H&K 416's are here

#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read this and you'll laugh your ass off!!!! To hell with HK!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=277693 </div></div>That thread was pretty awesome! I love HK's, but still, that was great! </div></div>

I like HK's too but damn if they aren't stuck up.
 
#7
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Having been to Oberndorf on totaly unrelated matters I really had to hold on to my chair reading this bit,

"There was a Germany made a 6.8 HK SL8, it was a featured article on Caliber Magazine (German Waffen Rag), but it was a private effort.

I sincerely doubt we will ever see an HK MR556 in another caliber other than 556, from the factory. It would be up there with a factory desert tan SL8, and a 9mm USC's, the gun equivelant of Unicorn poo, you'll never find it because HK hides all the unicorns in the world in a secret room at Obendorf, which is German for "Secret place to hide all the unicorns in the world, and keep their poo"

Still a good HK is great piece of rifle, I wish I still had my AG3.

/Chris
 
#9
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/tactical whisper on

That thread was a great laugh. I hope the HK secret squirrels don't bust down my door for thinking their 416 is grossly overpriced.

/tactical whisper off
 
#10
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Oh dear God... HAHAHAHAHA

"During testing, the HK 416's were able to digest rusty nails, cinder block, and most other firearms without stoppage. At one point the testing team fed an entire 72 El Camino piece by piece through the ejection port, again without stoppage. During the Chuck Norris phase of testing, the 416 almost short stroked once after a series of swift roundhouse kicks. The cyclic rate slowed slightly, and then Chuck Norris was also digested without stoppage. "
 
#12
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Even the licensed .22 version is over-priced. Why would I pay $200 more when I can pick up an M&P15-22 for $450???
 
#15
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the only thing anyone knows about on calguns they either saw it on future weapons or read it on calguns.. sorry to bash another forum.. but WOW.. bunch of teenagers running around talking.. LIKE WHEN I JOIN THE MILITARY.. as in your not old enough to join.. seriously.. lame
 
#16
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HK needs to stick to pistols and SMGs. I have a USP Tactical 45, I over paid for it at 1100$. All of HK stuff is over priced, but I have not had any bad experience with any of their pistols. I have shot all of them except the new HK 45 and the sub compact p2000. They shoot great, but are over priced for a plastic gun. As for the rifles, there is a reason its not coming to the civilian market, no one really wants it. LWRC, POF, Ruger, Addax, Stag, so many are offering piston guns that work just fine. Why would anyone pay for HK's rifle over the others? The name. I would not even buy one if I could. Just for the fact of Hk arrogance. I love my USP Tactical, but would rather have a Springer TRP or equivalent. Now, if HK made 1911s......
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RONIN.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as much as i don't want to say this.. calguns seems to have even more a$$ clowns then here.. like a maser convention over there.. </div></div>

astute metaphor, sir
 
#18
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Wow,

This is just another "screw you" to the US civilians just wanting a taste of the kool aid. Probably why they are STILL dragging their feet on the MR556....so they can get some better sales off of this "air gun on steroids"

I also heard the HK 416 rollmark will be replaced with:
"Nah Nah Na Boo Boo......"
 
#19
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What I bet the problem is, they are not getting the civilian models to work properly. Im sure there mag is not better than an M14 or Armalite mag, or even the MagPuls or DPMS styles. They ventured into a market they could not handle. Maybe if they made it out of polymer? Like the SCAR or something.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I bet the problem is, they are not getting the civilian models to work properly. Im sure there mag is not better than an M14 or Armalite mag, or even the MagPuls or DPMS styles. They ventured into a market they could not handle. Maybe if they made it out of polymer? Like the SCAR or something. </div></div>

WTF are you talking about? 417? It already works and is in service.
 
#23
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yeah those "kids" sure made a funny thread.. lol all HAIL HK..
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#25
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HK stuff is way overpriced, not compatible with non-HK product, and not demonstrably better than many less expensive non-HK products. In sum: you are paying for the "HK" label, not much else.

I'll stick with building my own, or buying a custom which can outperform the HK for le$$!
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#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I bet the problem is, they are not getting the civilian models to work properly. Im sure there mag is not better than an M14 or Armalite mag, or even the MagPuls or DPMS styles. They ventured into a market they could not handle. Maybe if they made it out of polymer? Like the SCAR or something. </div></div>

WTF are you talking about? 417? It already works and is in service. </div></div>

Well, Danish military guys told me this summer that they dont use HK 416 and/or 417 at A-stan at the moment or anymore.
Fine sand stucks between gas piston and rod with burnt powder residue, and as an result rifle ka-booms. Apparently sand prevents locking lugs to turn full battery but hammer still ignites primer.
They had so many injuries that HK:s are currently only in training use where proper cleaning is possible to do.
 
#28
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I thought they were using their own special see thru mag for the 308. Of course you can find people saying it works, but I havent seen any hard evidence it does like the 416. The 416 runs like any other piston, thats been seen. Maybe Im looking in the wrong place, but I havent seen anything about the 417, except word of mouth. No videos, or an unbiased hands on report. I am just assuming they are having trouble with it because it keeps getting delayed, why else would HK delay it so much? I have been drooling over the gun like everyone else, but its no where to be found. Maybe HK is hoarding too much unicorn poo?
 
#30
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HK 417 is in current use with certain armed forces as DM-rifles and also as a regular substitute for 416 as personal weapon when required in certain places.
HK has long time experience with gas piston designs so I would not question the reliability of their products, however over and over again issues can be seen when armies field new weapons without experience and proper procedures in place for them.
Their rolling lock bolts used in G3/G91 and a similar design in the MGs is nearly indestructible.
The questionable about their latest design is that it is not their own from scratch but rather a mix between a totally different product and their gas pistons.
The main reason behind this mix would most likely be to enter new markets that would not be willing to adopt a completely new design due to existing doctrine and training methods.
Their customer service and unwillingness to sell to civvies is another topic alltogehter though.

Regarding their magazines, I have personally tried most of the "popular" brands but I revert back to the HK416 5.56 mags when the highest reliability is required. Just the feel of those compared to anything else should be enough to convince that they work.

John - out
 
#31
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Ok, all you HK haters. Answer these questions:

Question: If HK was so adamant about not letting civies have 416 uppers to the point that they got into legal scare tactics to retrieve them...how is it that they are responsible for the current MARKET VALUE of the 416 uppers?

Answer: They aren't...at least directly. Supply and demand is a bitch. And for every one of you haters, there are just as many HK fanatics. KAC is overpriced...they just make that shit up and keep the supply low....thus demand is high. Where all my KAC haters at?


Question: If these piston uppers are such a gimmick, why is everyone else following suit?

Answer: Even if it just boils down the getting the $$$ out of John Q Mallninja, HK isn't alone in that boat. Show me any company whose bottom line isn't to make money. You don't believe me, watch these guys break their necks for a government contract.

Question: Why is HK so hated and LWRC and POF are so loved?

(All Quality aside considering few actually have time behind the 416 and rival systems for honest and actual evaluation)

Answer: HK said "fuck you, civvy". You didn't like it, so now you're pouting. Did you realize that not long ago, before they started with AR's, POF sold cheap, Pakistani HK parts. Any HK hater fawning over his POF can help himself to a nice cool glass of hypocrisy on that one.

This shit is getting old. There are plenty of guns I hate. Ya know what, I don't buy them.
 
#32
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I dont hate HKs products, just their cutomer service. But your right, they are about the government, and PMC contracts, they do say fuck civvies. I own one of their pistols, and would buy an actual G3 or 91 any day if it came to it. I would also buy another pistol of theirs. I dont hate them, I just know them. Ive been drooling over the 417 since the first time I saw it. Im just mad its not available, I would trade my Armalite and sell what I got to get that gun. I have contemplated selling my left nut for a slect fire one. Im no hater, I just cant seem to find many videos or personal accounts with them other than editorials or such which tends to be biased. Im just trying to be realistic, of course the fielded versions works, but maybe our versions are having problems. Even German Engineering runs into set backs. Id rather it work like an HK should when it comes out. Not like the REPR did, atleast from what I have read, or POF for the matter. Now Armalite, thats a company that needs to go to the next step with their 308s. Again, my experience comes from reading alot, not much hands on. I just felt like contributing to the bashing of the 416 and 417 not being in our hands.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John lima_mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can reassure you - both the 416 and the 417 works...even in select fire config
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John - out </div></div>

+1

I have both in my rack , they run absolutely smoothly and reliable

PP out
 
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