Germany introducing mandatory measles vaccination for kids

[hermosabeach]

Germany introducing mandatory measles vaccination for kids

The German government is proposing a measure to make measles vaccinations mandatory for children and employees of kindergartens and schools.

apnews.com

The German government is proposing a measure to make measles vaccinations mandatory for children and employees of kindergartens and schools.
Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Cabinet approved the plan Wednesday, noting the number of measles infections has risen significantly in recent years. Lawmakers in parliament, where Merkel’s governing coalition holds a majority, are expected to approve the law.
In the phased-in program beginning in March, parents of school-aged children, starting at kindergarten, will have to provide proof of vaccination.

 

[ArmyJerry]

They are called German measles aint they.

 

[RyanScott]

Good.

That bullshit about the MMR being bad for you is a Russian plot to weaken the west.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

A bit of an oldie. But bears repeating. Again and again...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Good.
That bullshit about the MMR being bad for you is a Russian plot to weaken the west.

Yet another freedom loving type is all about freedom and individual liberty.... right up till the government says Shut up and we are going to inject some stuff into you and it's for your own good and the good of our society and no you don't get to ask what is in it....

And we wonder why we can't get a united front together to attack the communists....

What do you expect? Import half the disease ridden middle east into your country & let them run around and wonder why people get sick.

What do you want to bet this forced "vaccination" campaign is ONLY for German citizens and does not apply to "refugees"?

They also act like a few folks getting measles is some horrible thing that is the end of the world?
Grow the hell up.
For many folks Measles, then German Measles, then Mumps was kind of a pain in the ass because it kept you in bed for a bit (well except for German Measles which might not slow you down much if you are healthy).

It's sad to see how many "freedom" types totally throw their freedom away and the freedom of everyone else the moment the government says "but it's for your own good".

One day those vaccines you can't be bothered to research will be used against you by those who rule over you.

If you want to talk vaccines being mandatory... well first every single ingredient must be public knowledge and rigorously scientifically debated no hiding something or slipping something in.

The entire production process must be fully transparent including all material suppliers.

And how about no liability limits or protections for when these "well they are totally always safe" vaccines cause injury / death

Oh and how about free full cognitive and brain function tests if you want them before and some good months after.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I know the report is about ze Germans, but I’m tagging in for the #NoVaccinateSnek crowd.
???

 

[ArmyJerry]

its the people with the vaccinations that are dying,,, fuck big pharma

 

[brianf]

By the way the measles outbreak started last year
Keep taking in refugees with no shots...kill your own citizens
Now the real question are they vaccinating the taliban that they let in the country
Or are they powerless unless it their own citizens

 

[P-Squared]

I'm old enough that I didn't get vaccinated. If one kid in the neighborhood got infected, that weekend there would be a party at their house so we all got infected.

The TWO vaccinations I got were polio, and smallpox. Other than that, the ole natural immune system took care of what it was supposed to do.

We also didn't have annual 'flu' epidemics either. Not that it never occurred, we just didn't have it every year. Riddle me that one batman.

Let the flaming begin - vaxers against anti-vaxer.

 

[vh20]

its the people with the vaccinations that are dying,,, fuck big pharma

Do tell?

 

[Tazman]

I am here right now in Nuremberg.....don't be telling me this crap!!lol

 

[hermosabeach]

When it is a socialist system and the system pays for healthcare - everyone gets a shot

 

[Fweedombypepe]

I have a 15 month old and a 3 1/2 year old.

Both have only been to one doctors appt in their life....the two week checkup after birth.​

Both haven't had any vaccines. Im not going to bore you with any facts or reasons why not.
Cause it wont change your mind. Some people have minds of their own and ask questions and do research....like reading a label on a vaccine vial. And some like to suck Big Pharma's #ock and blindly nod and say yes please when a white coat speaks.

Today I got a call from the CDC. On my cell. I didn't answer. They left a recorded msg saying they're conducting a nationwide study on child immunizations. That I should call them.

Coincidence? I think not.

 

[TheGerman]

Would do better if they gave an anti beta cuck socialism vaccine instead.

 

[kl3309]

I have a 15 month old and a 3 1/2 year old.
Both have only been to one doctors appt in their life....the two week checkup after birth.
Both haven't had any vaccines. Im not going to bore you with any facts or reasons why not.
Cause it wont change your mind. Some people have minds of their own and ask questions and do research....like reading a label on a vaccine vial. And some like to suck Big Pharma's #ock and blindly nod and say yes please when a white coat speaks.

Today I got a call from the CDC. On my cell. I didn't answer. They left a recorded msg saying they're conducting a nationwide study on child immunizations. That I should call them.

Coincidence? I think not.

You know you can block those pesky CDC calls by wrapping your phone in aluminum foil, right?

 

[FS1]

I don't use foil, yet I don't get a flu shot every year either. Maybe I will die from the flu, that is my choice.

I would like to see a study. A real study done by real unbiased researchers. What study? A study on what diseases have become prevalent since vaccinations began. Were those diseases around before vaccinations and just not identified yet? Or are they new formed since vaccinations began.

This study will never happen unless paid for by Govt or big pharma. The problem with that is the answers will be what they wanted them to be $$, not necessarily what they truly are.

Polio is dead through vaccination. and this is good. But we have no idea of any possible negatives caused by vaccinations because talking about it makes you a foil hatter. When questioning the status quo labels you crazy, something is wrong.

Cut your penis off that's ok. But never ever question the status quo about the Vax you lunatic. I don't know the answers, but I do know you are not allowed to ask the questions. This should disturb everyone.

 

[M8541Reaper]

lol

small sample size -> evidence in support of position

independent study -> biased unless it supports previous stance

“I haven’t died or caught ____ disease.” Is not evidence that being unvaccinated is the right thing to do.

“There is was a tweet that a kid got autism from a vaccination.”
Is not evidence that being unvaccinated is the better choice.

How about this, it’s your choice to (or not to) vaccinate. But if you don’t, then you don’t get to play with the rest of us in a civilized society.

 

[FS1]

How about this, it’s your choice to (or not to) vaccinate. But if you don’t, then you don’t get to play with the rest of us in a civilized society.

Why? You were vaccinated against me correct? They use to write poetry about marching to a different drummer. Now they write blacklist's for doing just that.

I never joined Facebook because of privacy concerns. At least I am correct sometimes.

 

[W54/XM-388]

How about this, it’s your choice to (or not to) vaccinate. But if you don’t, then you don’t get to play with the rest of us in a civilized society.

Yep, making my point once again.
So unless someone mindlessly submits to what the government says, then they shouldn't be allowed to stay in their own country?
Be careful, really careful what you wish for as you are going to get it by the truckload once you let the Communists gain a tiny bit of power.

There was a lot more "civilized society" as you like to mention it back when vaccinations were only done for really bad deadly stuff.

You should be able to be perfectly immune then shouldn't you to everyone else?

 

[Fweedombypepe]

How about this, it’s your choice to (or not to) vaccinate. But if you don’t, then you don’t get to play with the rest of us in a civilized society.

You obviously have no idea how natural or "induced immunity" works.

Fact: Get measles as a kid...never have measles again. Plus have less chance of getting some cancers.

Fact #2: Get measles vaccinations...still get measles when it comes around. Like it always does...vaxxed or not vaxxed.
Big shitten deal. Now what about the aluminum and mercury that got slipped past your blood brain barrier with the help of Polysorbate 80?
How are you gonna get that out?

 

[brianf]

on the side of Vax or not

what is skewing the numbers and opinion are the worlds population stats which not everybody is aware of

1955 2.7 billion
2019 7.7 billion

thats 5 BILLION more people with the same land mass

population in urban/city areas (densely populated/breeding grounds)

1955 700 million
2019 2.1 billion

thats 1.4 BILLION more people living next to each other

population density went from 17 people per SQ/KM to 52 people per SQ/KM

the US alone has approx 3X the population it had during WW2 and we didnt uncover or acquire more land

include:
airfare
national highway systems
immigration
centralized "city" water systems (not some random well water in the mountains)

these diseases that were once local are world wide and their ability to migrate quickly because of population density is what the scary part is for the CDC guys

the sheer number of potential doses and raw material required that would be needed because of the population boom has become so large that the CDC to push for VAX's, if something happens a epidemic could be unstoppable in theory

to be blunt, a few bad apples to save the bushel in their opinion

just on pure math, feelings and effectiveness of shots aside

dont expect or want a battle over vax's just throwing out some facts for the next guy

 

[W54/XM-388]

Fact #2: Get measles vaccinations...still get measles when it comes around. Like it always does...vaxxed or not vaxxed.
Big shitten deal. Now what about the aluminum and mercury that got slipped past your blood brain barrier with the help of Polysorbate 80?
How are you gonna get that out?

That part right there is why a lot of people don't like just swallow the government line and inject up their kids or themselves.
They would prefer not to get all that stuff (that the same government says is a health risk in other things) shoved into their blood.

You can however get measles and then later on get German measles as it seems they are 2 different strains.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

Isn't that effing scary? What if that was your child! Damn anti vaxxers causing all the kids to get measles.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

Oops. Maybe they should've gotten their own photo to Photoshop.

Whose spreading propaganda? Whose lying? Who has an agenda?

Not me. I honestly don't care if you give your kids all 72 vaccines on the schedule. It'll be on your head if your childs liver is one of those that can't get the aluminum and mercury and nickel out fast enough before permanent brain damage occurs.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

Polio is dead through vaccination. and this is good.

Are you sure?
Again..it's simply what CDC is telling us.

If it weren't for the scare of polio and the photos of crippled kids, vaxxed rates would be much lower. I guarantee it.

Did you know polio was almost completely eradicated before the vaccine was even invented? They quit making DDT and spraying everybody and reclassified what polio actually is and numbers went down.

Nature abhors a vacuum. And vaccines create vacuums. Kill off one strain, and a more virulent strain moves in to take its place.

The science isn't settled..

you can't eff with nature and think your going to make the world a better place for good.

In the next few years your going to see the push for older people to go and get vaccines again. Booster shots. Because they wear off. The fake immunity they create doesn't last for long.

Getting measles as an adult can be horrible. But if you get it as a kid..it's a trivial childhood disease.

 

[agbm]

Vaccinations have Heavy Metals in them. When a baby is born they have a shot schedule to follow. Every one should look at the amount of shots that child will get in a short period of time. Heavy metals go straight to the brain. Not every child will develope autism but many will.

Think about the Gulf War Syndrome and the white pill. 100% of the people that took the pill were not affected, but look at the number of people that were!!!!!

 

[acudaowner]

they can vaccinate all they want

 

[MTB doc]

Just curious, how many people here have treated a significant number of measles encephalitis or pneumonia patients?

 

[Fweedombypepe]

Just curious, how many people here have treated a significant number of measles encephalitis or pneumonia patients?

Not me. Enlighten us.

Also for those who have treated the side effects of the MMR vaccine, please respond too. They include, but are not limited to, deafness, long-term seizures, coma, lowered consciousness, permanent brain damage, and death.

 

[MTB doc]

"Getting measles as an adult can be horrible. But if you get it as a kid..it's a trivial childhood disease."

I am honestly not sure enlightenment is possible with a statement that is so profoundly fucking stupid as that one is.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Just curious, how many people here have treated a significant number of measles encephalitis or pneumonia patients?

All I can say is I personally knew several hundred children over my childhood that got measles as well as usually German measles, none of us heard of anyone we knew of that didn't just need a week or so in bed and some constant attention / supervision to make a complete recovery.

As far as lung stuff goes, the only time I ever saw it was after dealing with untreated very high (won't bother saying how high since you'll say it couldn't have happened) fevers for a bit too long thanks to some Asian fun stuff... that meant sitting on the beach in the sun for 2 weeks till your lungs cleared up. That one probably could have used with actual medical attention if anyone was you know in the actual first world and not the middle of nowhere.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

Just curious, how many people here have treated a significant number of measles encephalitis or pneumonia patients?

Oh, and just curious..what was the MMR vaccination rate of your measles encephalitis patients? Of the ones who already had the vaccine....how long prior to the encephalitis were they vaccinated.

I have no theories about what the answer will be. I'm simply curious.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I am honestly not sure enlightenment is possible with a statement that is so profoundly fucking stupid as that one is.

It really depends on the circumstances and also if the children have strong immune systems.
I would of course not recommend getting it and probably it would be best to avoid doing so if possible.

From my experience however, regular measles was a bit of a pain in the rear as it was being in bed for a week and feeling kind of rotten.
German measles on the other hand, all us kids were running around full speed like we weren't even sick and had to be forced to get extra rest.
(The adult that I remember getting it however did seem to be really sick).

Your mileage may vary and a lot will depend on lifestyle, nutrition, immune system and the level of care you are given.

I would not recommend getting them if you don't have to have them.
That being said, I don't think it's as crazy deadly as the news makes it out to be.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

"Getting measles as an adult can be horrible. But if you get it as a kid..it's a trivial childhood disease."

I am honestly not sure enlightenment is possible with a statement that is so profoundly fucking stupid as that one is.

I have very little data to back up my statement. So I admit..technically it is a stupid statement.
I do personally know of a mom who got measles while she was pregnant. The resulting child has some lifelong issues and of course people say the measles caused it. No way to prove it.
I've heard other similar stories of adult suffering seemingly more then kids did.

I never had measles.....I did get a couple doses of the MMR.

Everybody older who I've asked all basically had the same experiences with measles as someone stated above. They itched...it sucked..and after a week they were back to normal.

So that's why I made the statement above. Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

In recent national news..it was reported that one in 10,000 measles patients dies.

Yet the CDC says 1 in 100,000.
Why the difference? Does anybody know? I dont Btw.

 

[MTB doc]

I rarely interact with non-professionals, especially on the internet, when it comes to medical topics that enter the political spectrum. Without the other person having the appropriate education and extensive experience, there is no point. I'm not sure why I even responded to this one. That being said, I could have toned down my response, but I am so tired of seeing all sorts of bs spewed out by people who essentially are uneducated on what they are speaking to.

The short and unequivocal answer is that it all comes down to math. When we use our own uneducated experience to draw a conclusion that needs an extremely large sample size, then for all practical purposes n=1, which means that 'conclusion' is useless.

This is a simple but very clear explanation:

Your child MUST walk to school from your house everyday. There are 2 different ways he/she could take. With the first route, your child has a 10% chance of getting hit by a car and dying before their 18th birthday. With the second route, there is a 1% chance of that happening. Which route are you going to make sure they take everyday?

 

[FishDr]

That just avoids the question.
I don’t have children so no skin in the game, but interested in the epidemiology of various pathogens.

 

[Inifinty]

I rarely interact with non-professionals

A lot of good going on, but in may ways the systems, techniques, drugs, and other methods have a lot of faults. Kinda irritating that "professionals" don't push back and improve things for improvements sake and not big money's.


Random stat, not sure of the accuracy, but we all know the numbers are way to friggen high.

 

[308pirate]

lol

small sample size -> evidence in support of position

independent study -> biased unless it supports previous stance

“I haven’t died or caught ____ disease.” Is not evidence that being unvaccinated is the right thing to do.

“There is was a tweet that a kid got autism from a vaccination.”
Is not evidence that being unvaccinated is the better choice.

How about this, it’s your choice to (or not to) vaccinate. But if you don’t, then you don’t get to play with the rest of us in a civilized society.

You will get to tolerate the unvaccinated amongst you, through force if need be.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

I rarely interact with non-professionals, especially on the internet, when it comes to medical topics that enter the political spectrum. Without the other person having the appropriate education and extensive experience, there is no point. I'm not sure why I even responded to this one. That being said, I could have toned down my response, but I am so tired of seeing all sorts of bs spewed out by people who essentially are uneducated on what they are speaking to.

The short and unequivocal answer is that it all comes down to math. When we use our own uneducated experience to draw a conclusion that needs an extremely large sample size, then for all practical purposes n=1, which means that 'conclusion' is useless.

This is a simple but very clear explanation:

Your child MUST walk to school from your house everyday. There are 2 different ways he/she could take. With the first route, your child has a 10% chance of getting hit by a car and dying before their 18th birthday. With the second route, there is a 1% chance of that happening. Which route are you going to make sure they take everyday?

Are you implying that if a child gets no vaccinations before the age of 18...he or she or whatever gender he or she most associates with, has a 9 percent higher death rate then the ones that got all their vaccines?

 

[ArmyJerry]

a child is not an it

 

[Fweedombypepe]

The precise reason I love this forum is because of the access to 'professionals' who can quickly dispel any bs ideas I've picked up thru the grapevine.

 

[Fweedombypepe]

a child is not an it

Fixed uncle Jerry.

 

[M8541Reaper]

a child is not an it

Obviously a child is an “it” because they have yet to choose their gender.

Hahaha I kid I kid.

A child is definitely an “it” though. ...unless they aren’t vaccinated... then they are dead lol.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Lol

 

[M8541Reaper]

You will get to tolerate the unvaccinated amongst you, through force if need be.

I know. :/ I have to deal with a bunch of idiots everyday so what’s another anti-vaccination weirdo?

Hopefully I live long enough to come across an anti-vaccination parent of a single child who home schools and sells essential oils and healing crystals.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I’ll just leave these right here.

 

[thejeep]

Just curious, how many people here have treated a significant number of measles encephalitis or pneumonia patients?

You didn’t mention herpes down the wind pipe.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I think the ones dying are the vaxxed kids. the unvaxxed kids develop immunities no?

 

[M8541Reaper]

I think the ones dying are the vaxxed kids. the unvaxxed kids develop immunities no?

I don’t know but there are a lot more memes about dead antivaxx kids than vaxx kids. This being the internet, I’d call that a win for the vaxxers.