Ghost Guns- do they have your name? Gun part store raided- customer list seized too

[hermosabeach]

The prevalence of ghost guns in criminal activity and gun violence in this state (and across the nation)
is on the rise. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) office, as of
2019, about one third of all firearms seized by agents in the state were unserialized. And in 2020,ghost guns accounted for 41 percent of seizures made by the Los Angeles ATF office.

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/2020.08.19_Glockstore%20petition%20to%20enforce_as%20filed.pdf

 

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Oh no....criminals are using "untraceable" guns without serial numbers...as opposed to "traceable" guns with serial numbers.

So what?...is the gun more deadly without a SN?...does knowing the original purchaser was a guy named Cletus who bought it 26yrs ago and reported it stolen 10yrs ago help solve this crime?

Is a "ghost gun" any different than a regular gun with the SN ground off?....which criminals have been doing for decades already

Just another boogie man

 

[IrishWind]

10 years ago hardly anyone was doing the 80% receiver route. Now they are being advertised in magazines and online as a do it your self method of getting the Glock or AR clone you want. And you can get the jigs to complete your gun from the same place as the 80% reciever. So seeing a jump in 'ghost guns', which is also a new term the left likes to throw around, is about the same as the skyrocketing TDS when compared to 5 years ago...

But being able to trace a gun to a source is benificial to all. Some guns are stolen and are passed from one bad guy to another. And there are some FFLs that don't care who buys as long as the cash is green and someone can clear a NICS call. Even if everything screams strawman purchase. I work with two retired ATF agents, and they have a few stories on shady gun stores.

 

[LawnMM]

Not illegal here

 

[P-Squared]

Oh no....criminals are using "untraceable" guns without serial numbers...as opposed to STOLEN "traceable" guns with serial numbers.

So what?...is the gun more deadly without a SN?...does knowing the original purchaser was a guy named Cletus who bought it 26yrs ago and reported it stolen 10yrs ago help solve this crime?

Is a "ghost gun" any different than a regular gun with the SN ground off?....which criminals have been doing for decades already

Just another boogie man

FIFY

 

[lariat]

Every ATF officer I have worked with was 100% on the level, courteous and came across as individuals I would have a beer with. They do have stories about bad shops though. Why those businesses court disaster like that I don’t know.

 

[Hawkeyemm]

The prevalence of ghost guns in criminal activity and gun violence in this state (and across the nation)
is on the rise. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) office, as of
2019, about one third of all firearms seized by agents in the state were unserialized. And in 2020,ghost guns accounted for 41 percent of seizures made by the Los Angeles ATF office.

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/2020.08.19_Glockstore%20petition%20to%20enforce_as%20filed.pdf

I would be curious to find out if the atf considers “unserialized firearms” and “ghost guns” to be synonymous. Or if ghost guns are a sub-category of unserialized firearms. It would not be surprising to find that the DA played some word games there to exaggerate the prevalence of ghost guns.

 

[lariat]

Are pre-68 guns considered ghost guns?

Are Firearms without Serial Numbers Illegal? - Pennsylvania Law Abiding Gun Owner Blog

Are Firearms without Serial Numbers Illegal? If you’re a Law Abiding Gun Owner (LAGO) who primarily uses modern firearms, a firearm without a serial number would probably look strange to you. In fact, it should look strange to you, and in most cases someone selling you or giving to you a firearm...

www.pennlago.com

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

The ATF is unconstitutional and should be abolished. If these people who aren't allowed to own weapons are free on the streets, then why the fuck are they free on the streets where almost anything can be used as a weapon? I'd think vehicles are more dangerous than guns, actually I know they are based on empirical death statistics, but yet we let them drive and grant them the inherent ability to steal cars even as repeat offenders among the free population.

Bottom line, the ATF should not exist at all, even if they were not unilaterally and completely unconstitutional. If I were president I would bulldoze their offices and make each employee pay the American people back every red cent they ever collected through their ATF employment. Any and all terrible implement which is used by the soldier is the birthright of every free American.

 

[seanh]

Ghost guns are nothing new. Ever since the media figure it out what they were they've been trying to make a big deal of it... Couldn't do it then can't do it now

 

[oneshot86]

Not illegal here

nor here

 

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The ATF is unconstitutional and should be abolished. If these people who aren't allowed to own weapons are free on the streets, then why the fuck are they free on the streets where almost anything can be used as a weapon? I'd think vehicles are more dangerous than guns, actually I know they are based on empirical death statistics, but yet we let them drive and grant them the inherent ability to steal cars even as repeat offenders among the free population.

i remember back when those pussy-ass ISIS faggots were running people over in rented vans....that the talking heads on TV were seriously saying we should have background checks to rent cars.

anything to shirk responsibility off the shitbags who commit the crimes....and the judges who give them weak ass sentences, knowing full well a violent person is going to be back on the streets after a few monts and "good behavior"

 

[Carlos Danger]

Maybe if they'd stop shitting on our 2nd ammendment rights and threatening seizures and bans there wouldn't be a want for "ghost guns".

 

[myronman3]

^ i laugh my ass off everytime i see that screen name. just saying. the hmfic knocked it out of the park on that one.

 

[madppcs]

Gov hates competition...
They want to be the ONLY criminals around that illegally give weapons to cartels and various other nations to incite violence and unrest.

 

[Rthur]

They don't do shit for the registered ones used in Chicago.
Tell me again how big a factor "ghost guns" are by the numbers?...

R

 

[MadDuner]

They are simply looking for another corner to start chipping away at...

 

[Austan]

What is a ghost gun? Is it a gun manufactured by a citizen for personal use or a gun stolen and has the serial number ground off?

 

[Supersubes]

I arrested a guy a few weeks ago who was a serial burglar. Had a trunk full of guns. He had no idea how they got there, which is typical of those types of people. As if someone came by and literally filled his trunk up with guns. No gun cases, just piled in the trunk. Couple of the guns were 80%, which can’t even be searched to see if they're stolen. That sucks, but on the other hand, none of the guns with serial numbers had been reported stolen so I couldn’t nail him with that either, which also sucks. This guy was a felon many times over, so he’s going to get nailed for that. He lives in a notorious shithole, so these would definitely end up involved in crime.

 

[clcustom1911]

I arrested a guy a few weeks ago who was a serial burglar. Had a trunk full of guns. He had no idea how they got there, which is typical of those types of people. As if someone came by and literally filled his trunk up with guns. No gun cases, just piled in the trunk. Couple of the guns were 80%, which can’t even be searched to see if they're stolen. That sucks, but on the other hand, none of the guns with serial numbers had been reported stolen so I couldn’t nail him with that either, which also sucks. This guy was a felon many times over, so he’s going to get nailed for that. He lives in a notorious shithole, so these would definitely end up involved in crime.

Nice pinch.

 

[Supersubes]

Nice pinch.

It’s extra sweet when it was a citizen that called him in as a drunk driver.

 

[Maggot]

So if you buy an 80% lower and turn it into a functioning AR, are you required to do anything like register it?

Any regs on what you can do with it like cross a state line?

 

[Supersubes]

So if you buy an 80% lower and turn it into a functioning AR, are you required to do anything like register it?

Any regs on what you can do with it like cross a state line?

Depends on the state. In Cali you can still build them but you must number them, and I believe DOJ assigns the number. Fairly recent change.

 

[Maggot]

Depends on the state. In Cali you can still build them but you must number them, and I believe DOJ assigns the number. Fairly recent change.

Im in Virginia so Im guessing, unless Governor Northturd is on the ball I should be ok.

 

[acudaowner]

I ain't afraid of no ghost lol

and my 80's is still untainted like the fresh fallen snow of winter lol

 

[W54/XM-388]

I arrested a guy a few weeks ago who was a serial burglar. Had a trunk full of guns. He had no idea how they got there, which is typical of those types of people. As if someone came by and literally filled his trunk up with guns. No gun cases, just piled in the trunk. Couple of the guns were 80%, which can’t even be searched to see if they're stolen. That sucks, but on the other hand, none of the guns with serial numbers had been reported stolen so I couldn’t nail him with that either, which also sucks. This guy was a felon many times over, so he’s going to get nailed for that. He lives in a notorious shithole, so these would definitely end up involved in crime.

I'm assuming that since he was a felon in possession of guns, there is not really much else needed to lock him up, but that part I'm suspecting is out of your hands once it hits the DA / Judges / Lawyers.

 

[Supersubes]

I'm assuming that since he was a felon in possession of guns, there is not really much else needed to lock him up, but that part I'm suspecting is out of your hands once it hits the DA / Judges / Lawyers.

Yes, out of my hands. Waiting for the guns to get entered as stolen so they can add that. He’s never been busted in this county so I’m hoping the court here drops the hammer on him. He’s a one man crime spree. His rap sheet is ridiculous. I don’t know how a guy with that many felonies gets probation so often. On average he’s arrested quarterly, and that’s been going on for the last 14 years.

 

[Carlos Danger]

^ i laugh my ass off everytime i see that screen name. just saying. the hmfic knocked it out of the park on that one.

I like to think I wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[Aries256]

Atf needs to be disbanded and funds to it sent to protecting the 2nd A

 

[hunter1959]

Yes, out of my hands. Waiting for the guns to get entered as stolen so they can add that. He’s never been busted in this county so I’m hoping the court here drops the hammer on him. He’s a one man crime spree. His rap sheet is ridiculous. I don’t know how a guy with that many felonies gets probation so often. On average he’s arrested quarterly, and that’s been going on for the last 14 years.

what in the hell happened to the "3 strike" law? quarterly arrests over 14 years?

 

[davsco]

The prevalence of ghost guns in criminal activity and gun violence in this state (and across the nation)
is on the rise. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) office, as of
2019, about one third of all firearms seized by agents in the state were unserialized. And in 2020,ghost guns accounted for 41 percent of seizures made by the Los Angeles ATF office.

do they break out unserialized between those filed off vs 80% guns?

but what i really want to know is how many guns they found in the hands of repeat offenders and why they weren't kept in jail. people think banning guns will keep them out of the hands of criminals, but really, putting and keeping criminals in jail is the surefire way to reduce crime and violence.

 

[Supersubes]

what in the hell happened to the "3 strike" law? quarterly arrests over 14 years?

Right? Total garbage. No way this dude should be out and about.