Anyone ever use David Tubb's Final Finish .22lr rimfire on their rimfire trainer? If so, then what were your results, and would you recommend this product or not? Is it worth the effort and the price?
Final Finish
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cleans the rifling right out of the barrel. In other words it is the last resort to a no shooter before a barrel replacement.
cleans the rifling right out of the barrel. In other words it is the last resort to a no shooter before a barrel replacement.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cleans the rifling right out of the barrel. In other words it is the last resort to a no shooter before a barrel replacement.</div></div>
Is this from experience, or has this result been published anywhere? Thanks!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cleans the rifling right out of the barrel. In other words it is the last resort to a no shooter before a barrel replacement.</div></div>
Is this from experience, or has this result been published anywhere? Thanks!
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If you look at what it does, and what it is made of. It is self explanatory. Shoot an email off to Lilja, Bartlein barrels, Voltquartsen etc. and ask them if they will warranty their barrel after a treatment.
If you look at what it does, and what it is made of. It is self explanatory. Shoot an email off to Lilja, Bartlein barrels, Voltquartsen etc. and ask them if they will warranty their barrel after a treatment.
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I personally would not use this. Reading what it does tells me it can only harm a perfectly good barrel. If the barrel were shot out, and .22's rimfires don't get shot out, it could help. But then just get a new barrel. As said in a previous post , contact reputable barrel makers and see what they say. I doubt any of them will stand by their barrel after using this product. Hand lapping is a bettermethod, and you better know what you are doing. I'll leave thaat to the experts.
I personally would not use this. Reading what it does tells me it can only harm a perfectly good barrel. If the barrel were shot out, and .22's rimfires don't get shot out, it could help. But then just get a new barrel. As said in a previous post , contact reputable barrel makers and see what they say. I doubt any of them will stand by their barrel after using this product. Hand lapping is a bettermethod, and you better know what you are doing. I'll leave thaat to the experts.
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There really is no use for the FF on a custom barrel as they have been lapped already. So for those who argue that lilja, et al won't warranty with its use, duh, that's not what its for. However, if you are starting with a questionable factory barrel, what's the risk. Even if you suspect David Tubb of selling snake oil, my bet is there is something behind him developing the product.
I saw improvement with two factory remington barrels with respect to reducing fouling and making for much easier cleanup. Accuracy didn't so much improve as much as both guns seemed to become more consistent.
If you do a search there a few threads with deeper discussion.
There really is no use for the FF on a custom barrel as they have been lapped already. So for those who argue that lilja, et al won't warranty with its use, duh, that's not what its for. However, if you are starting with a questionable factory barrel, what's the risk. Even if you suspect David Tubb of selling snake oil, my bet is there is something behind him developing the product.
I saw improvement with two factory remington barrels with respect to reducing fouling and making for much easier cleanup. Accuracy didn't so much improve as much as both guns seemed to become more consistent.
If you do a search there a few threads with deeper discussion.
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I've used it on 308 factory barrel that shot "Well" - and now it shoots MUCH more "Well" - as well as my Kreiger shot.
I would probably not use it on a 22 unless you have 5000 rds and accuracy is dropping off - THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR.
It's not snake oil, it's just a way to improve the throat of a rifle that is either cheap, or has many thousands of rounds through it.
Would not recommend for a 22 tho, but I don't shoot 22 competition anymore.
DTubbs is the man, all time winning champion, he invents things for a reason - a reason that may be unseen or unknown to most of us amatuers. (Myself included).
But again I felt my accuracy went up on my 700's factory tube.
I've used it on 308 factory barrel that shot "Well" - and now it shoots MUCH more "Well" - as well as my Kreiger shot.
I would probably not use it on a 22 unless you have 5000 rds and accuracy is dropping off - THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR.
It's not snake oil, it's just a way to improve the throat of a rifle that is either cheap, or has many thousands of rounds through it.
Would not recommend for a 22 tho, but I don't shoot 22 competition anymore.
DTubbs is the man, all time winning champion, he invents things for a reason - a reason that may be unseen or unknown to most of us amatuers. (Myself included).
But again I felt my accuracy went up on my 700's factory tube.
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Many barrel makers will void your warranty if you use it. But, if the barrel is so bad that it is just about to be replaced, then the warranty may not be an issue.
Many barrel makers will void your warranty if you use it. But, if the barrel is so bad that it is just about to be replaced, then the warranty may not be an issue.
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i can't seem to find a price on the site.
if anything, i'd try gritty generic toothpaste or even automotive polishing compound or valve grinding compound and a cleaning rod with a patch and a few hours to "polish" it first before putting rounds down the pipe. i've done this on a few older rimfires and centerfires before with some consistancy improvements.
i'm with the others if the barrel is that bad, i'd just get another barrel.
i can't seem to find a price on the site.
if anything, i'd try gritty generic toothpaste or even automotive polishing compound or valve grinding compound and a cleaning rod with a patch and a few hours to "polish" it first before putting rounds down the pipe. i've done this on a few older rimfires and centerfires before with some consistancy improvements.
i'm with the others if the barrel is that bad, i'd just get another barrel.
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Hey Bach,
I hope you are not planning to do this to the Rem 40X HB I sold you......
Gene
Hey Bach,
I hope you are not planning to do this to the Rem 40X HB I sold you......
Gene
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Not sure about rimfires.
FF works wonders on factory barrels and doesn't clean the rifling out of them. Ahem.
Do not use on custom barrels.
Not sure about rimfires.
FF works wonders on factory barrels and doesn't clean the rifling out of them. Ahem.
Do not use on custom barrels.
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The grit used to coat FF bullets is finer than the lapping compound used to lap custom barrels, so I would really like to know how it would clean out the rifling.
I have used it on factory tubes with great results, never on 22lr though.
The grit used to coat FF bullets is finer than the lapping compound used to lap custom barrels, so I would really like to know how it would clean out the rifling.
I have used it on factory tubes with great results, never on 22lr though.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gszeto99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Bach,
I hope you are not planning to do this to the Rem 40X HB I sold you......
Gene</div></div>
No, definitely not, I've got quite a few other rimfires in the stable.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gszeto99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Bach,
I hope you are not planning to do this to the Rem 40X HB I sold you......
Gene</div></div>
No, definitely not, I've got quite a few other rimfires in the stable.
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I have used Final Finish on three 22lr barrels. The first was a Ruger MKII pistol. The second was a Ruger SP101 revolver and the third was a Thompson Contender rifle barrel. In all cases it dramatically reduced fouling and made the barrels more consistent. After using the product you can see that all of the finish marks run end to end and not across the bore. It also removes tight spots felt when the barrel is slugged.
As others have said, I would not use it on a quality match barrel but on common barrels with burrs in the lead and reamer marks in the bore I have had good results.
I have also used the NECO fire lapping treatment on several new higher caliber, non match, rifles and revolvers with very good results. The fire lapping definitely reduces fouling and makes cleaning easier. The reduced fouling is probably what makes the barrels more consistent.
I have used Final Finish on three 22lr barrels. The first was a Ruger MKII pistol. The second was a Ruger SP101 revolver and the third was a Thompson Contender rifle barrel. In all cases it dramatically reduced fouling and made the barrels more consistent. After using the product you can see that all of the finish marks run end to end and not across the bore. It also removes tight spots felt when the barrel is slugged.
As others have said, I would not use it on a quality match barrel but on common barrels with burrs in the lead and reamer marks in the bore I have had good results.
I have also used the NECO fire lapping treatment on several new higher caliber, non match, rifles and revolvers with very good results. The fire lapping definitely reduces fouling and makes cleaning easier. The reduced fouling is probably what makes the barrels more consistent.
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Hah, look at me reviving this ancient thread I found using using google search. I was actually trying to find where to buy the final finish cheapest and this thread was in my results.
I have used the Tubbs FF .22lr loaded ammo in a factory new Rem 597 auto. Results were unreal. 100yd groups with match ammo shrank by more than 300%.
Used the bullets in a 22-250 and 300wsm too, with more great results.
I have an old 30-30 with some rough spots in barrel, am now looking for best price so I can use them again.
You get five different grits of bullet, ten each. You don't have to starts with the coarsest grit, if you are running some match grade gear that just needs tweaking you can just run the last three. Guys from my club that shot rf silhouettes have had good results too in some hi-dollar rifles, 40x too.
Hah, look at me reviving this ancient thread I found using using google search. I was actually trying to find where to buy the final finish cheapest and this thread was in my results.
I have used the Tubbs FF .22lr loaded ammo in a factory new Rem 597 auto. Results were unreal. 100yd groups with match ammo shrank by more than 300%.
Used the bullets in a 22-250 and 300wsm too, with more great results.
I have an old 30-30 with some rough spots in barrel, am now looking for best price so I can use them again.
You get five different grits of bullet, ten each. You don't have to starts with the coarsest grit, if you are running some match grade gear that just needs tweaking you can just run the last three. Guys from my club that shot rf silhouettes have had good results too in some hi-dollar rifles, 40x too.
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Congrats on reviving this thread from the grave. Some things are best left buried.
Any good barrel maker will void the warranty if you use this shit in their barrels. That really tells me all I need to know, no matter what David Tubb says. If Tubb states that dog shit is the best thing to clean your barrel, there would be a market for fresh dog turds, bagged and ready, in your local gunshop in less than a week. They would be marketed under Tubb Turds brand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have used the Tubbs FF .22lr loaded ammo in a factory new Rem 597 auto. Results were unreal. 100yd groups with match ammo shrank by more than 300%.
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Factory new? This statement is full of intrigueing questions. You took a factory new barrel and fired some groups and then run FF through it and viola it went from crappy to happy. Guess what. Sometimes new 22 rifles go from crappy to happy ain a few hundred rounds without snake oil.
If I had a 40x I wouldn't put this stuff through the barrel. Most 40X rifles shoot as good as any 22 known to man. My greatest fear in buying used rifles is getting one of these "improved by Tinker McGee" rifles.
Congrats on reviving this thread from the grave. Some things are best left buried.
Any good barrel maker will void the warranty if you use this shit in their barrels. That really tells me all I need to know, no matter what David Tubb says. If Tubb states that dog shit is the best thing to clean your barrel, there would be a market for fresh dog turds, bagged and ready, in your local gunshop in less than a week. They would be marketed under Tubb Turds brand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have used the Tubbs FF .22lr loaded ammo in a factory new Rem 597 auto. Results were unreal. 100yd groups with match ammo shrank by more than 300%.
</div></div>
Factory new? This statement is full of intrigueing questions. You took a factory new barrel and fired some groups and then run FF through it and viola it went from crappy to happy. Guess what. Sometimes new 22 rifles go from crappy to happy ain a few hundred rounds without snake oil.
If I had a 40x I wouldn't put this stuff through the barrel. Most 40X rifles shoot as good as any 22 known to man. My greatest fear in buying used rifles is getting one of these "improved by Tinker McGee" rifles.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats on reviving this thread from the grave. Some things are best left buried.
Any good barrel maker will void the warranty if you use this shit in their barrels. That really tells me all I need to know, no matter what David Tubb says. If Tubb states that dog shit is the best thing to clean your barrel, there would be a market for fresh dog turds, bagged and ready, in your local gunshop in less than a week. They would be marketed under Tubb Turds brand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have used the Tubbs FF .22lr loaded ammo in a factory new Rem 597 auto. Results were unreal. 100yd groups with match ammo shrank by more than 300%.
</div></div>
Factory new? This statement is full of intrigueing questions. You took a factory new barrel and fired some groups and then run FF through it and viola it went from crappy to happy. Guess what. Sometimes new 22 rifles go from crappy to happy ain a few hundred rounds without snake oil.
If I had a 40x I wouldn't put this stuff through the barrel. Most 40X rifles shoot as good as any 22 known to man. My greatest fear in buying used rifles is getting one of these "improved by Tinker McGee" rifles. </div></div>
What is with the nastiness?
Someone asked for opinions from persons with actual experience on the matter- which is me. Everything else is just speculation. If you cannot have a discussion w/o hostility, I do not care to answer your "intriguing questions". I expect the same civilities from people on the internet as I do from someone standing in front of me, and I give the same.
FWIW- I had probably put between 6-800 rounds through that 597, invested a bunch in Volq parts before using the FF product.
If your hi-dollar match gun already shoots well enough, I don't think this "snake-oil" is going to help you. If your gun's accuracy has much to be desired- this product might help you.
-Tinker McGee
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats on reviving this thread from the grave. Some things are best left buried.
Any good barrel maker will void the warranty if you use this shit in their barrels. That really tells me all I need to know, no matter what David Tubb says. If Tubb states that dog shit is the best thing to clean your barrel, there would be a market for fresh dog turds, bagged and ready, in your local gunshop in less than a week. They would be marketed under Tubb Turds brand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have used the Tubbs FF .22lr loaded ammo in a factory new Rem 597 auto. Results were unreal. 100yd groups with match ammo shrank by more than 300%.
</div></div>
Factory new? This statement is full of intrigueing questions. You took a factory new barrel and fired some groups and then run FF through it and viola it went from crappy to happy. Guess what. Sometimes new 22 rifles go from crappy to happy ain a few hundred rounds without snake oil.
If I had a 40x I wouldn't put this stuff through the barrel. Most 40X rifles shoot as good as any 22 known to man. My greatest fear in buying used rifles is getting one of these "improved by Tinker McGee" rifles. </div></div>
What is with the nastiness?
Someone asked for opinions from persons with actual experience on the matter- which is me. Everything else is just speculation. If you cannot have a discussion w/o hostility, I do not care to answer your "intriguing questions". I expect the same civilities from people on the internet as I do from someone standing in front of me, and I give the same.
FWIW- I had probably put between 6-800 rounds through that 597, invested a bunch in Volq parts before using the FF product.
If your hi-dollar match gun already shoots well enough, I don't think this "snake-oil" is going to help you. If your gun's accuracy has much to be desired- this product might help you.
-Tinker McGee
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And if you told me this in person I would tell you the same thing I told you verbatim. I can assure you I am not a man who minces words in private or public.
Glad this stuff works wonders for you. Now to tell an embarrasing truth I have actually bought some of Tinker's guns. That is why I get a bit saucy about such things.
And if you told me this in person I would tell you the same thing I told you verbatim. I can assure you I am not a man who minces words in private or public.
Glad this stuff works wonders for you. Now to tell an embarrasing truth I have actually bought some of Tinker's guns. That is why I get a bit saucy about such things.
