Anyone have a good photo of the Vietnam era camo jobs painted on their M21s--want to use as the basis for a stock painting project.
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Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
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Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
Camo.....Camo....dont need no stinkin' como
on a M21
Sniper School Oct' 1978
Seriouly check out some of Peter Senich's books on Sniping in Vietnam. There are a couple pictures of painted M-21s but few were. I'd scan them if I could figure out how to get my scanner to work. If someone else dosnt provide the info I'll get one of my grandkids to show me how to work the scanner.
Camo.....Camo....dont need no stinkin' como
on a M21
Sniper School Oct' 1978
Seriouly check out some of Peter Senich's books on Sniping in Vietnam. There are a couple pictures of painted M-21s but few were. I'd scan them if I could figure out how to get my scanner to work. If someone else dosnt provide the info I'll get one of my grandkids to show me how to work the scanner.
Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
Kraig,
Your picture was the only decent color version of an M21 I could find on the web. Senich's books have been invaluable to me, but I've never seen one in color.
Just curious--what scope were you shooting in that photo?
Steve
Kraig,
Your picture was the only decent color version of an M21 I could find on the web. Senich's books have been invaluable to me, but I've never seen one in color.
Just curious--what scope were you shooting in that photo?
Steve
Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
In Checking my library I found few photos of camo versons of M-21, and there was no set pattern.
I did find this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Although many of the M14 sniper rifles made use of camouflage, except for the AMTU rifles, fielded in 1968, this was usually done on an in-country basis after the weapons reached Vietnam. For the record, however, the majority of M14 sniper rifles fieled in Southeast Asia did not use camouflaged stock. (U.S. Army) </div></div>
From THE LONG-RANGE WAR, Sniping in Vietnam: Peter R. Senich, 1994
In Checking my library I found few photos of camo versons of M-21, and there was no set pattern.
I did find this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Although many of the M14 sniper rifles made use of camouflage, except for the AMTU rifles, fielded in 1968, this was usually done on an in-country basis after the weapons reached Vietnam. For the record, however, the majority of M14 sniper rifles fieled in Southeast Asia did not use camouflaged stock. (U.S. Army) </div></div>
From THE LONG-RANGE WAR, Sniping in Vietnam: Peter R. Senich, 1994
Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious--what scope were you shooting in that photo?</div></div>
That was the orginal ART Leatherwood scope. I found it very reliable once one learned to properly use the stadium lines. Much like the mil dot, it takes some practice to be sucessful in the range estimation department.
The lateral stadium marks worked great for hold over, also pretty good in moving target work.
A little know fact about the M21 (or Match Version of the M-14) is the sucess of the flash hider, or I dont know if it was the flash hider or the ammo barrel combo, but it worked. I would have lost a years pay if I would have bet, but when we did night firing, I found with the M-21 using the Starlight Scope, original M-118 Ammo, THERE WAS NO MUZZLE FLASH. I mean ZERO. If you were real close to the action when its fired you could see a spark or two coming from the action, but you step back you couldnt see any muzzle flash.
I found that funny, last night I watched a sniper show on the History channel about a Marine engaging targets at night with the M-14 w/starlight scope. The simulation had all kinds of Muzzle Flash. Maybe they were using ball ammo, I havent tried that at night, but with the M-118 (when they were using 4895, there was NONE.
A little off topic, but its still about the M-21.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious--what scope were you shooting in that photo?</div></div>
That was the orginal ART Leatherwood scope. I found it very reliable once one learned to properly use the stadium lines. Much like the mil dot, it takes some practice to be sucessful in the range estimation department.
The lateral stadium marks worked great for hold over, also pretty good in moving target work.
A little know fact about the M21 (or Match Version of the M-14) is the sucess of the flash hider, or I dont know if it was the flash hider or the ammo barrel combo, but it worked. I would have lost a years pay if I would have bet, but when we did night firing, I found with the M-21 using the Starlight Scope, original M-118 Ammo, THERE WAS NO MUZZLE FLASH. I mean ZERO. If you were real close to the action when its fired you could see a spark or two coming from the action, but you step back you couldnt see any muzzle flash.
I found that funny, last night I watched a sniper show on the History channel about a Marine engaging targets at night with the M-14 w/starlight scope. The simulation had all kinds of Muzzle Flash. Maybe they were using ball ammo, I havent tried that at night, but with the M-118 (when they were using 4895, there was NONE.
A little off topic, but its still about the M-21.
Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
Look here first.. http://www.whamocamo1.com/id55.html
one interesting image... http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/m14camo.jpg
and you might try looking on McMillians site.. http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-tactical-stock-list.php#m1a
Look here first.. http://www.whamocamo1.com/id55.html
one interesting image... http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/m14camo.jpg
and you might try looking on McMillians site.. http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-tactical-stock-list.php#m1a
Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found that funny, last night I watched a sniper show on the History channel about a Marine engaging targets at night with the M-14 w/starlight scope. The simulation had all kinds of Muzzle Flash. Maybe they were using ball ammo, I havent tried that at night, but with the M-118 (when they were using 4895, there was NONE.
A little off topic, but its still about the M-21.
</div></div>
Yea, takes a lot of powder to make those blanks function!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found that funny, last night I watched a sniper show on the History channel about a Marine engaging targets at night with the M-14 w/starlight scope. The simulation had all kinds of Muzzle Flash. Maybe they were using ball ammo, I havent tried that at night, but with the M-118 (when they were using 4895, there was NONE.
A little off topic, but its still about the M-21.
</div></div>
Yea, takes a lot of powder to make those blanks function!
Re: Good Photo of the Old M21 Camo Jobs?
Contact Hook Boulton in Bremen, GA. He was on the design team for the XM-21 program. He also was one of the first instructors sent to Viet Nam by the AMTU for the new sniper rifle. I've seen some of his personal photos of the classes he taught and the few camo'd rifles I saw were mostly green on green. Lime green and OD would be about the color. Each one was different but the Russian Ameba from WWII pattern looks like a good choice for a pattern. I remember Hook saying they had to brush paint the rifles with what they could find. Donald
Contact Hook Boulton in Bremen, GA. He was on the design team for the XM-21 program. He also was one of the first instructors sent to Viet Nam by the AMTU for the new sniper rifle. I've seen some of his personal photos of the classes he taught and the few camo'd rifles I saw were mostly green on green. Lime green and OD would be about the color. Each one was different but the Russian Ameba from WWII pattern looks like a good choice for a pattern. I remember Hook saying they had to brush paint the rifles with what they could find. Donald
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