Maggie’s Ghadaffi hires Columbian women snipers

[500grains]

It seems that sand people has some sort of mental block against learning to shoot well.

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Libyan rebels: Colombian female snipers fighting for Gadhafi

Libyan rebels are receiving reports that female snipers from Colombia have joined other mercenaries fighting to keep dictator Moammar Gadhafi in power.

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[EventHorizon]

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I wouldn't be surprised Blackwater or Xe or whatever those douche's call themselves, aren't there already protecting him and his lot.

 

[Guest]

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One of the longest we ever chased was a bitch. Never underestimate anyone with a gun, no matter age, or gender.
Giving them to much credit just slows you down, not dead.

 

[ranger1183]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the longest we ever chased was a bitch. Never underestimate anyone with a gun, no matter age, or gender.
Giving them to much credit just slows you down, not dead. </div></div>
I find the history of sniper's in combat very intriguing. I would love to hear more of that story! (Seriously)

 

[Guest]

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You ever get close to Bama drop me a line.

 

[ranger1183]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't be surprised Blackwater or Xe or whatever those douche's call themselves, aren't there already protecting him and his lot. </div></div>
Are you former Blackwater, Triple Canopy, DynCorp, etc?
Have you served in military special operations?
Have you deployed to combat with any of the intelligence agencies?
I'm guessing "NO" on all accounts.

If you knew first hand what services PSC's provide, who the PSC's clients actually are, the risks involved with providing these services and the level of experience and vetting required to get into the field, you would not be refering to Blackwater/Xe as "douche's".

 

[Stealff]

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I concur with Ranger1183, I've worked overseas for the past few years as an aircraft maintenance contractor in some not so friendly places, Blackwater was the security at all those sites, and they do a damn good job, put their life on the line everyday, and for the most part are really nice guys to work with.

 

[tomcatfan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stealff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I concur with Ranger1183, I've worked overseas for the past few years as an aircraft maintenance contractor in some not so friendly places, Blackwater was the security at all those sites, and they do a damn good job, put their life on the line everyday, and for the most part are really nice guys to work with. </div></div>

+1 on this, blackwater just does the job that the military is stretched to thin to do. They did a hell of a job in Iraq while I was there.

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't be surprised Blackwater or Xe or whatever those douche's call themselves, aren't there already protecting him and his lot. </div></div>
Are you former Blackwater, Triple Canopy, DynCorp, etc?
Have you served in military special operations?
Have you deployed to combat with any of the intelligence agencies?
I'm guessing "NO" on all accounts.

If you knew first hand what services PSC's provide, who the PSC's clients actually are, the risks involved with providing these services and the level of experience and vetting required to get into the field, you would not be refering to Blackwater/Xe as "douche's". </div></div>

I've also no experience of going house to house in the USA intimidating, threatening and disarming law abiding citizens just because there was money to be made by doing so. What vetting is needed to do that I wonder? How much do you have to value cash over the Constitution to get that cushy gig I wonder?

Mercenaries are not Paladins and their job function as you described used to be performed perfectly well by highly trained personnel who were part of the military and/or LE so it's not as if they're filling a new gap that no-one else dares fill.

Fact is, because the previous administration had a lot of promises to be kept a great deal of functions were 'out sourced' to private enterprises and hey presto, with a few short years a multi-billion dollar industry sprang up, with no oversight or accountability.

If you know something about them that I don't then I guess that's how it is. I don't claim perfect knowledge. Judging them by the actions that were clearly observed in New Orleans, I still say 'douche' and frankly, that's a compliment.

 

[Redmanss]

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I hate it when people with no idea what they're talking about start spouting off about things they've never seen or done themselves. Ranger1183, don't waste your time.

 

[Kevlars]

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Don't feed the trolls

 

[EventHorizon]

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I see, it's one of those, 'if you don't know, I won't tell you' things. Well, I've not seen first hand what they do in other countries, just what they did in New Orleans to people who were doing nothing other than trying to protect themselves...

BTW - the courts later ruled those actions illegal and unconstitutional.

 

[bcw1284]

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That has nothing to do with them being PSCs, hell the NOPD did the same damn thing to a lot of folks... including an elderly lady who was then robbed at gunpoint a couple days after being forcibly disarmed by the NOPD.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds, anyone can make that decision at any time.

Just because one detachment may have been tangled up in some stupid shit doesn't make them all into some sort of Illuminati strong arm for sale to any old despot looking to stick around a while. You really sound like a crackpot when you start extrapolating from one incident to a whole industry, and then stack that up with unfounded accusations about current events.

BTW- lots of contractors have been killed over there in the shithole of the Earth, right alongside those still in the direct employ of Uncle. Lots more, both gov and psc have probably been casualties of the black-budget ops as well, and I doubt seriously that too much ever comes to light. No matter if mil, psc, CIA, whatever- It's all the same in my book, death doesn't ask for your w-2.

On Libya, Gaddafi, etc.:
Personally, I think someone needs to cowboy the fuck up and just smoke that freak (and his collection of crazy hats). I still blame him for Lockerbie, and that's reason enough in my book. Reagan should have pursued this while I was still in diapers, time hasn't helped anything.

 

[EventHorizon]

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BCW

I'll take that as fair criticism. It was a segment of the firm and not the entirety. My derision then should have been better and more narrowly expressed and I apologize for my generalizing.

Even with the more specific focus however we still have now a firm whose leadership is willing and has - some - resource able and willing to deploy here in the US under orders that very well may break US law. I still find that alarming as a civilian. The issues of accountability and oversight are also still there.

It'd be interesting to know what Xe's company policy is towards having Oathkeepers amongst their ranks.

The comment about them protecting Ghadaffi was not serious, just illustrative of my opinion based on the above.

 

[JSTARSZ]

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Interesting...I have never heard that before as I guess I was sleeping under a rock. Blackwater in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. That must bring up all kinds of legal implications to it. That may be a model for future sitautions in America during times of unrest. That is kind of scary to me.

 

[Guest]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was a segment of the firm and not the entirety.</div></div>

No matter the task or venue, there's always going to be an element that should have never been allowed to fill a slot. When management is looking for warm body's first and quality/integrity second your going to have bad press no matter what the main mission is/was.
That said, guys that live their oath and are excellent at mind fucking a yet to be completed task, will not stand by an watch shit happen or get out of hand, w/o recourse. Those that think everyone assigned to a PPD, PSC's, or specops blindly obeys all orders has never been there. Just like in the civi world, there is the letter of the law, then there is the intent, both similar, but totally different. Guys that stick to the letter, or blindly follow don't last long on the job or sometimes the field, depending.
True types like this (contractors)can be very brutal when they need to be but, that does not mean they don't have morels, nor will they cross the oath they took. Not every organizational group is the same, they may be wearing the same rags or patch's as the main but those in/of that unit make unit policy.
FWIW an YMMV

 

[ranger1183]

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FYI -

Just like in Iraq and Afghanistan, BW was far from being the only company working in the area. As a BW contractor in theater I can personally testify that a lot of incidents that happened were blamed on BW because that's the only "known" company name. Christ, if I had a nickel for all the times that TC, MVM, Erinys, EODT, ArmorGroup, MPRI, Global, Edinburgh, TSI and others were called "Blackwater" when something went wrong, I'd have my retirement plan paid for in spades!

But that's because I get my information from being there, not from reading the bullshit printed in the media. What you read in the press and see on TV is very ratings and politically motivated. And there ain't no love between the liberal media and a wealthy, former Navy SEAL, hardcore-Right-wing, unapologetic-Born-again Christian named Erik Prince.

Need ratings and want to stir the pot? Say some bullshit about it's being all Blackwater's fault and you're ratings will be golden.

The BW guys in New Orleans were NOT picked at random from the pool of available contractors. All, as in 100%, of the BW guys <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">working the streets</span></span> were required to be sworn Law Enforcement Officers. As in previous to BW employment these men were required to be badged police officers sworn in their duties to protect and defend. These men were vetted and approved by the Governor of Louisiana. So blame your elected officials fucking up crisis management, not the Law Enforcement men contracting with Blackwater to do what they were sworn and paid to do.

But that's ok. If you don't know shit about what you're talking about, just blame Blackwater!

 

[EventHorizon]

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Ranger,

I can appreciate the bad and biased press and how that can distort things. I'm also under no illusion about having anything near perfect information on what goes on in overseas theatres of war. My comments and opinions are based solely on what happened here in the US.

Your post above is the first I've seen that states the BW guys were all former LE guys. To be honest, that fact actually makes it even worse. These are guys who knew/know the law and people's rights and regardless of who and or how they were deputized, they still helped enforce an illegal operation/order. It's not ALL BW fault, but they were complicit.

Whatever value and support PSC provides to the arena of military operations, they have shown use and provided resource to politicians and domestic LE who would break the law in a crisis here.

Here in CA there's the real risk of a major earthquake. The local LE is not big enough to handle widespread social unrest or chaos if a major one hits. Will Xe provide resources again and help make the same illegal seizures?

How would you feel if PSC came to your door to disarm you and render you and your family defenseless at a time that literally qualifies for SHTF status? What is your advice on how people should regard those contractors coming to their front door? These are sincere questions, I'm not trying to bait you or be a dick.

 

[ranger1183]

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response place holder. busy right now.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

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I've trained down at Blackwater -- attended their LE/Mil Sniper course. I thought it was very well run and I learned a lot. The facilities are amazing and there was a commitment to excellence at every level from head-instructor to cafeteria staff...

I found the cadre, who included retired miliary and LE from around the world, to be intelligent, committed, understated, professional, quality people who cared deeply about doing their jobs. Noone was beating their chests or trying to out-ninja anyone. In fact, I thought the instructors stacked up against any college professor I ever had.

The attendees, who also represented many agencies and nations, were equally committed to mastering whatever training they were receiving. The fact that they were there (some of them paying their own way to improve their skills) speaks to their own commitment to excellence. There were no insane Columbian women sniper eskimo ninja spook mercenaries... My class consisted of LE and several active-duty Marines who were trying to prepare for Scout Sniper training by putting themselves through the course -- on their own time and out of their own pockets. There's commitment!

Unfortunately, all these companies (and their professional alumni) have ended up under the microscope and in the crosshairs of people who seem to think that the very name Blackwater (or insert other PMC name here) is the root of all evil. And these people will stop at nothing to excoriate them w.out any clue about what they are talking about.

I wear my Blackwater Alumni shirt proudly and would train there again in a heartbeat. I made some friends, learned a lot -- and I learned it from people I came to massively respect.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Don Briere]

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ZOMBI ALERT----ZOMBI ALERT


Brer Rabbit

 

[kingrabbit]

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oh brothers why feed the trolls..? leave em be.. they read the newspapers.. it must be true what is written there... yes it was all BW's fault after Katrina.. NO-PD wasnt pulled out of walmart looting.. nasty gaurd folks werent arrested looting a school in port sulphur.. NO-PD living on the cruise ship werent allowed to have their sidearms on the ship due to ND's...wasnt in the newspaper .. didnt happen..

just leave em be and thank em for voting for obama.. lol

 

[EventHorizon]

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deleted - I don't want my histrionics to cause this thread to be locked.

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcw1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That has nothing to do with them being PSCs, hell the NOPD did the same damn thing to a lot of folks... including an elderly lady who was then robbed at gunpoint a couple days after being forcibly disarmed by the NOPD.
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If you are referring to the video of LEO taking down granny that had a .38 snub nose for protection, that was none other than some of my local San Diego Police dept. It was in my opinion pretty shameful.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here in CA there's the real risk of a major earthquake. The local LE is not big enough to handle widespread social unrest or chaos if a major one hits. Will Xe provide resources again and help make the same illegal seizures? </div></div>

It doesn't take an earthquake to destroy Kalifornia just a well placed courtroom decision to release the animals on the world.
You can find flaws in any company, legislature, or city counsel (Bell Kalifornia ring a "Bell") does not mean the whole system is bad.

 

[kingrabbit]

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but hey im just a douche..

you speak of acting like an adult, but then you just throw a blanket comment out about a subject you have no personal experience on nor did it have anything to due with the thread..

so who's the douche..??

 

[EventHorizon]

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deleted - I don't want my histrionics to cause this thread to be locked.

 

[kingrabbit]

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no its not above me..

just choose not to care about you slandering folks as a whole, then when you get your pee-pee slapped a lil bit you reverse your stand like the no back bone having liberal you appear to be, then try to play the one being attacked while others are defending themselves. had more respect for you when you at least made the comment. yes you made a big fucking error, now close your mouth and roll on..

 

[EventHorizon]

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deleted - I don't want my histrionics to cause this thread to be locked.

 

[kingrabbit]

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kiss your ass..!?!?! oh my. ruffled the peacocks feathers a lil..

i bet you would like me to kiss your ass, but i dont roll that way. you might. that could be why you are content to just read the newspapers and getting your opinons from their lies instead of going to find out for yourself.. and seeing as my saying something usefull, in your eyes, is about as much going to happen as you trying to convince me that you are not a spineless lil troll. i refer back to me telling you to close your mouth and just roll on..

 

[EventHorizon]

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You're funny. How do you propose one goes back to hurricane Katrina to see what happened for themselves....

I'll wait for Ranger's response but I appreciate the waiting room entertainment you provided.

 

[The Mechanic]

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In before the lock.

 

[Swampkat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't be surprised Blackwater or Xe or whatever those douche's call themselves, aren't there already protecting him and his lot. </div></div>

Close but no cigar, think not U.S. but some place else.

 

[Kevlars]

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Stop feeding the trolls...

They are happy in their ignorance. Just walk away.

 

[ranger1183]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">deleted - I don't want my histrionics to cause this thread to be locked. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In before the lock.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apophas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stop feeding the trolls... They are happy in their ignorance. Just walk away. </div></div>
Why bother posting anything of value. I'm just wasting my breath.

 

[JSTARSZ]

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It’s tough to be logical in this argument as there are as the usual opinions that are of little value due to "hear-se"; however, Ranger, you do have the experience so I take what you say more in tuned to what happens. With that said, what bothers me as a weapons enthusiast is what would I do if something like this happened in my hometown and I brought out some of my "good-stuff" to protect my home and I had guys from the outside, not my local law enforcement, come in a confiscate my weapons that I used to protect my residence. It wouldn’t go over very well nor would it if it happened to you.

These events start a precedence and the next time it happens somewhere else the government will revert back to what it has done in the past and again hire outside people to handle or reinforce the situation like what happened in Louisiana. This type of situation is a scary slope to go down. A lot of Blackwater guys are ex-SF, Rangers, SAS, and so on that were trained for Warfare in a different environment. This is a difficult situation. Some of the weapons confiscated were from lawful weapon holders as well as gang members but it was not differentiated on who was to and not have weapons.

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">deleted - I don't want my histrionics to cause this thread to be locked. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In before the lock.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apophas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stop feeding the trolls... They are happy in their ignorance. Just walk away. </div></div>
Why bother posting anything of value. I'm just wasting my breath.

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I got wound up by kingrabbit and decided to delete the crap on my part between he and I.

I would very much like to hear your response if you're still willing to post it and despite the accusations of trolling, it's to better understand as opposed to simply argue.

Some of you guys seem to think that having a different opinion is to simply be trolling. Sometimes an argument/debate is needed for knowledge to transfer and people to become enlightened.

I came out swinging by calling those PSC in New Orleans as douches and thinking they're all the same. I'm open to the notion now that they're not. However, as the poster above has very well mentioned, a precedence is set and it's to the clear disadvantage of the common man.

 

[kingrabbit]

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so first you come out swinging with broad strokes calling BW contractors douches, (seeing as that was the only company making the newspapers)on a thread had had absolutly nothing to do with them.. thats a troll..

then you backtrack and delete posts now, when more folks attacked your claim rather than back you up.. thats weak..

and yes i got a rise out of you cause it was easy..

now for understanding.. alot of what you hear about contractors is from the newspapers doing what they do.. sell stories..

BW being a prime target due to a rich owner with strong religious views and strong political ties.. that sells stories.. not the fly by night shanty companies who got a license to operate, hired folks with little to no experience (from what i have seen in education or military) gave them fully automatic weapons and let em loose to escort trucks.. that is a mess just waiting to happen and it did.. unfortunatly the stories of these guys actions where always coming back as BW. i would be in country reading a story on some shoot out that BW was supposedly in and all the pics the news had would be EODT trucks rolling through, and we didnt have one team roll that day..

i do take great offense when lumped in with those ass clowns. the folks i work with have been vetted, have experience, and will be life long friends to me and my family. and try having to deal with an enemy that while firing a weapon at you is an enemy, should they drop that rifle and run they are no longer an enemy.then come home and hear from folks that have no clue on how PSS folks are,call them mercinaries and would work for folks such as Ghadaffi..