Knocking the dust off my M1A and looking to slap some glass on it. Was loads of fun with NM irons but its time for some magnification. Was leaning towards the new Gen II Viper PST in FFP. I wanna try my hand at some longer range stuff and looking at around an $800 budget.
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- Thread starter Heston383
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That would be a good choice for a starter. My son had an M1A that we scoped with a 4-14 PST Gen I and it was fine for that rifle. When I bought my first scope for long range I bought a used PST in new condition then when I moved up to a better scope I was able to sell it for what I had paid for it. You don't always get that lucky buying used scopes because the market and the flavor of the day changes so much anymore but I've been able to do that on other scope purchases as well. Some of us tend to want to try different scopes so there is always good deals on scopes in the PX here.
He didn't say "high end" he said "higher end" which I would say the Gen II PST qualifies as. Realize that for most people $500 on a scope is an insane amount of money much less the $4K+ that the TT's, Hendsoldt's, and some of the S&B's command. My Dad and brother both love their $120 Simmons 6.5-20x scopes and they just don't see the value in my Gen II Razor even when comparing them side by side.
I was finally able to look thru a 3-15 Gen II PST and have to say that I was very much impressed by it. The turret clicks were excellent (both tactile and audible), the illumination as well as focus and power were smooth, and the illumination itself seemed very nice. For most people the Gen II PST is going to be all of the scope they will ever need if they aren't relying on it to put food on the table, keep them alive on a 2-way range, or using it for work in some other way.
Honestly, if I hadn't gotten my Gen II Razor for a great price before these came out I may have went with the Gen II PST instead. It got the Gen II Razor (and my AIAT) because I could. The reality is that a Tikka T3 CTR and Gen II PST would do everything that I will ever need and some day I may just sell the AIAT and Razor.
I would go for the Gen II PST in the OP's shoes and enjoy the crap out of it. If you ever do have a problem with it Vortex will stand behind it 100%.
I didn't say "high end" either, apparently your reading comprehension needs some work.
Just because you got your panties in a bunch, it doesn't make the statement inaccurate.
I like Vortex products, and I think the choice is a solid choice, but the PST and XTR II series both occupy the ENTRY level rung of the ladder, next up would be the ladder are the Japanese made optics of Bushnell like the LRTSi and LHRS, Gen 1 Razor and the SWFA 5-20, then another rung is the higher end Japanese Optics like the the Cronus, Sightmark Pinnacle, edging up to the Vortex Razor Gen 2, then there is at least another level of high end European and USA made optics.
So, as you can plainly see, the PST is NOT a "higher end" optic.
Compared to what? Since we don't know where the OP is coming from in terms of the optics he owns, NC star, Tasco Simmons etc, etc. The PST would be higher end would it not. We shouldn't make judgments on what someone thinks is higher end unless we know where he/she is coming from.
Compared to what? Since we don't know where the OP is coming from in terms of the optics he owns, NC star, Tasco Simmons etc, etc. The PST would be higher end would it not. We shouldn't make judgments on what someone thinks is higher end unless we know where he/she is coming from.
What do you mean, compared to what?
I actually compared different brands, apparently it was too difficult for you to understand.
I don't care what the OP "thinks" is higher end, I am merely informing him that a PST 2 is NOT higher end, and I cited examples.
And again, I think it is a solid choice. Higher end, it is not.
Yeah vortex makes some great scopes in the 800 range.
Alternatively, SWFA makes some great FFP scopes with accurate open turrets too. Might be worth checking them out.
Alternatively, SWFA makes some great FFP scopes with accurate open turrets too. Might be worth checking them out.
fdkay said:
Perhaps you should, given that this is OP's thread...and his definition of "higher end" is what matters - not yours or mine.
An $800 budget (which OP mentioned in his post) might be "entry level" range for you and some others on this forum full of $4k rifles wearing $3k optics, but for a *hell* of a lot of other folks in the world who are used to $150 Burris Fullfields and Nikon ProStaffs, an $800 optic absolutely falls in "higher end".
It's all a matter of perspective, which simply not everybody has...no need to parse words or measure dicks.
True that.
But some education on the matter never hurts.
What his major problem will be is shelling out the bucks for a good, solid mount for an M1A
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i don't own any "high end" scopes.
I live around the 1000 dollar mark when it comes to purchases like that, but I have no illusions that I am purchasing a "higher end" scope. I know I am purchasing entry level stuff, because that's what I can afford.
But some education on the matter never hurts.
What his major problem will be is shelling out the bucks for a good, solid mount for an M1A
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i don't own any "high end" scopes.
I live around the 1000 dollar mark when it comes to purchases like that, but I have no illusions that I am purchasing a "higher end" scope. I know I am purchasing entry level stuff, because that's what I can afford.
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A $200 scope is "higher end" than a $50 scope. Conversely, the $50 scope is "lower end" than the $200 scope.
If you don't comprehend this I would suggest you take 2nd grade English again.
If you don't comprehend this I would suggest you take 2nd grade English again.
Bassett Machine picatinny mount, $150. One of the best mounts available for the M1A/M14.
Consider a NF SHV also, there's one in the PX right now . I bought the same one last year and have been impressed by the performance of it for the money. It's no ATACR , but worth every bit of what i paid for it .
Oh you guys must mean lower high end, or is it higher low end, lol??? What's the end all, be all, of the mid ground I wonder, just kidding. To what end are we heading.
I have this highish IQ friend "lower high end intelligence", I tell him he's the dumbest smart guy I know and that I'm the smartest dumb guy "higher low end intelligence - with good common sense " he knows, lol. It's hard to say who's coming out on top in a discussion. I tell him he's basically unarmed in an argument, that gets him going because I stole it from him and saying that get's me that funny look every time, can't resist, lol. The guy is white as ghost but his grandpappy was black. Not knowing, I went "there" one time, and consequently got a punch in the arm, and a good laugh. Good thing I was sitting in the driver's seat when it happened otherwise I might have gotten a kick to the hind end. He knows I'm not really prejudice but I'll take a fun poke at him here and there.
The end.
Or maybe not
Athlon Ares BTR 2.5-15x50 and 4.5-27x50 tactical scopes arriving in the states soon. Just to be OT.
I have this highish IQ friend "lower high end intelligence", I tell him he's the dumbest smart guy I know and that I'm the smartest dumb guy "higher low end intelligence - with good common sense " he knows, lol. It's hard to say who's coming out on top in a discussion. I tell him he's basically unarmed in an argument, that gets him going because I stole it from him and saying that get's me that funny look every time, can't resist, lol. The guy is white as ghost but his grandpappy was black. Not knowing, I went "there" one time, and consequently got a punch in the arm, and a good laugh. Good thing I was sitting in the driver's seat when it happened otherwise I might have gotten a kick to the hind end. He knows I'm not really prejudice but I'll take a fun poke at him here and there.
The end.
Or maybe not
Athlon Ares BTR 2.5-15x50 and 4.5-27x50 tactical scopes arriving in the states soon. Just to be OT.
An $800 scope for me is quite high end. Had a lot of 300-500 optics on work horse deer rifles and never had any complaints with any of them. Hell my old 3-9 Redfield filled the freezer many times. Never wanted nor needed anything above that. Its not that I can't afford a 4k scope but I don't shoot enough to justify that big of a purchase. With this purchase I'm just looking to get into some nice quality with exposed turrets in FFP in MOA.
I agree on the shv. I bought one while waiting for my Gen II pst and am mostly pleased with it. Great glass and focus is easy but I'm wishing for a ten mils per turn turret. Other than that I'm very pleased with the shv. Did a tracking test in it and found it to be on the money for at least ten mils.
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