had made more of my opportunities there.

Only boonie stomping we did was last week or so of my tour. We walked the beach just behind Schwab. There were a number of sealed off caves. In a rock cavern I found a lower jaw.

I arrived there April 1, 1987, 42 years to the day after the landings. There was still shit there but Japan being a modern place alot was cleaned up/built over.

My biggest regret was when I was in Russia in 1988....I bet the battlefields there were still covered with shit. Its only recently when they have been aboe to sell their finds that people have gone out and raided those battle fields.

and William Manchester was a map reader not a Raider. He played an important role too bad he embellished.
 
I was in Oki much later. Its a mystical place.

I wish I hadnt been so young and dumb, had made more of my opportunities there.

Only boonie stomping we did was last week or so of my tour. We walked the beach just behind Schwab. There were a number of sealed off caves. In a rock cavern I found a lower jaw.

I arrived there April 1, 1987, 42 years to the day after the landings. There was still shit there but Japan being a modern place alot was cleaned up/built over.

My biggest regret was when I was in Russia in 1988....I bet the battlefields there were still covered with shit. Its only recently when they have been aboe to sell their finds that people have gone out and raided those battle fields.

and William Manchester was a map reader not a Raider. He played an important role too bad he embellished.
He said after Bobby Kennedy's assassination he said he threw his .45, I assume the one he carried in service, off a pier into the ocean.

My dad was a hard charging, hard drinking war correspondent after the war and member of Okinawa's Yacht Club. That was a mixture and waterhole of other correspondents, military officers and ex pats. My mom said Joe Rosenthal of the Associated Press, who took the famous flag raising photo on Iwo Jima,
was a regular and had his own piano on the corner where he would play. Mom said they called him 'Rosy'.
Damn those guys could drink. I was the son of an alcoholic, boo hoo, woe is me. Most any kid of that generation was the son of an alcoholic and we all loved our dads and wouldn't have wanted them to change.

My dad an over coat with special pockets sewn in to carry his notebooks and small liquor bottles. He was a walking bar. Mom said she dropped him off at the airport on his way to cover a war and he clanked when he boarded the plane.
 
He said after Bobby Kennedy's assassination he said he threw his .45, I assume the one he carried in service, off a pier into the ocean.

My dad was a hard charging, hard drinking war correspondent after the war and member of Okinawa's Yacht Club. That was a mixture and waterhole of other correspondents, military officers and ex pats. My mom said Joe Rosenthal of the Associated Press, who took the famous flag raising photo on Iwo Jima,
was a regular and had his own piano on the corner where he would play. Mom said they called him 'Rosy'.
Damn those guys could drink. I was the son of an alcoholic, boo hoo, woe is me. Most any kid of that generation was the son of an alcoholic and we all loved our dads and wouldn't have wanted them to change.

My dad an over coat with special pockets sewn in to carry his notebooks and small liquor bottles. He was a walking bar. Mom said she dropped him off at the airport on his way to cover a war and he clanked when he boarded the plane.


Toxic masculinity is not always easy but it produces people that win wars and build/do great things.

Im sure you had your moments but like you said you wouldnt have changed a thing.
 
and William Manchester was a map reader not a Raider. He played an important role too bad he embellished.
I looked at Manchester's picture in Goodbye Darkness and TBO, I couldn't see him as a Marine Raider, which added to his mystic as a stealthy, born killer.

He doesn't have that Chesty Puller bulldog look but almost an effeminate look about him, more like
Pvt. Upham in Saving Private Ryan.

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This Eleanor Roosevelt?

The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
 
I looked at Manchester's picture in Goodbye Darkness and TBO, I couldn't see him as a Marine Raider, which added to his mystic as a stealthy, born killer.

He doesn't have that Chesty Puller bulldog look but almost an effeminate look about him, more like
Pvt. Upham in Saving Private Ryan.

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Audie Murphy certainly didnt fit the mold and whats really weird his public personality was nothing like his memoir personality.

That movie star was hard core when in the military yet post war his public personna was "the boy next door".

He dealt with a lot of shit behind closed doors apparently.

This dude looks like the bad ass he is....

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The stories indicate the book matched the cover.
 
Audie Murphy certainly didnt fit the mold and whats really weird his public personality was nothing like his memoir personality.

That movie star was hard core when in the military yet post war his public personna was "the boy next door".

He dealt with a lot of shit behind closed doors apparently.

This dude looks like the bad ass he is....

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The stories indicate the book matched the cover.
Yeah... it's always the little guys! Don't judge a book.

This guy, for example! The nerdiest guy ever to slit more throats than a division of samurai!

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Mike "Roger" Vining.

Sirhr
 
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Yeah... it's always the little guys! Don't judge a book.

This guy, for example! The nerdiest guy ever to slit more throats than a division of samurai!

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Mike "Roger" Vining.

Sirhr
I was watching Larry Vickers review Siccario 2, and in a big shootout scene there is a cia contractor with the famous marine birth control glasses.

Vickers thought it was a reference to Mike Vining.
 
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Audie Murphy certainly didnt fit the mold and whats really weird his public personality was nothing like his memoir personality.

That movie star was hard core when in the military yet post war his public personna was "the boy next door".

He dealt with a lot of shit behind closed doors apparently.

This dude looks like the bad ass he is....

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The stories indicate the book matched the cover.

if i remember correctly, my grandfather had interesting things to say about Audie. We lost him in the 90s, and i dont remember his specific comments but ill ask my Dad. A lot had to do with many guys did as much as Audie, and many were wounded more severely, but he got the recognition because he had the Hollywood pretty face, etc. (This is me paraphrasing his thoughts, im not diminishing anything Murphy did at all).

My grandfather spent two years in a recovery hospital stateside after taking machine gun bullets to his arm and body in Italy. Apparently he knew Audie. My need to revisit this with my father intensifies.
 
if i remember correctly, my grandfather had interesting things to say about Audie. We lost him in the 90s, and i dont remember his specific comments but ill ask my Dad. A lot had to do with many guys did as much as Audie, and many were wounded more severely, but he got the recognition because he had the Hollywood pretty face, etc. (This is me paraphrasing his thoughts, im not diminishing anything Murphy did at all).

My grandfather spent two years in a recovery hospital stateside after taking machine gun bullets to his arm and body in Italy. Apparently he knew Audie. My need to revisit this with my father intensifies.
Murphy did some amazing things... He earned a lot of decorations before he got the Medal of Honor.

But I think he, like most Medal of Honor recipients, would say that he got recognized for what his buddies in the unit had done... just as much as they had. That The Medal was for them... he just got the privilege of wearing it.

I don't think I have ever heard of a MoH or VC recipient who thought they deserved it. Perhaps that's the mark of a real hero.

I've only met one... David Bellavia. And he most certainly believes that 'his' medal belongs to his team. Not him. He is just holding onto it for them. An amazing and humble human being.

Sirhr
 
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if i remember correctly, my grandfather had interesting things to say about Audie. We lost him in the 90s, and i dont remember his specific comments but ill ask my Dad. A lot had to do with many guys did as much as Audie, and many were wounded more severely, but he got the recognition because he had the Hollywood pretty face, etc. (This is me paraphrasing his thoughts, im not diminishing anything Murphy did at all).

My grandfather spent two years in a recovery hospital stateside after taking machine gun bullets to his arm and body in Italy. Apparently he knew Audie. My need to revisit this with my father intensifies.

That is not untrue.

Lots of guys did amazing things and never got recognition.

Ask any Medal of Honor wearer what the medal means and they will tell you its not about them, they wear it for others that never got the recognition.
 
Murphy did some amazing things... He earned a lot of decorations before he got the Medal of Honor.

But I think he, like most Medal of Honor recipients, would say that he got recognized for what his buddies in the unit had done... just as much as they had. That The Medal was for them... he just got the privilege of wearing it.

I don't think I have ever heard of a MoH or VC recipient who thought they deserved it. Perhaps that's the mark of a real hero.

I've only met one... David Bellavia. And he most certainly believes that 'his' medal belongs to his team. Not him. He is just holding onto it for them. An amazing and humble human being.

Sirhr

Audie Murphy comes off as a very tough soldier in his own memoir. There is less the "Boy Next Door" more the extremely competent soldier with a hard edge.

David Bellavia is a true Patriot.