Suppressors Griffin armament plan A - nomad promotion

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I’ve been ignorant to this forum for a minute so if this has already been talked about I apologize, but does anyone have experience with the plan A and have experience with their taper mounting system? Seriously considering these for my nomad that’s in jail to keep it light and short. I initially prefer this over Q’s plab B because of the selection of muzzle devices available from griffin vs one available from Q. Thoughts or opinions?
 
Between the price, length and weight I would rather go another direction. I wanna keep my nomad short and light. I’m fine with not using keymo. Others seem to make it work.

Your crazy for a few extra oz it's the best qd mount period I have ever laid hands on inc plan a and plan b but to each his own
 
Well what was your experience with the plan A? I’m not sold on the plan B. I’ve never had the good fortune of handling either so I’m going in this blind.

Threads before tapers are retarded and so 2001 and are begging to be carbon locked ?. Plan a's threads sit in front of the taper surface and will need to be cleaned to prevent a nasty carbon lock one day.

Threading a qd can on period is silly honestly if you want to thread on a can, you might as well direct thread it since your saving 2 or 3 turns then you can be even lighter and shorter.
 
Threads before tapers are retarded and so 2001 and are begging to be carbon locked ?. Plan a's threads sit in front of the taper surface and will need to be cleaned to prevent a nasty carbon lock one day.

Threading a qd can on period is silly honestly if you want to thread on a can, you might as well direct thread it since your saving 2 or 3 turns then you can be even lighter and shorter.
Oh yeah I didn’t notice the taper was behind it...well that’s a buzzkill. You’re right, That’ll definitely be a problem. And plan B has it after but I hate they only offer one muzzle device. I guess keymo is the best all around.
 
I’ve been ignorant to this forum for a minute so if this has already been talked about I apologize, but does anyone have experience with the plan A and have experience with their taper mounting system? Seriously considering these for my nomad that’s in jail to keep it light and short. I initially prefer this over Q’s plab B because of the selection of muzzle devices available from griffin vs one available from Q. Thoughts or opinions?


Our opinion?? We're going to give you the Plan A for free... if you go with that interface and pick up our Ti Minimalist brake, its the lightest interface for the Nomad available except for direct thread. We're launching an extended Plan A (they're at coating right now, we offer all our parts with a really nice black nitride finish, which is a better value compared to the options that come only heat treated...)
The Extended Plan A will allow the use of any Griffin Muzzle device vs the current option only having compatibility with our minimalist taper mounts due to DA's blast baffle being so dang close to the end of the can. With Griffin, you have options.

GRIFFIN ARMAMENT PLAN A - Nomad Promo
 
Threads before tapers are retarded and so 2001 and are begging to be carbon locked ?. Plan a's threads sit in front of the taper surface and will need to be cleaned to prevent a nasty carbon lock one day.

Threading a qd can on period is silly honestly if you want to thread on a can, you might as well direct thread it since your saving 2 or 3 turns then you can be even lighter and shorter.

You don't know what you're talking about... Have listen to our Taper Mount episode of the Dwell Time podcast, you'll get to hear an actual subject matter expert who developed the system and has been manufacturing it for over a decade go over the concept and application of the system versus just parroting what someone on instagram screams into their camera.

Griffin Armament's Dwell Time Podcast Ep. 20
 
You don't know what you're talking about... Have listen to our Taper Mount episode of the Dwell Time podcast, you'll get to hear an actual subject matter expert who developed the system and has been manufacturing it for over a decade go over the concept and application of the system versus just parroting what someone on instagram screams into their camera.

Griffin Armament's Dwell Time Podcast Ep. 20

Yawn...sme...okay...
 
Yawn...sme...okay...

I'm sorry, what else would you call someone who has designed, tested, manufactured, and brought more than 20 different silencers to market over the last ~15 years?

@Huskydriver , wouldn't you consider someone who has built a company that's sold tens of thousands of silencers on the commercial market in almost every category (except integrals and shotgun silencers), someone who pioneered the modular pistol silencer (Revolution 9), universal silencer (Optimus 9), and tubeless silencer tech (Gen 1 RECCE series) among others to be a subject matter expert on the topic of firearm suppressors?
 
I'm sorry, what else would you call someone who has designed, tested, manufactured, and brought more than 20 different silencers to market over the last ~15 years?

@Huskydriver , wouldn't you consider someone who has built a company that's sold tens of thousands of silencers on the commercial market in almost every category (except integrals and shotgun silencers), someone who pioneered the modular pistol silencer (Revolution 9), universal silencer (Optimus 9), and tubeless silencer tech (Gen 1 RECCE series) among others to be a subject matter expert on the topic of firearm suppressors?

Q is that you KB?

You guys are getting harder to tell apart

Don't threaten me with a lawsuit for not agreeing with you please...

As a consumer who has used your products and dozens of others in the industry and have had the opportunity to compare most of the qd systems currently on the market within my shooting group, am I not able to have my own opinion and give my own advice?

You can disagree all you want but my hands on experience doesn't change anything for me or my OPINION.
 
You don't know what you're talking about... Have listen to our Taper Mount episode of the Dwell Time podcast, you'll get to hear an actual subject matter expert who developed the system and has been manufacturing it for over a decade go over the concept and application of the system versus just parroting what someone on instagram screams into their camera.

Griffin Armament's Dwell Time Podcast Ep. 20
Will threads before the taper be a problem? If not help me understand why cause I’ve never handled one of your mounting systems but it seems like it’ll get stuck if that’s the case
 
Will threads before the taper be a problem? If not help me understand why cause I’ve never handled one of your mounting systems but it seems like it’ll get stuck if that’s the case

Its not an issue. properly installed and maintained Taper Mounts to not get stuck, even after destructive firing schedules on belt fed machine guns (view our video on the Paladin silencer running on our 240L). I'll also encourage you to listen to the podcast, it gives a full rundown of why that's not a real criticism of the interface.
 
Its not an issue. properly installed and maintained Taper Mounts to not get stuck, even after destructive firing schedules on belt fed machine guns (view our video on the Paladin silencer running on our 240L). I'll also encourage you to listen to the podcast, it gives a full rundown of why that's not a real criticism of the interface.
I’ll give it a listen. Would the minimalist flash hider work with the plan A too?
 
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I’ll give it a listen. Would the minimalist flash hider work with the plan A too?

The only taper mount devices that work with the PLan A on the Nomad are the TM Minimalist Muzzle Brake mounts. This is because DA's can places the blast baffle very close to the rear and our adapter is so short that it only fits our smallest mounts. We're doing an extended PLan A that will have clearance for more Griffin Taper Mount options.
 
I have zero affiliation with Griffin Armament, but I do own several of their products. I also own products from Thunder Beast, SilencerCo, Dead Air, Rugged and a couple of others that are lesser known. I prefer the taper mount adapters as a way of fixing a can to the end of a barrel to any other that I have used or examined. I prefer it enough that I have switched everything that I could over to use Plan "A" mounts, so that I don't have to worry about what mounting system is on each of my barrels/rifles. I use the Griffin taper mount on almost all of my barrels.

I think that the KeyMo is a pretty nifty mounting system and I like the company. I also think it's expensive and heavy for a lot of applications, especially when compared to other options. The second sentence there is not my opinion, those are objective facts. The Area 419 system is another system that is pretty good and I don't have any issues with. My point being that there are several choices are out there that could work for your application. What matters is your priorities.

As far as the taper mount design being an issue, in short, it isn't. The first reason that it isn't an issue is because of the taper design (not unique to silencer mount applications) being a semi-locking taper in the neighborhood of 15˚ will tighten up and then require a roughly calculated force 50% greater than that used to mate the two surfaces. In other words, it isn't going to come loose on it's own. I have never in thousands of rounds, had a taper mount come loose on it's own. I have always had to purposefully loosen and remove the device. It also serves to do an amazing job aligning the silencer with the mount which is hopefully coaxially mounted to the bore of the rifle. I have found the POI shift to be almost nothing when removing and reattaching cans using the taper mount system.

The other issue that people seem to get wrapped around the axle over is the threads being ahead of the taper, with the concern being that the threads will become carbon encrusted and not want to release the device. I cannot say definitively that after thousands of rounds without removing the can that it couldn't become carbon locked. I will say that after approximately a thousand rounds of 5.56 over the course of slightly more than a year, that it hasn't. I unfortunately didn't take a picture of the brake after removing the can from that rifle, but it still looked good and the threads were pretty close to the one I will put below. The reason that the threads don't get fouled is due to the carbon and gas not having an aperture at the rear of the mount to pass through. Additionally, I think people conflate rimfire cans having issues getting carbon locked with threads that stick out past the can insert. This doesn't apply to the taper mount because they are properly sized such that they don't have three or more threads protruding past the insert like a lot of rimfire applications.

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This taper mount was clean when I put the can on and has 240 rounds of 6BR through it. I think it looks pretty good. I also use a light coat of High Temp anti-seize (not copper or nickel based) on the threads and taper prior to mounting the can for the first time and as needed after that. I wipe the threads down about every time I clean the bore of the rifle which is usually in the 300 round range. It's not an arduous task. Anyway, if you have any questions from someone that's used a bunch of systems and settled on this one for most uses, don't hesitate to ask.
 
I have zero affiliation with Griffin Armament, but I do own several of their products. I also own products from Thunder Beast, SilencerCo, Dead Air, Rugged and a couple of others that are lesser known. I prefer the taper mount adapters as a way of fixing a can to the end of a barrel to any other that I have used or examined. I prefer it enough that I have switched everything that I could over to use Plan "A" mounts, so that I don't have to worry about what mounting system is on each of my barrels/rifles. I use the Griffin taper mount on almost all of my barrels.

I think that the KeyMo is a pretty nifty mounting system and I like the company. I also think it's expensive and heavy for a lot of applications, especially when compared to other options. The second sentence there is not my opinion, those are objective facts. The Area 419 system is another system that is pretty good and I don't have any issues with. My point being that there are several choices are out there that could work for your application. What matters is your priorities.

As far as the taper mount design being an issue, in short, it isn't. The first reason that it isn't an issue is because of the taper design (not unique to silencer mount applications) being a semi-locking taper in the neighborhood of 15˚ will tighten up and then require a roughly calculated force 50% greater than that used to mate the two surfaces. In other words, it isn't going to come loose on it's own. I have never in thousands of rounds, had a taper mount come loose on it's own. I have always had to purposefully loosen and remove the device. It also serves to do an amazing job aligning the silencer with the mount which is hopefully coaxially mounted to the bore of the rifle. I have found the POI shift to be almost nothing when removing and reattaching cans using the taper mount system.

The other issue that people seem to get wrapped around the axle over is the threads being ahead of the taper, with the concern being that the threads will become carbon encrusted and not want to release the device. I cannot say definitively that after thousands of rounds without removing the can that it couldn't become carbon locked. I will say that after approximately a thousand rounds of 5.56 over the course of slightly more than a year, that it hasn't. I unfortunately didn't take a picture of the brake after removing the can from that rifle, but it still looked good and the threads were pretty close to the one I will put below. The reason that the threads don't get fouled is due to the carbon and gas not having an aperture at the rear of the mount to pass through. Additionally, I think people conflate rimfire cans having issues getting carbon locked with threads that stick out past the can insert. This doesn't apply to the taper mount because they are properly sized such that they don't have three or more threads protruding past the insert like a lot of rimfire applications.

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This taper mount was clean when I put the can on and has 240 rounds of 6BR through it. I think it looks pretty good. I also use a light coat of High Temp anti-seize (not copper or nickel based) on the threads and taper prior to mounting the can for the first time and as needed after that. I wipe the threads down about every time I clean the bore of the rifle which is usually in the 300 round range. It's not an arduous task. Anyway, if you have any questions from someone that's used a bunch of systems and settled on this one for most uses, don't hesitate to ask.
Awesome breakdown, thank you. I think even if I can only use the mini brake it’s a better device than the cherry bomb unsupressed, which I will be shooting every once in a while. I emailed griffin in the middle of the day...now if only I can get them to email me back I can give their Mount a shot.
 
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I got the free Plan A and will be running my Nomad on that system with minimalist brakes at least on my ARs and RPR. I'm not concerned about the threads being located before the taper for the same reason NWnewguy enumerated, there's no reason for there to be much actual flow through the threads and into the tiny space before the taper during firing. Not much flow = not much carbon deposition = not really worried. I've also never seen a TBAC carbon locked on, and the CB threads are located in front of the taper.

I will probably run the can DT on some rifles as well, but have no real interest in Key-Mo due to the cost/weight and lack of true QD requirements in my low speed/high drag applications.
 
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I got the free Plan A and will be running my Nomad on that system with minimalist brakes at least on my ARs and RPR. I'm not concerned about the threads being located before the taper for the same reason NWnewguy enumerated, there's no reason for there to be much actual flow through the threads and into the tiny space before the taper during firing. Not much flow = not much carbon deposition = not really worried. I've also never seen a TBAC carbon locked on, and the CB threads are located in front of the taper.

I will probably run the can DT on some rifles as well, but have no real interest in Key-Mo due to the cost/weight and lack of true QD requirements in my low speed/high drag applications.
I’m leaning more towards it myself. I’m curious to try it and go against the norm that is keymo.