PRS Talk Full size or compact can for PRS?

[Nostradumbass]

Hey boys,

I’ve been shooting PRS for about 2 years now. So far, I’ve always ran a full size direct thread suppressor on 6.5 caliber rifles.

So I’ve got a Surefire 762mini that I don’t use much on gas guns, and I like the minimal length it adds to a full length bolt gun. The level of sound suppression isn’t as good as a full size can, but with ear protection, it’s not bad. The other advantage over my direct thread is that my thread on can always seems to work loose between stages.

Just wanted to get the thoughts of the guys running cans in comps. Is there a major disadvantage with running a compact can vs full size at matches?

Thanks!

 

[psharon78]

Most of my cans use the Area 419 mounting solution so they can't work themselves lose. I run the KGM R30 suppressor

 

[cgobeli]

I ran the Thunder Beast Ultra 9 for 2 years, and now I am on my second year of running the Ultra 7. With the Ultra 9 I ran a 24" barrel to keep my overall length more manageable. While running the Ultra 7 I run a 26", so roughly the same overall length. Both can use the Thunder Beast brake for mounting, I haven't had it come loose since my first year running them, but I also double check before each stage just to make sure.

How is the muzzle rise between the two, is there a noticeable difference? if there is no noticeable difference in muzzle rise I would run the shorter can just to save some length when entering/exiting a prop.

 

[Nostradumbass]

I ran the Thunder Beast Ultra 9 for 2 years, and now I am on my second year of running the Ultra 7. With the Ultra 9 I ran a 24" barrel to keep my overall length more manageable. While running the Ultra 7 I run a 26", so roughly the same overall length. Both can use the Thunder Beast brake for mounting, I haven't had it come loose since my first year running them, but I also double check before each stage just to make sure.

How is the muzzle rise between the two, is there a noticeable difference? if there is no noticeable difference in muzzle rise I would run the shorter can just to save some length when entering/exiting a prop.

The weight between the two suppressors is minimal. I’m not seeing much muzzle rise between the two either….if anything, the shorter suppressor may be a little less “less back pressure maybe?”

I suppose for me, the main rub with the mini suppressor is that it’s louder…..but WAY quieter than a muzzle brake. I guess I’m wondering if a louder suppressor is worth using if it saves a few inches of overall length…..and does a few decibels of sound really make a difference in a match situation, even when shooting in a civilized squad?

 

[cgobeli]

The weight between the two suppressors is minimal. I’m not seeing much muzzle rise between the two either….if anything, the shorter suppressor may be a little less “less back pressure maybe?”

I suppose for me, the main rub with the mini suppressor is that it’s louder…..but WAY quieter than a muzzle brake. I guess I’m wondering if a louder suppressor is worth using if it saves a few inches of overall length…..and does a few decibels of sound really make a difference in a match situation, even when shooting in a civilized squad?

Do you normally wear ear pro at the matches?

I like them quiet, but I am already wearing ear pro, and I could stand mine to be a little louder so the timer could maybe pick up my shot.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Do you normally wear ear pro at the matches?

I like them quiet, but I am already wearing ear pro, and I could stand mine to be a little louder so the timer could maybe pick up my shot.

That makes sense.
I do wear ear pro…usually not double since I try and stay in a suppressed only squad.

 

[Baron85]

I started shooting matches with a TBAC 30BA 9” can, I transitioned to brakes due to extra recoil management and shorter length going in and out of pipes and ports. I hate the blast and considering switching back to running suppressed using my KGM R30k which is nice and short and running a shorter barrel.

I picked up a used 23” barrel I plan to test the idea with in a few matches and see how I like it.

I wear double hearing protection when shooting inside pipes or other high noise situation but I still catch my self flinching and requiring more concentration to shoot well in those situations and think that the reduction in blast will help me concentrate and shoot better.

 

[Kino]

I guess it depends on if your trying to win or place well someday or just having fun. There is a major advantage with brakes in the PRS game, I haven't shot an unsuppressed gun in about 15 years at anything, learning to shoot with the brake takes time but the advantages are totally worth it fir PRS. I've yet to go to a match where you didn't need earpro so why not get the most out of your gun??

Brakes are much better at recoil reduction, less weight, less length, much less mirage, barrel stays cooler, less expensive and much less things to go wrong. I'll take all that to be louder at a match.

 

[Guns&WhiteWater]

I started shooting matches with a TBAC 30BA 9” can, I transitioned to brakes due to extra recoil management and shorter length going in and out of pipes and ports. I hate the blast and considering switching back to running suppressed using my KGM R30k which is nice and short and running a shorter barrel.

I picked up a used 23” barrel I plan to test the idea with in a few matches and see how I like it.

I wear double hearing protection when shooting inside pipes or other high noise situation but I still catch my self flinching and requiring more concentration to shoot well in those situations and think that the reduction in blast will help me concentrate and shoot better.

I like shooting my R30K as well. Recoil is a bit shorter duration, less decibel reduction is not a issue because I still wear ear pro.

 

[kthomas]

I don't shoot much PRS anymore. But last match I shot suppressed with my Abel Biscuit, and it was really pleasant.

It's a shorter fat suppressor. Suppresses small to "schmedium" cartridges (think 6.5 cm) pretty well - obviously not as well as a large volume can, but enough to still be pretty pleasant. Really reduces concussion, which is my main goal with a suppressor. Has a very pleasant recoil impulse, recoils more like a brake.

I use Rearden mounts. Work great - I always check at the beginning of a stage if the suppressor is tight, but never any issues. Reliable return to zero, no problem taking suppressor off at end of day for transport.

I don't compete for podiums, that's not why I shoot matches. For me and my uses, a suppressor works great at matches. If I wanted to be ultra competitive, perhaps I would use something different.

 

[sneakypayload]

Im running a direct thread Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen K 6.5, and I really like it a lot. I have a Magnus-RR-CB on order and should be getting the call from TBAC *any day* to pay for it, and I'll be running that as a dedicated can for PRS.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Im running a direct thread Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen K 6.5, and I really like it a lot. I have a Magnus-RR-CB on order and should be getting the call from TBAC *any day* to pay for it, and I'll be running that as a dedicated can for PRS.

The Magnus RR CB has my wheels turning as well!!

 

[TDWilson]

I don't shoot much PRS anymore. But last match I shot suppressed with my Abel Biscuit, and it was really pleasant.

It's a shorter fat suppressor. Suppresses small to "schmedium" cartridges (think 6.5 cm) pretty well - obviously not as well as a large volume can, but enough to still be pretty pleasant. Really reduces concussion, which is my main goal with a suppressor. Has a very pleasant recoil impulse, recoils more like a brake.

I use Rearden mounts. Work great - I always check at the beginning of a stage if the suppressor is tight, but never any issues. Reliable return to zero, no problem taking suppressor off at end of day for transport.

I don't compete for podiums, that's not why I shoot matches. For me and my uses, a suppressor works great at matches. If I wanted to be ultra competitive, perhaps I would use something different.

Any buyer’s remorse with the Biscuit? Pros/cons from your experience with it? That can is on my short list.

 

[Jcarpenter223]

I’m running tbac dominus cb on my 28” 6br and am happy with the performance and it’s not too unwieldy

 

[kthomas]

Any buyer’s remorse with the Biscuit? Pros/cons from your experience with it? That can is on my short list.

Zero regrets.

It's a great can, and I absolutely enjoy shooting it on my 6BRA and 6.5 Creedmoor. It suppresses more then well enough for my needs, the recoil impulse is very nice, and you can tell it's built to very high quality. And the Abel guys have been great to deal with.

For anything larger than a .308, I would probably get a larger volume suppressor - like a Theorem-L or similar. I've used my Biscuit on my .300NM, and that is unpleasant. Not enough volume in the suppressor to tame something with a large powder column like that.

Pros:
- Very well made
- Great recoil impulse
- Reduces noise good enough (it's a couple dB louder than a TBAC Dominus, for reference). It actually sounds pretty similar to my wife's Omega suppressor, to my ears.
- 17-4 steel, so its very durable
- Short
- Excels on 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges
- Priced appropriately
- HUB mount
- Abel has great CS

Cons:
- Made out of 17-4 steel, so it is heavier than a lot of other modern suppressors, if weight is a concern
- Not great on larger cartridges - I haven't tried it on anything between a 6.5 CM and .300NM, but I imagine you wouldn't want to use this suppressor regularly on cartridges bigger than a .308
- Won't provide as much suppression as a larger volume can. If the main goal is to reduce dB's as much as possible, get a bigger suppressor
- While I would say it is priced very fairly for what it is, there are more "value" suppressors out there, like DDC Enticer-L lti.

No buyers remorse. I know @Lowlight loves his as well - at one point he was calling it his favorite suppressor.

 

[Lowlight]

I just ordered a second Biscuit, I absolutely love everything about that can... the look,

The recoil pulse is nice... it's a bit noisier on my Tac Ops with the shorter barrel (sub 20") but I was psyched to switch the Hub over to Mike's thread, so if you watch the videos I just did, the Biscuit is on the Tac Ops

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[Shoots 700's]

I’m using a Thunderbeast Dominus K SR

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Most popular cans seem to be thunderbeast, kgm and a419 mav.

Length depends on barrel length how long you want thr gun to be.

Since our TB magnus rr are eternally backorderd, I just picked up a kgm 30k to play with. It's a really good can for prs in both gas and bolt guns between the adjustable ports and flow through design.

Any can you get HUB seems the way to go to future proof mounting options. I'm able to run old surefire and griffin mounted guns with adapters instead of hunting down expensive, single use cans.

 

[ZY100]

I know I will catch flack—and there certainly was some posting buffoonery—but the BOSS Top Shot has worked quite well for me.

Very good brake/recoil impulse, pretty good suppression. Solid price and in stock (at leadt last I checked they were)

Anyways…my $0.02.

ZY

 

[TheOfficeT-Rex]

I’m running tbac dominus cb on my 28” 6br and am happy with the performance and it’s not too unwieldy

I also run the dominus - but I found a 7" can on a 28" barrel to be like trying to handle a pike. I kept banging it off props or on the roof cover of the shooting line. Took a little mental re-wiring and practice to smoothly transition in/out of 'porthole' type props like ladder rungs or cattle gates. 26+can is about the point where I stop hitting things unintentionally.

I feel less tired at the end of a match with a can vs the blast of a hellfire brake. Even a short can helps in that regard.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

If you are going to run a can, why not have the barrel chopped or finished at a shorter length? With a brake most 26" barrels are 28-29" Long.

With a 7 Inch can, chop the barrel to 22" and run the can. Or switch to a shorter 5-6 inch can and chop to 24".

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Most of my cans use the Area 419 mounting solution so they can't work themselves lose. I run the KGM R30 suppressor

I use the Hellfire brake now. I am going to be mounting a KGM R6. I was just planning to remove the brake and direct thread screw it on.

I don't see KGM listed in Area 419's suppressor mount solutions.

Maybe I am looking a the wrong stuff. Do you maybe have a link to the one you are using?

 

[Baron85]

The Kgm uses Hub threads so you can get an adapter to anything you want. I run the TBAC CB mounts on my KGM R30k

 

[db2000]

Whatever you decide, I recommend this on your brake to prevent seizure of the quick lock. Maybe some brands don’t need it but it’s been useful with SiCo’s.

 

[Lowlight]

I have the KGMs and the Biscuit is equal or better

Think about it, KGM is East Coast and Abel is West Coast, and newer so it makes sense the East Coast crowd is using East coast suppressors

TBAC is older, gives to matches over years so that makes sense. We just ordered a Manus Hub so totally get it, solid can, huge demand.

Abel guys are shooter, Serge & Jorge know their shit and if it didn’t work they wouldn’t do it.

 

[Lawnboi]

Iv shot an ultra 7 and a Magnus now for the last few years. Have given up on brakes entirely. And have a Magnus k rr on order.

But I can tell a difference between the U7 and Magnus on the end of the gun in shoot ability. It’s not much and it’s on the end of a 22” 6 creed. I would do this combo again for suppressor use.

I’m just a nobody, but I do hope suppressors catch on more. I certainly feel much better at the end of the day shooting one.

 

[AirgunnerPCP]

If you are going to run a can, why not have the barrel chopped or finished at a shorter length? With a brake most 26" barrels are 28-29" Long.

With a 7 Inch can, chop the barrel to 22" and run the can. Or switch to a shorter 5-6 inch can and chop to 24".

I've gone from 22" with a 9" can to 24" with 6" can (had the 9" for awhile) to 28" with a 6" can. I've not used the 28" combo in many matches yet but so far in practice it's not much of an issue. It seems unwieldy but for PRS type games it's really just about getting reps and practice in with your setup. From the longest to shortest possible suppressed configuration it's just a difference of 6 inches which really isn't much for this application.

 

[Guns&WhiteWater]

I have grown to appreciate my R30K on my “comp” rifle. Very short can, quick recoil impulse, not great suppression but who cares when you’re wearing ear pro. Definitely cuts down the concussion though. If I didn’t have one already I would get a Biscuit.

 

[Tritiumdials]

- Excels on 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges

How do you quantify that?

 

[kthomas]

How do you quantify that?

It just works really well on cartridges like 6BRA and 6.5 Creedmoor in my experience. It has enough volume that it can suppress these powder columns good enough to be very pleasant to shoot.

Probably works great on other cartridges that have >45-50 grains of powder too. That would include smaller 7mm and .30 cals. It's just that once you get above 6.5mm, most cartridges start to get up there in powder charges where I think a larger volume can would be more optimal.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

I have a Magnus RR and i agree the argument on hitting props etc; not so much about weight.

I am sure magnus k and s rr will be a while before becoming available; certainly would want one. However i am all eyes here and will give the Biscuit and KGMs a look.

 

[TheOE800]

I have a Magnus RR and i agree the argument on hitting props etc; not so much about weight.

I am sure magnus k and s rr will be a while before becoming available; certainly would want one. However i am all eyes here and will give the Biscuit and KGMs a look.

Magnus K RR CB/HUB are already shipping.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Magnus K RR CB/HUB are already shipping.

I just posted one for sale ( brand new never fired still at sot on form 3) in the Hide PX if you know anyone who wants one without the wait.