They're advertised as a first stage of 2 1/2 lbs and second stage of 2 lbs. I know they say this is not a match trigger, but those number sound pretty darn good. I'm looking for a trigger for my varmint gun and don't like super light triggers. Even my bolt guns are set at 2.5 lbs. All the reviews are excellent (on any Geissele product), but are those pull weights accurate. I've read some reviews saying their more like 4 lbs (which is alittle too high for me). Most the reviews say they're just as good as their DMR, but just isn't adjustable. I have a RRA 2 stage now. Should I just send it off to Bill Springfield or go with the SSA. I don't really want to spend the 270 for the high-end Geissele, especially since I want a 2.5 lbs trigger anyways. Any input and advice would be appreciated.
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Geissele SSA ?
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Re: Geissele SSA ?
I've got 2 RRA NM triggers, one that's well used, and one that has less than 400rds on it. I'd say my SSA is right in between those RRA NM on pull weight. I don't have a trigger pull gauge. For me it's just a feel thing.
I was actually pretty disappointed with the SSA after all the internet hype. All I can hope is that it's as durable as they say and it will wear in. I probably only have 300rds on it.
I've got 2 RRA NM triggers, one that's well used, and one that has less than 400rds on it. I'd say my SSA is right in between those RRA NM on pull weight. I don't have a trigger pull gauge. For me it's just a feel thing.
I was actually pretty disappointed with the SSA after all the internet hype. All I can hope is that it's as durable as they say and it will wear in. I probably only have 300rds on it.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
SSA is a great trigger if you like 2 stages ... i sold two Springfield triggers for it ... I had a Geissele DMR trigger but I think the simple setup of the SSA is better for an AR Platform.
SSA is a great trigger if you like 2 stages ... i sold two Springfield triggers for it ... I had a Geissele DMR trigger but I think the simple setup of the SSA is better for an AR Platform.
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i am trying one now, the DMR, and i honestly dont like it as much as the timney i was useing..... hard to get used to the LONG first stage
i am trying one now, the DMR, and i honestly dont like it as much as the timney i was useing..... hard to get used to the LONG first stage
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I LOVE my SSA, I have a RRA 2 stage too, but I will only be buying the SSA. I dont know the pull weight, but when I get home, I will check for you.
I LOVE my SSA, I have a RRA 2 stage too, but I will only be buying the SSA. I dont know the pull weight, but when I get home, I will check for you.
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A two stage ar trigger with a 2 lb first stage and a 2 1/2 second stage will be a 4 1/2 lb trigger you add the 2 together to get the total lbs of pull it takes to operate the trigger. If you want a 2 1/2 trigger for your ar you will have to go single stage and 2 1/2 single stage on a ar is a tad on the light side I.M.O. 3lb 0r 4lb is about right or you may start doubleing.
Scot
A two stage ar trigger with a 2 lb first stage and a 2 1/2 second stage will be a 4 1/2 lb trigger you add the 2 together to get the total lbs of pull it takes to operate the trigger. If you want a 2 1/2 trigger for your ar you will have to go single stage and 2 1/2 single stage on a ar is a tad on the light side I.M.O. 3lb 0r 4lb is about right or you may start doubleing.
Scot
Re: Geissele SSA ?
The first stage or take up weight is essentially a non-issue IMHO. These are incredibly easy triggers to shoot. In practice, I find them like a good bolt gun trigger in controlability. The adjustable ones are amazing, and the SSA is still darn good. They do wear in a little as to feel, but you will wear out the gun before the trigger parts. Use a good grease for the best feel and life.
The reset point is farther back than where the first stage starts from a rest, so when shooting fast, think of it like a Glock, and don't let it all the way back out.
The first stage or take up weight is essentially a non-issue IMHO. These are incredibly easy triggers to shoot. In practice, I find them like a good bolt gun trigger in controlability. The adjustable ones are amazing, and the SSA is still darn good. They do wear in a little as to feel, but you will wear out the gun before the trigger parts. Use a good grease for the best feel and life.
The reset point is farther back than where the first stage starts from a rest, so when shooting fast, think of it like a Glock, and don't let it all the way back out.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
I have their Match 2-stage trigger and love it. Over 500rd's with no decernable issues.
Match Trigger Pull Weights:
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First Stage: 1.3 – 3 pounds (2 pound nominal)
Second Stage: 4 to 14 ounces
The Geissele Hi-Speed Match Rifle Trigger is designed for NRA High Power Rifle competition with the highly modified AR10.
I'm adjusted at 2 lb 1st stage and it breaks the 2nd stage at 10oz according to my spring pull scale.
very light and has has a great feel.
I have their Match 2-stage trigger and love it. Over 500rd's with no decernable issues.
Match Trigger Pull Weights:
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First Stage: 1.3 – 3 pounds (2 pound nominal)
Second Stage: 4 to 14 ounces
The Geissele Hi-Speed Match Rifle Trigger is designed for NRA High Power Rifle competition with the highly modified AR10.
I'm adjusted at 2 lb 1st stage and it breaks the 2nd stage at 10oz according to my spring pull scale.
very light and has has a great feel.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
From what a buddy of mine was saying, his DMR trigger was WAYYYY better than my SSA. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try his out. I'm guessing the Match 2stage would be an even greater difference.
I'm wondering if the SSA's vary in quality/feel. I see some of you have said you had RRA NM, and prefer the SSA. I have nearly the exact opposite opinion. I'm pretty sure the SSA is fully heat treated. Also, I do think that lock time is quite faster and the disturbance to the rifle is way less. When dryfiring, I've noticed, very little vibration compared to other triggers. I just know that my RRA triggers break cleaner with less overall force being applied to the trigger.
I can shoot quite well with the SSA. It might be worth doing a side by side comparison of both my triggers on the same upper to see if I have a noticeable difference in group size.
From what a buddy of mine was saying, his DMR trigger was WAYYYY better than my SSA. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try his out. I'm guessing the Match 2stage would be an even greater difference.
I'm wondering if the SSA's vary in quality/feel. I see some of you have said you had RRA NM, and prefer the SSA. I have nearly the exact opposite opinion. I'm pretty sure the SSA is fully heat treated. Also, I do think that lock time is quite faster and the disturbance to the rifle is way less. When dryfiring, I've noticed, very little vibration compared to other triggers. I just know that my RRA triggers break cleaner with less overall force being applied to the trigger.
I can shoot quite well with the SSA. It might be worth doing a side by side comparison of both my triggers on the same upper to see if I have a noticeable difference in group size.
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Pull weights are dead nuts on for Giessele products.
What it boils down to is this - Bill makes only 2 different triggers - the SSA and all others. Here are the differences:
SSA = standard trigger finger placement (CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal) and no screw adjustments. Very much like the RRA in this regard but higher quality materials.
All the rest = forward (CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal) trigger placement, screw adjustments for second stage weight, sear engagement, and over travel. 3 different trigger (not hammer) springs used between the 3 variants - Service, DMR, and Match in order of minimum weight - 4.5, 3.5, and 2.5 lbs. The parts for all 3 are identical sans the user-replaceable trigger spring. You can order the one trigger with all 3 springs if you want to experiment with the different pull weights.
All 4 mentioned above can have their first stage weight adjusted by bending the trigger spring legs per his instructions. All but the SSA can have their second stage weights adjusted via a screw.
That is all there is to Bill's products. Pick what you want and go with it. No need to compare single and two stage triggers here - apples and oranges. Also regarding over travel, the Giessele trigger is designed to give more over travel as this is commonly viewed as a benefit for accuracy.
Neither Timney nor McCormick triggers are CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal.
Pull weights are dead nuts on for Giessele products.
What it boils down to is this - Bill makes only 2 different triggers - the SSA and all others. Here are the differences:
SSA = standard trigger finger placement (CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal) and no screw adjustments. Very much like the RRA in this regard but higher quality materials.
All the rest = forward (CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal) trigger placement, screw adjustments for second stage weight, sear engagement, and over travel. 3 different trigger (not hammer) springs used between the 3 variants - Service, DMR, and Match in order of minimum weight - 4.5, 3.5, and 2.5 lbs. The parts for all 3 are identical sans the user-replaceable trigger spring. You can order the one trigger with all 3 springs if you want to experiment with the different pull weights.
All 4 mentioned above can have their first stage weight adjusted by bending the trigger spring legs per his instructions. All but the SSA can have their second stage weights adjusted via a screw.
That is all there is to Bill's products. Pick what you want and go with it. No need to compare single and two stage triggers here - apples and oranges. Also regarding over travel, the Giessele trigger is designed to give more over travel as this is commonly viewed as a benefit for accuracy.
Neither Timney nor McCormick triggers are CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
I have both the trigger's that you have spoken about - SSA and a DMR. They are easy to install. The SSA is a nice trigger but it is not the DMR which of course is 100 dollars more. I find the SSA as a good alternative to the DMR for a M4 which is easier to run and gun with.
I have both the trigger's that you have spoken about - SSA and a DMR. They are easy to install. The SSA is a nice trigger but it is not the DMR which of course is 100 dollars more. I find the SSA as a good alternative to the DMR for a M4 which is easier to run and gun with.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All the rest = forward (CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal) trigger placement</div></div>
WOW! This is a huge deal. How short the LOP of the trigger to web of the hand has always bothered me on the AR platform. This is why I run the duckbill backstraps of the MIAD. Same reason I use the CG Jackson trigger on my AICS equipped M2008. Only rifle that felt right without adjustment is my 700 with A4 stock and pre-xmark trigger.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also regarding over travel, the Giessele trigger is designed to give more over travel as this is commonly viewed as a benefit for accuracy.</div></div>
Very interesting. I take all the over-travel stops out of my bolt action triggers, but never considered the same thing for an autoloading rifle. Really, the only thing I've ever seen a need for an overtravel stop in was pistols for faster reset for faster followup shots.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All the rest = forward (CMP and NRA Service Rifle legal) trigger placement</div></div>
WOW! This is a huge deal. How short the LOP of the trigger to web of the hand has always bothered me on the AR platform. This is why I run the duckbill backstraps of the MIAD. Same reason I use the CG Jackson trigger on my AICS equipped M2008. Only rifle that felt right without adjustment is my 700 with A4 stock and pre-xmark trigger.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also regarding over travel, the Giessele trigger is designed to give more over travel as this is commonly viewed as a benefit for accuracy.</div></div>
Very interesting. I take all the over-travel stops out of my bolt action triggers, but never considered the same thing for an autoloading rifle. Really, the only thing I've ever seen a need for an overtravel stop in was pistols for faster reset for faster followup shots.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
well i decide to send it off to triggerworks. hopefully i'll be pleased with it when i get it back, but since my rifle came with the rra already, figured i'd go this route first.
well i decide to send it off to triggerworks. hopefully i'll be pleased with it when i get it back, but since my rifle came with the rra already, figured i'd go this route first.
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We (a bud and I, both decent offhand shooters) are going to do some Rika testing tomorrow with the Giessele Service Rifle trigger. One will be set up with max over travel, one with minimum. Offhand shooting. Comparing the traces will be interesting.
We (a bud and I, both decent offhand shooters) are going to do some Rika testing tomorrow with the Giessele Service Rifle trigger. One will be set up with max over travel, one with minimum. Offhand shooting. Comparing the traces will be interesting.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
Have a Noveske with the Giessele trigger and recently installed a RRA NM in another AR. I prefer the RRA myself and picked it up for 105.00 making it the better choice for me by far.
Im not sure about pull weight on either one but the RRA feels better to me.
Have a Noveske with the Giessele trigger and recently installed a RRA NM in another AR. I prefer the RRA myself and picked it up for 105.00 making it the better choice for me by far.
Im not sure about pull weight on either one but the RRA feels better to me.
Re: Geissele SSA ?
I run one on my SBR and one on my SPR and really like them both. I wanted a improved trigger from stock without getting into adjustments and a complicated install. This went right in and I havent had to look at it since.
I run one on my SBR and one on my SPR and really like them both. I wanted a improved trigger from stock without getting into adjustments and a complicated install. This went right in and I havent had to look at it since.
