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Anyone have any direct knowledge working for and with anyone from this company on contract overseas?

PM if you would care to share pros/cons or the good, bad, and ugly...

PSS/DDM Kabul is the job specifically...
 
My brother worked for Garda in the US, one of his benefits was taking your birthday as a paid holiday. He worked for them for several years. In 2011, he took his birthday holiday and had an email approving the day off. When he came back into work, he had been fired for, "abandoning his position". Garda, as a company has a policy of churning it's employees. Meaning they like to fire them in the three to five year range and hire new cheaper employees to replace them.

If you are working overseas, make sure you have your tax situation figured out or hire an accountant before you leave. Remember there is no such thing as a 40 hour work week or overtime when you work overseas. While companies pay your medical, there is no workman's comp if you are injured. You can very easily find yourself hurt and paying for it out of your own pocket when you return to the states.

All of these issues and more need to be considered when you work overseas. I have had several friends contract with various companies over the years doing a variety of jobs and almost all of them have had an issue of some sort over the years. Finding out your hourly wage is straight pay for an 84 to 168 hours a week or your daily wage is for 24 hours a day with no expectation of regular hours, breaks, meals or time off has been the most common complaint.
 
My brother worked for Garda in the US, one of his benefits was taking your birthday as a paid holiday. He worked for them for several years. In 2011, he took his birthday holiday and had an email approving the day off. When he came back into work, he had been fired for, "abandoning his position". Garda, as a company has a policy of churning it's employees. Meaning they like to fire them in the three to five year range and hire new cheaper employees to replace them.

If you are working overseas, make sure you have your tax situation figured out or hire an accountant before you leave. Remember there is no such thing as a 40 hour work week or overtime when you work overseas. While companies pay your medical, there is no workman's comp if you are injured. You can very easily find yourself hurt and paying for it out of your own pocket when you return to the states.

All of these issues and more need to be considered when you work overseas. I have had several friends contract with various companies over the years doing a variety of jobs and almost all of them have had an issue of some sort over the years. Finding out your hourly wage is straight pay for an 84 to 168 hours a week or your daily wage is for 24 hours a day with no expectation of regular hours, breaks, meals or time off has been the most common complaint.



This.

All positions I was offered were written out as yearly wage, hours per week, travel allowance, time off, etc.

They were paying $150k+/yr to start. It was a better gig to work a few more hours in Williston and make more when expenses were calculated. (I was working 3000-3200 hours a year, more overtime than straight time).

It was all about offering a big yearly wage. Figure you may take home 1/2 by the time it's done.
 
Anyone have any direct knowledge working for and with anyone from this company on contract overseas?

PM if you would care to share pros/cons or the good, bad, and ugly...

PSS/DDM Kabul is the job specifically...

I don’t know what these dudes are talking about above ^ but for PSS medic, Garda is a stepping stone. They are for sure not a great company to stay with but network with the homies, get names and after you get your DOS clearance and complete your first contract, then I would start looking at other companies. Build a resume. Also talk to whoever’s trying to recruit you at Garda and make sure you understand the Afghan tax, and any bonuses they are offering. They kind of cancel each other out, but ask to be sure this is current still. It’s usually a 6 month in country, ABOUT 3 months on, 3 months off.

Pro tip, be the new guy, get your foot in the contracting door, stfu, do your time, get in with the homies, look for the next best thing.
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cons: job sucks, money could be better, higher quality guys to work with other places.
Pros: better than nothing.
 
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Fuck the Afghan tax. Even at the DDM rate it isn’t worth it to go there for them. The only caveat to that is if you NEED the money.

I was a DDM in Kabul back when you could take LCs out on your off time and hit the markets and bases. Was a good time then. Now it’s apparently verboten lol. I do miss it but I wouldn’t go back just because of that tax garbage.

Never worked for Guarda but from what I’ve heard and seen, I’d go be a DDM elsewhere. Plenty of spots for DDMs on stacks of other TOs and gigs.

Best of luck

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Noticed this above but forgot to mention it. A post above mentioned that there is no overtime/set hours or worker’s comp, which may be true for what his brother did in the states but that isn’t true on WPS.

As a PSS/DDM on a WPS contract, DOS outlines how longyou can stay in country and how many hours you can work in your 6 day workweek. As of 2019, it was 180 days max in country and 12hr shifts x 6 days a week. I believe there are still stipulations in the SOW that cover exceptions to time on ground and pay for days worked when off, but usually only medics get asked to work the 7th day. Most TOs are hurting for Medics and DDMs, however DOS, as a whole, have been reducing their footprint abroad. If your TO is hurting for DDMs you could ask for an extension bonus (for staying past your initial rotation date assignment) or, depending on need/tempo/staffing issues, ask for a day rate increase. However nothing is guaranteed, and that includes nothing but the day you’re currently working. AKA you might wake up and be going home the next day due to number reductions or home on leave waiting to head back and get notice that your company lost the TO or reduced their DDM numbers. ....or worse, arrive in country to think you’ll be a DDM (with DDM pay) only to be told “sorry we had to reduce DDM numbers so we can only bill the client for two on ground right now so you’ll be a PSS”...which isn’t a violation of your contract because you’re also a PSS’er and your agreement to be a PSS/DDM outlines that you may be paid/used as a PSS.

As for the getting injured part, you’re covered providing it occurs during the course of your duties. I was never physically injured (only loss was brain cells) while on a WPS TO, but it used to be of you were injured at all while oconus, you were covered. So off or on days, if you slipped on stairs, fell off a roof, hurt yourself in the gym, blew out your back because you played video games in your room for 48hrs straight, etc, you were protected under DBA. I think they changed it up because I remember hearing a warning in early 2019 that DBA is now only applicable if you’re hurt on shift/mission/paid hours. ...but I could be wrong because of the source (on ground management lol). Either way, don’t get hurt doing stupid shit. Most WPS injuries are pride/ego related. Either doing something stupid in training or in the gym. While WC/DBA pays you during recovery, it is a very reduced rate and should allow you to come back, but you may have to recert on weapons and a PFT before you’re allowed to deploy. Then it’s a matter of will they have a DDM spot for you or will your only option be to deploy as a PSS’er. ...which I think McDonald’s janitors make more than a PSS’er in AFG WPS today. Not sure though, as I am a Senior Master of the Custodial Arts at Burger King.

Last thing... WPS PSS/DDMis pretty standard across the board as it’s all under DOS. That being said, make sure you not only read every line of GW’s contract but also ask your recruiter for a copy of the Kabul TO Statement of Work. This will outline the Task Order award between Guarda and State, and cover everything. It’s pretty much lateral limits of what can and cannot be done and what is and isn’t required. That being said, GW can always add to (but not take away from) items covered in the SOW by making a company policy. Best bet is to crack open an energy drink and read all 350+ pages of the SOW with a highlighter next to you.

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#TrustNoWPSCompany
#ReadYourContractAndSOW
#ItsMyMoneyAndINeedItNow
 
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Garda is mostly where the people who couldn't get onto other billets and/or were sent home from them at some point for bad behavior or incompetance end up. If you're new to contracting this is a double edged sword as the bar for you to get in is lower, but then you have them listed as your only previous experience.

WTF are you doing that you'd only make $150k a year? Or is the 150 what your base rate adds up to for a 40 hour week yet you'll actually be billing an additional 40 hours per week of overtime plus hazard/hardship differential?

That can't be right because how things worked over there was they needed bodies left and right and couldn't even fill most billets and would basically pay high rates to get asses in seats; or the contracts dried up/thinned out and if you didn't have 10+ years contracting they didnt even talk to you.

I've been out of it for a bit, but they are still a thing for DoD mainly because they are able to throw bodies at contracts/contract MODs that happen out of nowhere that other Primes/subs don't have 100 people sitting around for. Quantity over quality and as mentioned above, they have higher turnover than anyone.
 
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Fuck the Afghan tax. Even at the DDM rate it isn’t worth it to go there for them. The only caveat to that is if you NEED the money.

I was a DDM in Kabul back when you could take LCs out on your off time and hit the markets and bases. Was a good time then. Now it’s apparently verboten lol. I do miss it but I wouldn’t go back just because of that tax garbage.

Never worked for Guarda but from what I’ve heard and seen, I’d go be a DDM elsewhere. Plenty of spots for DDMs on stacks of other TOs and gigs.

Best of luck

Meester Meester. Soldier man I give you CD movie. 1 for $4 or 3 for $20.

Wait..what?

My favorite was seeling the stalls that would sell American flags, like I'm flying over there to blow their shit up and yes, I definetly needed to find an American flag over here.
 
I still can't get over the 150k thing.

Either OP totally misunderstood the pay structure or they are going to pay him 150k a year salary.

Meanwhile, Garda bills him as security personnel - intermediate @ 125/hr with a 40/40 work week and pockets his 33% hazard, 33% hardship differentials.
 
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I still can't get over the 150k thing.

Either OP totally misunderstood the pay structure or they are going to pay him 150k a year salary.

Meanwhile, Garda bills him as security personnel - intermediate @ 125/hr with a 40/40 work week and pockets his 33% hazard, 33% hardship differentials.
Then again dude, there was a company paying dudes $150 a day in Helmand back in 2012 to stand in towers. ...Fuck that. I'd be a damn commissary bagger thats survives on tips before I worked Helmand for 150 a day. But you show 150 a day to an E3 who just got out and they'll think they are loaded.

I think there is a miscommunication somewhere between him and his recruiter because PSS/DDMs should be making at LEAST $550 a day right now. If they aren't offering him that then he needs to look elsewhere because I know of at least one company that isn't in AFG that pays their DDMs 550 a day plus weekly per diem in cash. The TO is brain cell killing but it is 198k (not counting per diem cash) for four 90 day (worked days of a 105 rotation) deployments. Did I mention no AFG tax? lol

Note on looking elsewhere: WPS2 added an extra year of experience time in order to be a DDM. IF it is still a WPS1 TO, then it is just a formal year of time as a school-trained sniper. Not sure what experience the OP has or what TO Guarda has in AFG but OP, if you meet the WPS2 requirements, go be a DDM elsewhere and make more all while not dealing with AFG and their BS tax.
 
It’s supposed to be. The industry has been saturated. Companies have undercut each other in bids and after the 20% afghan tax you are usually at about $500 or so a day. However, things change. Not sure what they are paying now for DOS contracts but it wouldn’t surprise me if it dropped.

Then again dude, there was a company paying dudes $150 a day in Helmand back in 2012 to stand in towers. ...Fuck that. I'd be a damn commissary bagger thats survives on tips before I worked Helmand for 150 a day. But you show 150 a day to an E3 who just got out and they'll think they are loaded.

I think there is a miscommunication somewhere between him and his recruiter because PSS/DDMs should be making at LEAST $550 a day right now. If they aren't offering him that then he needs to look elsewhere because I know of at least one company that isn't in AFG that pays their DDMs 550 a day plus weekly per diem in cash. The TO is brain cell killing but it is 198k (not counting per diem cash) for four 90 day (worked days of a 105 rotation) deployments. Did I mention no AFG tax? lol

Note on looking elsewhere: WPS2 added an extra year of experience time in order to be a DDM. IF it is still a WPS1 TO, then it is just a formal year of time as a school-trained sniper. Not sure what experience the OP has or what TO Guarda has in AFG but OP, if you meet the WPS2 requirements, go be a DDM elsewhere and make more all while not dealing with AFG and their BS tax.
 
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It’s supposed to be. The industry has been saturated. Companies have undercut each other in bids and after the 20% afghan tax you are usually at about $500 or so a day. However, things change. Not sure what they are paying now for DOS contracts but it wouldn’t surprise me if it dropped.

As of my last gig (2019), DDMs were 550 a day. No idea if they cut it for 2020 but it wouldn’t surprise me.

As more stuff pops off, pay will go back up. Or at least hopefully it will for those guys getting out and wanting to make some cash.
 
As of my last gig (2019), DDMs were 550 a day. No idea if they cut it for 2020 but it wouldn’t surprise me.

As more stuff pops off, pay will go back up. Or at least hopefully it will for those guys getting out and wanting to make some cash.

Let me math my percents with with zeros!! Yeah you right. In 2018 we got a bonus that almost gave back what we lost in tax. I think there was a lost a lot of decent people who jumped ship as that happened, so that was the solution to to maintain retention.

It’s why I tell build up their resume and network. There’s better companies that aren’t full of the usual good ol boy club of idiots.
 
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I am the OP and I never mentioned $150K... I think Chevy_man was the first to say anything about pay, but I will say he is not far off from what I was told. As I have talked to a couple of others in PMs, I am 26 years into my LE career and was looking into making the change. This is all pretty new stuff to me on the contractor side of things I am just trying to glean as much info from the REAL GUYS that know something... YOU GUYS.....
 
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Just doing some simple math, not knowing nearly everything... I was told $165K/yr, rotation are 105 days in, 35 out.... I guess the way I have it figured, that would be 295 days working given that rotation, which works out to $559 per "work day".... Maybe that is not how it works at all....
 
Just doing some simple math, not knowing nearly everything... I was told $165K/yr, rotation are 105 days in, 35 out.... I guess the way I have it figured, that would be 295 days working given that rotation, which works out to $559 per "work day".... Maybe that is not how it works at all....

Fuck salary talk.

Ask them what your base rate would be as well as how many hours the contract has you 'billing' per week as well as how long the rotation is. This comes into play as well if you end up staying longer/the contract receives a MOD extension, etc as your base rate will dictate pay.

From that you'll get a look at what you'll realistically earn.


Not sure how much it would differ from the set up they are showing you, but the way I figured my pay on 2 of the 3 contracts I was on was this:


Base rate x 40 hours = weekly base pay

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Base rate x 40 hours at overtime rate = weekly overtime pay

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.33 x base rate x 40 hours x 2 = weekly base hazard/hardship differential

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.33 x overtime base rate x 40 hours x 2 = weekly overtime hazard/hardship differential

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whatever per diem you are given (if in a place you are given a per diem) x days in pay cycle
 
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And this is why I reached out??
And you’re smart for doing so. Too many dudes jump into that world without doing their research

Yea dude “salary” is bullshit. The day rate, per diem (if applicable), rotation schedule, and country tax are the only three groups of numbers that matter on WPS.

You don’t get paid for the days you aren’t in country AND billable to the client. So travel days and in-processing/admin days aren’t billable so how can they say that you are a salaried employee? They might just be trying to push that nonsense to sell the position to you.

Typical WPS PSS/DDM rotations are 105/35, however you may get fucked your first rotation depending on where you fall into the roster. I’ve seen some come for two irthree weeks just to leave again for 35 days because that was the slot they fell into. Others, and this is common for medics and DDMs when working for companies that hire people who don’t know how to use excel, will arrive in country but not be given a rotation cycle as their billet is understaffed. So they keep you on ground with no rotation date and keep passing off your requests for vacation dates with “we are working on it and will let you know.” ...next thing you know you’ve done almost 180 days on ground and they finally give you a ticket home. #IveSeenIt #PoorLeadMedics #TrustNoTO

So out of that 105, you only work (and are billable) for 90 days, because WPS is now a 6 days on/1 day off schedule. SOW states that you can work up to 12hrs each day of the 6hr work week. Anything over that is overtime but ONLY billable if approved by DOS/the client. So the company can say you are scheduled for four 8hr shifts and two 12hr shifts a week (with one mandatory off day) but then get tasked with working six 12hr days without extra pay, because it’s part of the contract


Your rotations home (35 days, which include travel days so figure about 29-30 days home depending on flight plans) don’t count towards your time with the company, so if they ask you to do a year per commitment, then it’s billable days on ground and not calendar days.

Last rambling note: Apparently some companies hire support personnel that don’t know how to use MS Excel....because you have TOS where people leave teams pretty much every two weeks, which means multiple new people come to the team each month. This is a byproduct of shitty management and a huge red flag for prospective employees who want to be part of a professional team in a high threat environment. So your team cohesion is a concept that doesn’t exist and every two weeks or so you’re getting a new team member that you have to spin up on team SOPs and the AO. Then every month you get a new SL (either one coming off leave that was a SL on another teamor a new SL who was just bio approved and this will be his first “management” position). Talk about being efficient and effective at the team level lol. That includes you when you go home and come back...aka you don’t go back to your original team. However some quality companies hire competent staff/admin people that know how to spell their own names and actually use excel...which results in team cohesion, efficiency, and effectiveness, as you return to your team when you come back from leave.

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(Addition: ever since I did the update on my phone, my posts have been riddled with spacing/errors. Ignore all that and gather what’s meant from context lol. My apologies for not going back and editing lol).
 
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You with all that “math” stuff
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Contractors after each payday trying to break down if (how much) they are getting screwed:
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