First aid

[The Angler]

Looking at putting together a complete first aid/trauma kit. I'd prefer a MOLLE type pack so I can add pouches and compartmentalize certain items.

Any recommendations on a good pre-made kit?

Any items to add to a pre-made kit? ( like a good tourniquet, wound cleaning solutions, shears, etc.)

A good source for medical supplies?

Thanks







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[pmclaine]

There is a good sticky up top about IFAKs. A lot of knowledgeable people mentioned specific gear and a few suppliers.

 

[The Angler]

Yep, sure is! I'll check it out. Thanks PMC


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[Darkside-Six]

Dark angel makes some nice ones


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[canman]

Tactical Medial Solutions. Anderson, SC
www.tacmedsolutions.com

 

[plong]

I purchase most of my first aid supplies from Rescue Essentials: https://www.rescue-essentials.com/ and Chinook Medical: http://www.chinookmed.com/ generally going to be better pricing than DarkAngel or Tac Med. North American Rescue: https://www.narescue.com/ for PPE Nitrile Gloves in particular, their gloves are a cut above those found elsewhere. You're going to pay a healthy premium for a readymade "kit" versus sourcing the pieces-parts yourself and putting together your own kit. Whatever you do buy only what you know how to use or are willing and able to get training for (sooner, not later...)

 

[STROP]

IMO Dark Angel kits are some of the highest priced stuff w/o adding more than a nice bag. I put together a spreadsheet a while back when comparing med kits. Excel format, choose tab at bottom of spreadsheet. Work in progress.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/iq0wcxz6d20vsc9/MedKit_comparison_2016-10-22.xlsx

 

[ZiaHunter]

+1 for Rescue Essentials.

 

[Hairball]

Keep it simple and focus on equipment that you would need for immediate life-saving measures to sustain the patient until EMS can arrive. I have seen threads on this topic where kits become so large and complicated that they become worthless and many of those trying to use them would spend half their time trying to find equipment.

Just remember, in WWII, this was the usual combat field kit...http://mtaofnj.org/content/WWII Combat Medic - Dave Steinert/field_equipment_of_a_wwii_corpsm.htm

When I first enlisted, we carried these for everything...http://www.medicalcorps.org/uobag/index.htm

Several years later, the field bag became this...http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/vir.../operationalmed/molle bag/molle medic bag.htm

Today, I just carry a small med kit in my range bag for hemorrhage control that can fit in a large pocket if need be. Decide at what level you need to provide care and keep in mind that in most cases EMS is available. You may need to build several bags to cover different situations depending upon how far away you plan on being from additional assistance. On a side note, Amazon usually has good prices on medical equipment.

 

[Stpilot12]

Amp-3 iFak. Put together by a former navy doc and current ER doc in portland

 

[The Angler]

Thanks for all of the great links and recommendations guys, especially the spreadsheet, much appreciated STROP.

Looks like I have a bit of reading to do as well.


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[STROP]

Amp-3 iFak. Put together by a former navy doc and current ER doc in portland

No TQ in it? It's an awesome FAK, but the IFAK may be a misnomer given common vernacular?

I do like the Chinook PAKs, easy to replace a whole section when things expire. Mine stay un the truck year round so I replace on indicated expiry. I have one of the older Chinook home/vehicle kits and it can be expensive to replace meds in those smaller/individually sealed packs.

Chinook PAKs: http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/category/HB-PAK

 

[pineoak]

First off decide whether it's for life saving (TQ, hemostat) vs. convenience (burn jel, band aids, tweezers).

I like to have 2 types. The life saving attached to my kit & range bag (CAT or SOF, tape, heavy gauze, 4" bandage, hemostat, nitrile gloves, scissors, chest seal) & a family style first aid kit with burn gel, band aids, creams, antibiotic, tweezers, etc). A mix of them gets bulky.

For basic, get a CAT or SOFTT tourniquet, 3 pairs of nitrile gloves in a ziploc, ABD or heavy gauze, 2 rolls of medical tape, and a pair of safety scissors. Put them in a small pouch and have them with you anytime you anticipate trouble or are expecting any type of gunfire (training, range). Under $50 and available at a lot of the places listed above. Dark Angel is $$$

Chinook, North American Rescue I've used with no issues.

Bear in mind I received my EMT training 20 years ago, but the basics still apply, though I'm sure the latest and greatest will outperform what I outlined above. Better to have the minimum with you than an amazing kit in the car or at home.

 

[plong]

No TQ in it? It's an awesome FAK, but the IFAK may be a misnomer given common vernacular?

I do like the Chinook PAKs, easy to replace a whole section when things expire. Mine stay un the truck year round so I replace on indicated expiry. I have one of the older Chinook home/vehicle kits and it can be expensive to replace meds in those smaller/individually sealed packs.

Chinook PAKs: http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/category/HB-PAK

A $75.00 boo-boo kit...?!? I don't see a pressure dressing or hemostatic agent either... Gentlemen: you need to look at what's included in these "kits" and what you are paying for it.

pineoak beat me to it: you also need to decide if you want a boo-boo kit or one to treat traumatic injury ("IFAK"). Like him I carry both in the truck...

Just to clarify: the list below is not my recommendation for the contents of an IFAK, it is what comes in the AMP-3 kit; not really an IFAK, and nowhere near $75.00 worth of boo-boo supplies IMHO.
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[STROP]

Kits in the truck today, old school Chinook with extras and a 5.11 med pouch.

 

[_Windrider_]

A $75.00 boo-boo kit...?!? I don't see a pressure dressing or hemostatic agent either... Gentlemen: you need to look at what's included in these "kits" and what you are paying for it.

pineoak beat me to it: you also need to decide if you want a boo-boo kit or one to treat traumatic injury ("IFAK"). Like him I carry both in the truck...

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I was going to suggest USNERDOC's youtube channel. he has put together some good stuff.

 

[The Angler]

I do want a complete kit for the car, but with a smaller, detachable trauma kit for the range that I can keep on me.

Thanks for the YouTube channel recommendation Dillhole, I'll definitely check it out; I've also been studying the FM 4-24.11
Is there any other literature regarding first aid that you all would recommend?



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[plong]

Believe it or not the first aid forum over at Zombie Squad has some really good info. Definitely worth a look...
If you have no prior training you really should consider taking a class. Your local Red Cross would be a great place to start.

 

[The Angler]

I'm definitely going to look in to taking a class soon. I took a peek at the zombie squad forum, and the first aid section does have some pretty useful info as well. Much appreciated plong.


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[Airw4ves]

Honestly, get yourself a reputable Tourniquet, Quikclot Gauze, a Small roller gauze or tensor, a CPR Face Shield, and Nitrile gloves.
That will get you through 90% of scenarios you're likely to encounter at a range, and can be packed into a small belt pouch (if you're hiking out a ways) or tossed in a side pocket. I feel that a small carryable pouch is a hell of a lot more useful than one I left in my car back in the parking lot because it was too big and cumbersome.
I personally vacuum packed mine with a foodsaver and it fits into an ITS tactical Slimline pouch great.

As others have said, get training before you buy this stuff though. Medical kits are big $ and frankly are so jam packed with crap you'll likely never need/can get by just fine without. Also, take a CPR course, the chance of you using that at a range is way more likely than someone being shot.

Oh and as for booboo kit, keep it seperate in your pack/car. If the day comes you need to use your trauma kit, the less stuff to sift through the better. Believe me, you'll be shtn bricks so only having trauma essentials makes life much easier.

Best of luck, any Med questions just ask

 

[dannySH]

Honestly, get yourself a reputable Tourniquet, Quikclot Gauze, a Small roller gauze or tensor, a CPR Face Shield, and Nitrile gloves.
That will get you through 90% of scenarios you're likely to encounter at a range, and can be packed into a small belt pouch (if you're hiking out a ways) or tossed in a side pocket. I feel that a small carryable pouch is a hell of a lot more useful than one I left in my car back in the parking lot because it was too big and cumbersome.
I personally vacuum packed mine with a foodsaver and it fits into an ITS tactical Slimline pouch great.

As others have said, get training before you buy this stuff though. Medical kits are big $ and frankly are so jam packed with crap you'll likely never need/can get by just fine without. Also, take a CPR course, the chance of you using that at a range is way more likely than someone being shot.

Oh and as for booboo kit, keep it seperate in your pack/car. If the day comes you need to use your trauma kit, the less stuff to sift through the better. Believe me, you'll be shtn bricks so only having trauma essentials makes life much easier.

Best of luck, any Med questions just ask

Agree. Get some training courses on how to stop hemorrhages and a CPR then with a Tourniquet, Quikclot gauze or clotting sponge, some gloves and maybe a couple of hemostatic forceps and you'll get 90% of the cases solved until EMS arrive.

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