Rifle Scopes glass and mount for first .22

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Ok so I think I have decided on my first gun, a savage mk2, probly in a .22lr. I need a scope and everything to mount it.

1. Would it be best just to get a new rail, instead of trying to get a gun with the two little rails?
2. What would be a good scope? I would like a variable zoom, but clarity is more important than seeing farther. My budget is about $100 and I would like to shoot from 30 yards to hopefully 150 or so.
2. I've heard people talk about taping a rail or something?? What does this mean?
 
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Re: glass and mount for first .22

read here

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1309407#Post1309407

one piece rail

assume .22 means occasional indoor 50ft ranges, so Make Sure your parallax setting goes down that low if needed

I'd suggest a MKII G (savage poly stocks are flexy) with accutrigger and ammo while learning irons for now. And I like mine.... $100 for base, decent rings and scope means maybe a $70 Centerpoint 4-16x mildot. Mine is on a 1022 and fine for indoor with occasional holdovers for outdoor. It's clarity and repeatable clicks are nowhere close to my Bushy 4200. Use irons while saving for either a Clearidge RM 3-9x mildot $245 or SuperSniper 10x $299 later.
 
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Yep, I plan on shooting everything from 20 to 130 yards (eventual) outdoors...I really don't want to skimp on good glass, what do you think about a vortex cross fire? Again I care more about clarity
 
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found this list somewhere, prob made a few additions along the way, own Loopy VXIII and 4200 higher end, range mooched better, still have an old Philipine Simmons 44 mag and suffered worse........


10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory

9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender

8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C., Zeiss Classic

7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII

4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam

3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex Diamondback

2 - Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift, Vortex Crossfire

1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco

0 - ATN, Leapers, NcStar



The $100 Crossfire 6-24x has a small 16ft fov at 100 that would drive me nuts, when the 10x SS is way better built and gives 13ft at 100.
 
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thanks for all the great information! I have looked around swfa, and they have quite the selection! I have seen a few, that should hopefuly fit the bill. What do you think?

Barska 3-12x40
http://swfa.com/Barska-3-12x40-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P6183.aspx

Tasko 6-24x42
http://swfa.com/Tasco-6-24x42-Target-Varmint-Riflescope-P4505.aspx

Mueller 8.5-25x44
http://swfa.com/Mueller-85-25x44-Tactical-Riflescope-P9140.aspx

Bushnell 6-24x40
http://swfa.com/Bushnell-6-24x40-Banner-Dusk-Dawn-Rifle-Scope-P4742.aspx

If you have any of these please help, as the reviews dont give much information.
thanks
 
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A great option that wont break the bank at all is the Bushnell Trophy 2-12x40mm Multi-X reticle. This scope has an AO down to 10 yards so it's perfect for closer target shooting and can take you out to 150 yards +. This scope has all the features you'll need for a target 22 scope and is a great deal for the price:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-tro...cle-734120.html

Trevor B.
 
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ATP, out of the scopes that you listed, the only one that I would consider is the Mueller. Barska puts out crap, consistently, and I wouldn't bother even trying them. The same goes for Tasco as well. Bushnell has some good scope lines, but the Banner isn't it, for anything quality you should be looking at the 3200 and 4200 series. For the money, I think the Vortex Crossfire for $99 is probably the best deal going at the moment, especially considering their warranty.
 
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thanks guys...optics planet is that scope mil dot? i would really like mil dots. Im sorry I didnt put that in the description. Is the nikon prostaff better than the vortex? I know there not really in the same price range, but still.
Merlin what is the warranty of the crossfire?

thanks everybody
 
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No its not. I am actually selling a Bushnell Trophy XLT 6-18x50mm NIB for $150 which would be perfect for your 22lr. I had one of the original Trophy 6-18x50mm which I liked a lot until it broke when I put it on a 7mm-08. But Bushnell sent me a brand new scope and even upgraded me to the XLT model which comes with Butler Check flip caps. Its brand new should include the warranty card and everything. I would put it back on my own 22lr but people here have convinced me I need better.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Merlin what is the warranty of the crossfire?</div></div>

Unlimited lifetime warranty that is transferable. Basically, if you can break it, they'll fix it or replace it. Even if you sell it, and the guy who buys it breaks it, the same warranty applies to him as well.
 
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that warranty is pretty good sounding...what have you guys heard about the cross fire? it would be nice not to have to spend 150 on a scope, even though I dont want to skimp on one.

Regarding the warranty, will they replace it if the glass wont hold a zero?

EDIT: I am not sure about the crossfire...It doesnt seem reliable enough. What scope would you guys suggest for around 130 or so dollars? thank you
 
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I have read alot on the crossfire...I understand its a budget scope, but if I put 50 more dollars into one, like the Mueller 8.5-25? Also what kind of warranty is on the mueller? it says limited lifetime. what does this mean?

thanks everybody
 
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Lifetime warranty means that if anything ever happens to your scope they will fix or replace it as long as it didn’t brake because you smashed the objective with a sledge hammer or something. Not all life time warranties are equal get a scope with a transferable lifetime warranty and you can sell it for close to what you paid most of the time.
 
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hmm so the limited lifetime is just for the first user?
I dont plan on really selling it...if worst comes to worst ill put it on something else.
It seems that the crossfire isnt reliable enough for me. What would you suggest for the sub $150 category?
 
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the guys over at rimfire central swear by this mueller scope.
I dont know any thing about the warranty but I have only heard of one or two needing repair and they took care of it no problems. Just another option at a budget.


http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Mueller_APV_Black_p/mapv451440.htm


You can throw that in your choice of rings but the favorite over at RFC is the burris signature zee rings.

As far as a mount goes, DIP INC. I have one of their rails on my CZ and its a super product and they are great guys to deal with.

I dont know any thing about savages but i think this rail should fit the bill.

http://www.diproductsinc.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=164825&CAT=3602

If not they have other selections and even a 25 MOA version.
 
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HA my bad I read that and totally just ignored it .... sorry. the Mueller APT(the first one you listed in the previous post) just happens to be their second favorite scope over there. And satisfies the mildot requirement. I'd go with that one.

The guys over at RFC dont usually shoot out to 200 with their .22s like some do here but they all say that the Muellers are the best glass for under 200 you can buy.

I personally use a
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BSA
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on my .17HMR while im saving up for a Mueller 8-32x44 target dot.

That being said the BSA I have is a high end BSA (oxymoron I know) but its not a bad scope at all for rimfire. I got it for 150 from midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=962234

It is a mil dot and if you wait for a sale its only 150. It is with out a doubt the BEST BSA out there .... meaning its probably on the same level as the Mueller APT. While I know alot of people bash BSA the one I showed you was the ONLY one I would ever recommend to any one and ONLY if you get it at the 150 sale price otherwise I say mueller APT all the way.

If you have more savage related questions Id go ask on http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php and scroll down to the savage section. Collectively if they cant answer your question ... no one can.


Heres my set up with the BSA and the DIP rail on my CZ 452 varmint .17HMR currently awaiting its Manners T4 stock from the group buy.

100_2263.jpg

 
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thank you for all your help!!! thats a fine rifle too...i always wanted a cz, but ill be fine with a savage

how often is the sale on at midway? it must drop down alot! have you tried the mueller? which one is more clear? if not, how much zoom before it gets fuzy? thank you for all your help.
 
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The BSA seems to go on sale every other month or so or once every three months. Its clear all the way to 24 as long as its sunny out but if its overcast or the sun is starting to go down it starts to get fuzzy after about 18 or so. But this scope more than meets my needs for now. I have no first hand experience with the Mueller but as I said its one of the top three scopes the ruger and CZ guys use over at rimfire central so it must be pretty good bang for the buck. I'm not sure what the savage guys use over there because I'm rarely on that section of the fourm.

I would not hesitate to spend the money on the APT except I'm not a huge fan of adjustable objective i prefer the side focus of the BSA or the more expensive Mueller target dot I'm saving up for. (but thats just me) If your looking to get the scope soon I'd say do the APT. If you wanna save a buck and dont mind waiting the BSA should do you solid. It has gotten rave reviews on midway.


The thing of it is with the sub 200 dollar scopes you either get awesome features(side focus) and good zoom(6-24) of the BSA at the cost of SOME clarity, or you get better glass but sacrifice the bells and whistles (AO)and some of the zoom(4.5-14)

If you have used a lot of high end scopes, leupold and the sort you will be totally turned off by the BSA but the Mueller may not be much better if youve been spoiled with scopes. But your not going to find much better with the features you want in your price range.


If you wanted to spend a few bucks more you could get a SWFA SS which have very good glass for the price and come in all shapes and sizes the most common is the 10x fixed which is a good all around magnification. prices start at 300 for the standard 400 for the side focus and around 800 I believe for the HD version.


Worst case scenario if you get the Mueller APT and dont like it you would probably be able to sell it in a week or less on RFC.


Sorry about writing such a novel but I have spend ALOT of time researching low end scopes trying to find the perfect compromise of clarity zoom and features for under 250 for my rimfires. And I have bought my fair share of cheap scopes for my air rifles.
 
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I had a Center Point 4-16x40 from Walmart for a while and used it on a .22. I was relatively happy with it for the price. It was like $70. The one I had had sub par glass that wasn't great in low light, or super clear at high powers, but it was decent and very useable. Much better than the BSA a friend had. I wouldn't want it on a hunting rifle where I might be making shots at the last few minutes of legal shooting time, but for a .22 it doesn't matter too much. To my surprised the thing actually tracked just about perfectly and returned to zero every time. I also really liked the locking turrets. Overall, I was pretty impressed for $70. I never had it lose zero or anything either. It also has an adjustable objective that makes it great for focusing at short ranges. For a .22, I thought it was just about perfect and if I was to need a scope for a .22 again, I'd buy another one.

If you wanted something smaller, I've had good luck with Simmons 3-9's that I've used on the cheap, and wouldn't hesitate to use them on .22's either. The downside is they often don't have adjustable objectives which are nice on .22's.
 
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APV and APT user here; while I'm not crazy about AO (would rather have side focus), for the price and features I can live with it. I've been impressed with both of them, and to echo Suresperance, if you don't like it, it will sell quickly.
 
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Having owned and used the VX-II and the Weaver Grandslam, I am suprised the Nikon BuckMaster is regarded as equal or leser(to the Weaver). I am using the Buckmaster 4.5-14X40 Milldot reticle on my.223 A-Bolt and have found it to be excellent glass with good edge to edge clarity and positive adjustments. In the $325.00 price point its is tough too beat,IMO.

Regarding a .22 rimfire scope I tend to agree that the Vortex or entry level Leupold would be good choices, I would apply the same to the Burris Fullfiled II. These are going to a bit over yout $100.00 range. It seems anythuing under $150.00 (redfield) is made in China. Some really good optics come out of Japan and most are well aware.

Good luck with the Vortex, thier Bino's are popular in the archery community.
m y N
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RS39</div><div class="ubbcode-body">found this list somewhere, prob made a few additions along the way, own Loopy VXIII and 4200 higher end, range mooched better, still have an old Philipine Simmons 44 mag and suffered worse........


10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory

9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender

8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C., Zeiss Classic

7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII

4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam

3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex Diamondback

2 - Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift, Vortex Crossfire

1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco

0 - ATN, Leapers, NcStar



The $100 Crossfire 6-24x has a small 16ft fov at 100 that would drive me nuts, when the 10x SS is way better built and gives 13ft at 100. </div></div>
 
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Thank you sorry I've been on vacation....so I'm still thinking about the mueller, but will do my research on the other ones...what do you guys think for rings and mounts? Or can I just mount the rings onto the little grooves on the side of the top? Thanks everybody
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you sorry I've been on vacation....so I'm still thinking about the mueller, but will do my research on the other ones...what do you guys think for rings and mounts? Or can I just mount the rings onto the little grooves on the side of the top? Thanks everybody </div></div>

I've got a mueller 5-25x44 that seems to do quite fine for a .22. I haven't had any issues after around 2000 rounds.

It's not as clear as some scopes when trying to see (Wasn't shooting, just trying to see some longer range stuff) longer ranges but I haven't shot it past 100 yards and it performs well at that range.
 
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A while ago, I bought a Barska 3-9x that I bought for 40 bucks on my .22LR. Originally bought while I save up for a nicer scope, this scope wasn't even worth me putting it on. POI changes on a daily basis, depending on how I handle the rifle and whether it's in a seatbelt or in the trunk. I took it out yesterday and it shot 3 inches southwest of the bullseye consistently. I am thinking of putting my Weaver Grand Slam on it now and calling it a day.

Don't buy a Barska or any of the lower tier scopes. Buy once cry once!
 
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