I finally got the saturday group out to the range again today (to many drill meets lately). I started them out on paper and was worried because they were grouping lousy but decided to put them on the gongs anyway. They were all able to ring the bells out past 150 (5" x7") out to 150 yds with 22LR. I know it's not up to sniper standards but not bad for 15 yr old JRROTC cadets.