Looks like Gray Ops is going to offer AW mags for 308 Win.
Information will be added to their website on 2/5/2025 @ 10AM EST.
Information will be added to their website on 2/5/2025 @ 10AM EST.
Gray Ops Launching Full Size AW Mags - 2/5/2025 @ 10 AM
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Consistency. You can get close with stamping and bending, but by going to billet you shouldn't be bending feed lips anymore.
They are really expensive, but if you wanted to build your own 12 round AI AW, you're looking at buying 2 mags, chopping them, and TIG welding those together unless you get creative with an extension.
How much consistency do you need? It's a magazine every dimension doesn't need to be +-.001.
Honestly I didn't realize folks were bending feed lips on AW mags. Ive never had an issue feeding with out of the box mags. 6.5cm, 308 and 6gt all have fed flawlessly with unmodified mags.
I can fit 11 rounds in my AI aw mags... so that's a $100 premium for 1 extra round. Thanks but I'll single load that last one.
Lot of prs stages are 12rd. Makes sense time wise to have a 12-13rd mag. Stock AI can hold 11rds but it’s tight and you definitely notice drag when you feed the first one.
Looks like a great product option to have. If it’s too expensive or you don’t need it, don’t buy it.
Looks like a great product option to have. If it’s too expensive or you don’t need it, don’t buy it.
Plenty of guys bending feed lips to get shit running well. Look at all the problems ARC had with their mags. Some worked, others didn't.
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If I had to guess, the material change is a huge part. In steel, machine time goes up and tool life goes down. You're also adding laser weld instead of regular assembly with screws.
I'd imagine they're for anybody who'd be interested in an AW mag that holds 12 rounds including guys running AI rifles, but yeah Gray Ops heavily targets the PRS/NRL shooters and most of those guys are running some form of R700 pattern AW cut 2 lug action.
To make a 12rd AW mag is a lot easier than that. Cut out the center of the floorplate with a cutoff wheel, clean up the cut, then follow the instructions to install an AICS extension (I used an Area419 one). Took me about 10min and no issues through almost of year of matches.
Not as elegant a solution as these Grey Ops mags though for sure.
Can absolutely do that, but you'll likely add more length to the bottom than TIG welding another one, and I've seen the short tabs bend over time
Why not go this way from the begging? Why sell a 6gt mag and deliberately leave the OAL short?
Seems like a way to sell another product because I bought the 6gt AW mag when they first came out and it wont fit my 110's with a 120 freebore. was pretty frustrated to see these come out and compare them to the 6gt version.
Seems like a way to sell another product because I bought the 6gt AW mag when they first came out and it wont fit my 110's with a 120 freebore. was pretty frustrated to see these come out and compare them to the 6gt version.
That's a good point. Mine are definitely a bit longer than necessary and the tabs have bent a bit. Easy enough to bend them back when I check over my gear every now and then.
Welding 2 together is a cleaner solution and getting the Grey Ops mags is an even nicer solution. If I had the welding equipment I'd definitely go that route.
these run awesome in my rifle. The worked I. Hawkins bottom metal but there was a bit of play. I swapped to a Hawkins long latch and it was a tight fit with no play. Both ways ran good but I feel better with the long latch.
The big advantage is the short mag and it has less of a chance of hitting a prop. I switched to all aw mags and haven’t looked back.
The big advantage is the short mag and it has less of a chance of hitting a prop. I switched to all aw mags and haven’t looked back.
I have two of these. They won’t drop free, and/or fit in actual accuracy international guns (Atleast mine) or a friends AI AT-X.
I had to HEAVILY sand and modify two mags to even get them to lock in my AT-LE, but regular AW mags seat perfect and drop free without issue.
Sort of pissed I had to take two 195 dollar magazines that are supposed to fit like normal AW mags, and sand the shit out of them to even make them fit.
They do drop free in my impact actions with Hawkins and MDT bottom metals fine. Guess I’ll be running regular AWs for rifles only, because these aren’t gonna work. They also don’t feed my 6.5 cm that well. I’ve had a few bolt over issues in my AW where it wouldn’t pick the round up. Regular AWs work perfect. These don’t.
I had to HEAVILY sand and modify two mags to even get them to lock in my AT-LE, but regular AW mags seat perfect and drop free without issue.
Sort of pissed I had to take two 195 dollar magazines that are supposed to fit like normal AW mags, and sand the shit out of them to even make them fit.
They do drop free in my impact actions with Hawkins and MDT bottom metals fine. Guess I’ll be running regular AWs for rifles only, because these aren’t gonna work. They also don’t feed my 6.5 cm that well. I’ve had a few bolt over issues in my AW where it wouldn’t pick the round up. Regular AWs work perfect. These don’t.
It’s as good or better. Because those will actually fit my current mags.
Doesn’t work in two separate AI rifles. Zero drop free in my AT-LE and to even get them to seat I had to dremel the fuck out of them, and my friends AT-X they won’t drop free or even fit.
4 AW mags here and same deal. Never had an issue loading 11 or felt any different running the action on that first or any other round.
I don’t have an AW-fed .308 rifle, but when I compared loading 308 vs 6.5 in the Gray Ops mag, the cartridge stack didn’t behave much differently so I’m not sure who these mags are for because they feed like dog shit.
Yea I’m sorta mad I dropped 400 dollars on two mags I had to dremel the fuck out of to make them work.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, well I’m just a dumbass I guess.
I don't anticipate buying these, but I'm grateful for the reviews.
My 6GT GrayOps mags are great, however. They feed like butter on my Impact Actions (Foundation and Vision chassis).
My 6GT GrayOps mags are great, however. They feed like butter on my Impact Actions (Foundation and Vision chassis).
I assume these AW mags designed primarily to work with non-AI rifles.
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Not what they said in the email I sent them.
The 6BRA ones I have are flawless in my AI AT-LE, and my impact with manners minichassis.
Sounds like it would have been simpler just to send them back if they didn’t work for you.
They worked in my other actions. Just wanted them to work in one of the guns I use the most. It was basically just taking some of the finish off in most places.
Also what’s the fun in that?
I do not really see the difference below.
I purchased an Impact 737R back in February of 2023, but it was not direct from Impact. It was purchased from Altus, so who knows when they purchased it and whether it is AW cut, or not.
So I am looking at the picture below and trying to figure out the differences.
They look like mirror images
The arrows are even pointing to opposite sides.
I purchased an Impact 737R back in February of 2023, but it was not direct from Impact. It was purchased from Altus, so who knows when they purchased it and whether it is AW cut, or not.
So I am looking at the picture below and trying to figure out the differences.
They look like mirror images
The arrows are even pointing to opposite sides.
AW has a milled step at the front that’s the easiest way to tell. Compare the bit on the left ahead of the actual opening in the action.
The milled step plus the inlet for the mag is slightly different. I sent my NonAW cut ones back to Tate and he cut them for me.
I have an email out to them for tips or tricks. The issue is, especially in cottage industries like this one, returning anything you’ve used is either impossible or not worth it. I expect to be able to return both my tested (read: can’t be sold as new) and untested one magazines if there’s an unsat answer because this is a design issue.
Hey I had this sort of issue in my Vision Pro too. I had to adjust the latch to seat higher and relieve some pressure from the front of the adjustable part of the magwell.
adjust back latch to lock in tight, back out pressure from front of magwell
If that’s an ARC,
the mag needs to be as flush as possible up against the part I circled.
The latch is adjusted to seat the mag as high as possible while still locking in, the front of the magwell is as wide as open as it comes from the factory so there shouldn’t be any pressure on the front of the mag. The feed lip not engaging the whole case is causing the case presentation issue.
They worked in my other actions. Just wanted them to work in one of the guns I use the most. It was basically just taking some of the finish off in most places.
Also what’s the fun in that?
Im so confused - it went from "dremel the fuck out of them" to "taking some of the finish off".
IDK, Gray Ops seems like a pretty standup group of lads - its annoying AF if they dont work, but Id like to think theyd take em back.
My issue is it still occurs with .308 too, I just can’t substantiate a feeding issue because my only .308 is a Surgeon.
I dremel’d and sanded the front and rear pretty heavy to get it to fit in my AT, I sent them the pictures. The latch height is also different than standard AW mags atleast in the two that I have. I’m not indicating that gray ops isn’t “stand up”. I’m indicating ymmv, these might require fitting, but for 200 bucks apiece shouldn’t require me whipping out a Milwaukee sander and dremel to make sure they fit in a literal gun they were designed for (AT-LE and an AT-X).
I’m also not one to sand the shit out of something of my own accord then make the manufacturer eat the cost of my modifications, especially smaller outfits. I’m just going to get them blasted and recoated since they work how I want them to now.
I couldn't get the 6GT mags to work reliably in my Impact 737R in an ACC Elite. Regular AW's work better but not well enough to trust. The bullet tip always catches on the breech face, plus plenty of times I have to back off on the bolt to get the round to pop in place. No thanks, I'll pass.
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