Rifle Scopes FFP on lower power scope

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I'm looking at a new scope, max power would be 10-12x. Am I going to realize all of the benefits of going with a FFP scope, or do you only see those benefits as you get to higher power scopes. Namely I'm looking at the Nightforce 2.5-10 (mildot SFP) and the IOR 2.5-10 (MP8 FFP)
 
Re: FFP on lower power scope

I never really understood FFP on 10x and lower optics myself. Sure some find a need as there are many models that have this feature so obviously people are buying them.

Just about every variable optic with a top end of 10X ranges at 10X. So its a simple task to simply turn the ring till it stops and range the target. On higher power optics you may have the ranging set at 10x with a top end of 24X...how do you know that you are always exactly at the same power each time you range. This is where FFP reaally shines. Finally some recent optics feature detents at midpoint ranging powers which makes sense IOR being one of them however this is only applicable to higher magnification optics.

Anyways I have owned FFP USO SN3 10x and SN6 6x and found it very difficult to accuratly use the scale of the ret...probably my vision has alot to do with it. I purchased these optics because they were USO and could care less if they were SFP or FFP because I only used them to range at max power. Have owned a few MK4 SFP and its the same story but the difference was I HAD to range at 10x whereas with the USO's it was by choice to do so at max power.

If it were me I would liik more at the quality of the optic and less at comparing SFP and FFP for this mag range.

FWIW i would go with the NF of the two mentioned but its a preferance based on the features both are good optics.
 
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I have no use for an SFP scope in any magnification range. Implemented properly, an FFP reticle will be visible down at lower magnification. Case in point, IOR's MP8-X1 at 1x:

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The reality is, that when you've dialed down to a magnification below 3ish, you're likely shooting at a close distance where even a duplex reticle would do the job.

The real advantage of FFP is speed, and to fully take advantage of all of it's uses, you need a reticle like the one above. Something like the regular MP8 lets you measure and correct, which is nice. But, you're not going to see a huge difference between shooting an SFP scope and an FFP one if all of your shooting is deliberate type shooting where you have all of the time in the world to think about math and adjust turrets. Is just makes things a bit easier and more convenient.

Where you will see a huge difference between the two is in situations where you don't have time to make a turret adjustment, when making one cost you the opportunity to get off a shot before your target disappears. This may be a target that's running for cover, is just exposing itself momentarily, or maybe you want to engage several targets at multiple distances very quickly. That is where FFP (with a proper reticle) really shines. With a reticle like the one above, you have something that you can use like a BDC at any magnification, instead of touching the turrets. Just keep your turrets zeroed when you're moving, and if you need to engage something quickly, you can just shoulder the rifle, start firing and use the reticle for lead, elevation and wind holds.

I wouldn't buy an SFP scope, but I also wouldn't buy an FFP one with a simple reticle like the MP8. If you want all of the advantages of FFP, you need a reticle that lets you do combinations of elevations + target lead + wind holds.
 
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kombayotch,

Can you give us a pic on 4x and 8x please.

That reticle is actually a pretty good size and layout at 1x! I'm surprised. Is the line thickness .1 mill? How about the dot size?

Thanks
 
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I borrowed the pic from the Liberty Optics Website. They have lots of good reticle pics.

I don't have this reticle, but I do have Premier Gen2 XR reticles, and I can tell you that when I hunt with them, far fewer critters make it to the woods or down their holes than they did with my old SFP scopes. With a setup like that, you aren't limited to only taking shots when you get the opportunity to dial things in.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't buy an SFP scope, but I also wouldn't buy an FFP one with a simple reticle like the MP8. If you want all of the advantages of FFP, you need a reticle that lets you do combinations of elevations + target lead + wind holds. </div></div>

Some valid points made here. I think the trend towards dual use optics will bring fourth some very diverse offerings, these being ideal for 308 gas guns that allow use as both a red dot and a precision optic.

Looking at the pic above and those on liberty's site it appears to be a dual focal plane optic. Looks like the dot is SFP and the ret is FFP, could be mistaken but if going by the pic above at 1X if the dot were also FFP it would be the size of a VW at 10X. So best of both worlds would be ideal I agree.
 
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Dual focal plane or a feature in the first focal plane that becomes a small illuminated dot is the way to go in a dual use AR optic. The ability to use the reticle as a BDC still applies at magnifications below 10x. Reticle aren't just for ranging, that's probably the thing you will use the reticle for the least in an FFP scope.