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Hunting & Fishing First long range hunting rig/build.

Matt_3479

Matt_3479

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Hopefully sooner rather then later i will be taking my Remington model 700 BDL (3/4 moa rifle out too 300 yards- furthest tested for rifle) and using it as a doner action for my first build. This rifle will be used for Northern Ontario Moose, Whitetail and Black bear from ranges 100-800 yards. about 45% shots will stay within 450 yards, 40% within 600 yards and about 15% within 800 yards. Last year on my moose hunt we saw 9 moose and 6 of them were within 350 yards, 3 of them were at 740 yards but we ended up sneaking in to the 544 yard mark.

It is a 7mm rem mag right now and i know i could keep it as this and throat it for 168-180 grain bergers and make it work but i know there is multiple better calibers for the job. I dont want a gun that is super expensive to shoot for, or reload for. I would much much rather a gun that has over the counter ammunition.

Would the 7mm rem mag work well enough or should i opt for another caliber. One of my favorite calibers is a 300. WSM. I love this caliber and im not sure why. if i had my choice between the wsm and the win mag i would choose the wsm almost every time. Now because i have a long action i can get win mag performance out of the wsm case. Now i know the 300. win mag is more then capable of taking moose out too 800 yards and has over the counter ammunition. In your eyes, could i do the same thing with the WSM or should i just stick with the Win mag. Would the 300 RUM make that much difference if i stay within 800 yards. I know once i get past that the RUM is some what needed and highly suggested but my shots will always be within 800 and thats if there even out that far?

Whats your thoughts on a caliber? My thoughts were to true and bed the action into a Macmillan HTG or A-5 undecided still, with black/grey/white or light grey marble, with a new 26" kreiger i think (still all new to this as it will be first build) with #5 contour, jewel trigger and fluted bolt. Whats your thoughts?
 
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Re: First long range hunting rig/build.

I feel that 7MM Mag is capable of taking the animal at those distances, but it sounds like you want a 300. Very nice claiber.

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its not that im set on a 300. caliber i just know that the 300 caliber will do the job a little better at 800 yards over the 7mm. I love both rounds. i just have a lot of people saying the 7mm is too light for moose at 800 yards but i know the 300 isn't. i just figured if i could up size and still have everything i need for both the 300 win mag and 300 wsm i might as well
 
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.75 moa at 300, i dont know about anything past that. i might open up real good at like 500-800. and thats with the 160 accubond
 
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First thing I'd do is try it how it is! Then buy a box of VLDs and give them a try.

I wouldn't recommend hunting with the most super-accurate mall-ninja tactical rifle if you haven't tried it at a given range.
 
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Your 7mm mag is capable. You did not mention the bullet wieght and type you are shooting. Your BDL most likely has a twist of 9.5, my 7 Mag does well up to 168gr, but 180 not so good at 800+ yards. A tighter twist may be needed for the heavier options. Those big, thick hide criters need a lot of energy to bring down at extended range. I shoot my 300 Weatherby with 210gr pills. I would opt for the 300 Win Mag and cover the long range more solidly.
Best wishes and good luck.
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Re: First long range hunting rig/build.

right now im firing 160 grain accubonds.

i will be starting a build either way and i might stick with the 7mm or jump up to the 300. win mag. i will get the 7mm throated so i can fire 168 grain vld's as well as 180 vlds, and the 300 win mag will be the 210 vld's.

This gun will be used on Moose, Black Bear, Elk, Caribou and whitetail at ranges 800 at max

this is what the build will look like;
Blueprint Remington Action
Holland Recoil Lug
Brux Barrel- 26-28" # 4 or #5 contour
Chamber ??? / Crown / Fit / 320 grit Finish / Engrave
Custom Throat
3 port Muscle Brake
McMillan A-5 / pad / 2 studs
Pillar Bed
Bolt Fluted
Jewel Trigger w/ top right safety and bottom bolt release
 
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Re: First long range hunting rig/build.

I think it looks like a good build. You're like me, doesn't matter if you need it or not, just want it!!

I'd probably go with the 300 in your case. You'll be hunting some large animals that need the punch. I'm a huge 7mm fan, but the 210 VLD's would probably kick ass!

Only think I'd change about the build is the stock. I'd go with an A3 or A3 Sporter. I think you'll find the A5 to bulky especially for the small barrel.

I built something similar to what you want. Except in 7mm SAUM. I went with an A3, originally wanted a #5 barrel, but went with a Sendero instead for heat reasons. Here's a pic.

7mm1.jpg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KPK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it looks like a good build. You're like me, doesn't matter if you need it or not, just want it!!

I'd probably go with the 300 in your case. You'll be hunting some large animals that need the punch. I'm a huge 7mm fan, but the 210 VLD's would probably kick ass!

Only think I'd change about the build is the stock. I'd go with an A3 or A3 Sporter. I think you'll find the A5 to bulky especially for the small barrel.

I built something similar to what you want. Except in 7mm SAUM. I went with an A3, originally wanted a #5 barrel, but went with a Sendero instead for heat reasons. Here's a pic.

7mm1.jpg
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What's the difference in the #5 and the sendero? What's the weight difference? The A3 is thinner and lighter I take it. I would like to shed weight where ever possible. I prefer thinner stocks generally speaking, I'll take a look into it. Thank you all.

Originally I was set on the 7mm mag 168 vld or 180 vld. Knowing it would do it, I then starting thinking about the 300. Win mag and how it would do it just the slightest bit better and if I took it for bear I would feel a little more comfortable punching it with the 210 vld at 2900-3000 fps. I think the 300. Win mag is what I'll be settling on.

How about barrel length. Is tge 26 or 28" better
 
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The #5 is .700" at the muzzle where the Sendero is .820". I think 1/2 lb. difference.

The A3 is way thinner in the forearm and the butt doesn't have th hook on it. You don't need it for a hunting rig. I like the A3 much better!

I'd go with 26".

Check this link out. I like the A3 sporter on this guys rifle...


http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/mcmillan-a3-htg-72284/index2.html
 
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if'in you are hunting at distance you probably oughta practice a fair amount. Hell the animals deserve that much respect.

a 7mm mag. is gonna turn your barrel into a tomato stake after you have the practice you need.
 
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I will practice, I wasn't about to just get the gun and shoot an animal at range. I regularly practice out too 600 and have done a little bit of range time at 800. I will of course practice out too 800 until I could hit a tick of a mooses ass.

I think the 300. Win mag is going be my chamber.
 
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300 wm barrel will last about 1500 rounds give or take.

You don't need that much horse power to kill at distance.

Case in point: In Europe they have used the 6.5X55 Swede on European Moose for centuries.

Jus Sayin' people think distance = magnums. Not so much.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body">its not that im set on a 300. caliber i just know that the 300 caliber will do the job a little better at 800 yards over the 7mm. I love both rounds. i just have a lot of people saying the 7mm is too light for moose at 800 yards but i know the 300 isn't. i just figured if i could up size and still have everything i need for both the 300 win mag and 300 wsm i might as well </div></div>

Your average Northern Ontario moose shot will likely be in the range of 50-100 yards.
 
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I have posted this a few times. We own a little house in an isolated town and about an 1.5 hours down the river we built an A-Frame to stay in.

At the house we stay at there is clear cuts like crazy which range from 300 yards-1300 yards long/wide. We normally pick a good spot close to the middle where we can see both ways yet still have cover from the left over clear cut tree's and stuff where moose have been spotted or where lots of sign are. We also hunt the hill tops that look over small lakes and clear cuts that can reach out like 2 miles and we begin our stalk from there.

At the A-Frame we normally position people up in swamps/lakes, marsh lands where moose have been spotted or tons of sign. My 2 favorite spots to be set is on a lake that is close to 1000 yards long and about 750 yards wide. not the biggest lake but theres a good river that runs into a larger lake. The small lake has great cover and has tons of signs. My favorite hunting location. So there is plenty of ground for long range shots. I also will hunt Montana for Whitetail and Elk as well as northen quebec for caribou.

when i river hunt shots normally aren't longer then 125-150 yards noramlly closer to about 75 yards. We have cmoe around corners where moose have been 35 yards and just stood there but also around a corner where the shot was about 250. Thats not long range but when i get to the lakes/swamps and clear cuts, shots can get pretty far! would like my rifle to be able to cover this. Also Montana has some pretty long shots !
 
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not sure what those calibers are so im just going to stick with the 300. win mag :p. i like the ability of loading factory ammunition incase of anything happening to the handloads.
 
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