H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

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#1
OK guys, here's one for ya:

I've got a a DPMS 18" heavy barrel .308. I'm looking for a way to get the 208 AMAX, seated to mag depth (let's say about 2.820-ish) to give me about 2300-2400 fps out of the .308 case.

The thought occurred to me that H110 is about my favorite powder in the .460 S&W Magnum, which has to my MkI eyeball about the same internal capacity as a .308 case, minus the neck.

1: The RCBS Cast Bullet Manual #1 talks about using it for 175 cast bullets in .308, but not fast enough for this.

2: 208 grains is near the bottom of what the 460 handles in terms of bullet weight, Hodgdon lists bullets up to 395 grains.

3: AT around 200 grains, Hodgdon lists 2300+ fps for rounds out of the 10 3/4" barrel 460 at 42,900 psi.

What am I missing here? My gut wonders if I'd blow myself to shit trying this, and I know that with ball powder I either gotta go full-bore or skip it, so I'm not sure I can get away with pansy-loading this to 'see if it kills me'.

Does anybody have any experience/suggestions on this? Can somebody with QuickLoad (I'm too broke to spend $152+ S&H) tell me what sort of pressures I'd be looking at and what kinds of velocities I could achieve (if it didn't kill me)?

Should I look at another powder? I obviously cannot seat these bullets at 3" and change for the RL-17 loads I see discussed on the 'Hide, so that option is out...

Thanks in advance!
 
#5
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a a DPMS 18" heavy barrel .308. I'm looking for a way to get the 208 AMAX, seated to mag depth (let's say about 2.820-ish) to give me about 2300-2400 fps out of the .308 case.</div></div>

I don't understand why a normal rifle powder wouldn't work. Varget is probably going to put you around 2500 to 2600. H4895 could easily put you right where you need to be. If you just wanted to play w/ a pistol powder, 2400 would probably be a better choice, but I wouldn't do it.

Craftsman Workmate and Long String...
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Good luck and stay safe.
 
#6
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

Thanks, Mtn
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I'm planning on staying as safe as I can. I've got lots of Varget so it's a very tempting choice, I'm just under the impression it won't cut the mustard with such a heavy bullet? Any experience on this one?
 
#7
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

Varget and 190gr smk's do very well in .308. For a 208gr, it's probably the best powder available in that cartridge (or close to it). I would save the H110 for .357 mags.

Just for fun, pm Clark and see if he would try it. If he wouldn't try it, Don't Do It!
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#9
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaHick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol NSO i've only got one shooting buddy who's also on the 'Hide. He's gonna want to charge you per viewing if I let him video... </div></div>

Darn entrepreur. Seriously though, I would use the Varget.
 
#10
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

OK, so here's where I BTT and ask if anybody with QuickLoad can give me any recommendations. I need to seat to a max OAL of 2.820 or my mags won't feed.

Nominal dimension for the Win .308 case, from 6th Ed. Sierra manual, is as follows: Height to Shoulder (from base of case): 1.560"

If the bullet is 1.532" long, after you do the math (I put it in Excel to be sure) you come up with a .272" protrusion into the case. If you want to check me, I think it's just a 2-step process:

1)COAL - Height to Shoulder = X (1.26")
2)Bullet Lengtht - X = protrusion into case = 0.272"

45 grains of Varget comes riiiiight up to the bottom of the neck. That won't allow .272" of protrusion w/o breaking granules open, subsequently effing up the retardant and temp. stability properties of Varget. In other words, I have to use drastically less powder than will compress with a 190 SMK or other non AMAX-length bullets.

I guess I'll start at 38 grains and see how far I can go before I compress enough to break the powder extrusions open? Hopefully somewhere in there is a node that's accurate enough to be worth a crap. I'll attempt to OCW it and go 38, 39.1, 40.2, etc. until I start crunching stuff, then see what flattens primers beyond my comfort zone...

I'm also tempted to try CFE 223, it's a lot slower but not as compromised if I break granules of powder open, compared to the Varget.
 
#11
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

QuickLoad shows a bit different case capacity calculation for that COAL than you are showing - I think I'd previously tweaked my values to match what I found from weighing the water capacity of Lapua 308 cases, but still, it's way off from what you're showing as max. Your mileage may vary, and don't take any of the following as gospel.


For Varget, using 100% of calculated capacity, it's 2296 fps @ 41.3 grains:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Hodgdon VARGET

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 33.04 1864 1605 32205 7774 91.9 1.401
-18.0 82 33.87 1907 1680 34224 8011 92.9 1.366
-16.0 84 34.69 1951 1758 36344 8242 93.8 1.331
-14.0 86 35.52 1994 1837 38582 8467 94.7 1.294
-12.0 88 36.34 2038 1918 40952 8684 95.5 1.257
-10.0 90 37.17 2081 2000 43464 8893 96.3 1.222
-08.0 92 38.00 2124 2084 46126 9094 96.9 1.188
-06.0 94 38.82 2167 2170 48949 9286 97.6 1.156
-04.0 96 39.65 2211 2257 51943 9467 98.1 1.124
-02.0 98 40.47 2253 2345 55120 9639 98.6 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 41.30 2296 2435 58495 9799 99.0 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 42.13 2339 2527 62081 9948 99.3 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 42.95 2382 2619 65895 10084 99.6 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 43.78 2424 2713 69954 10207 99.8 0.983 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 44.60 2466 2809 74280 10317 99.9 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 45.43 2508 2905 78894 10413 100.0 0.933 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 41.30 2385 2627 68381 9555 100.0 0.997 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 41.30 2174 2184 48802 9615 94.3 1.153
</pre></div></div>

For comparison, see what happens if you try out H110 <span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">(and DO NOT DO TH</span>IS)</span> - bear in mind max pressure is 62k, so a 100% charge of H110 of 45.8 grains developing a pressure of 166k is a very bad idea. If your gun were to survive (which it will not), you would get a blazing muzzle velocity, though!:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H110

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 36.64 2384 2625 90126 8037 100.0 0.924 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-18.0 82 37.56 2423 2712 95908 8181 100.0 0.900 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-16.0 84 38.47 2462 2801 102021 8322 100.0 0.878 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-14.0 86 39.39 2501 2890 108488 8460 100.0 0.857 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-12.0 88 40.30 2540 2980 115336 8595 100.0 0.836 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-10.0 90 41.22 2579 3072 122596 8727 100.0 0.817 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-08.0 92 42.14 2618 3165 130298 8856 100.0 0.798 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-06.0 94 43.05 2656 3258 138482 8982 100.0 0.780 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-04.0 96 43.97 2695 3354 147186 9104 100.0 0.762 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-02.0 98 44.88 2733 3450 156459 9223 100.0 0.745 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 100 45.80 2772 3548 166350 9338 100.0 0.729 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 102 46.72 2810 3648 176919 9449 100.0 0.713 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 47.63 2849 3749 188233 9556 100.0 0.697 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 48.55 2888 3852 200366 9659 100.0 0.683 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 49.46 2927 3956 213406 9757 100.0 0.668 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 50.38 2966 4062 227451 9851 100.0 0.654 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 45.80 2791 3597 183043 9238 100.0 0.710 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 45.80 2745 3481 147687 9476 100.0 0.755 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
</pre></div></div>

I might be inclined to try BL-C2, but though it doesn't fill the case:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Hodgdon BL-C2

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 75 35.04 1914 1691 32478 8393 94.6 1.401
-18.0 77 35.92 1960 1774 34635 8631 95.6 1.365
-16.0 79 36.79 2006 1859 36933 8858 96.4 1.329
-14.0 81 37.67 2052 1945 39379 9075 97.2 1.289
-12.0 83 38.54 2098 2033 41984 9280 97.8 1.250
-10.0 85 39.42 2144 2123 44758 9472 98.4 1.213
-08.0 86 40.30 2190 2214 47715 9651 98.9 1.177
-06.0 88 41.17 2235 2307 50867 9816 99.3 1.143
-04.0 90 42.05 2280 2402 54229 9966 99.6 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 92 42.92 2325 2497 57818 10100 99.8 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 94 43.80 2370 2595 61652 10218 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 96 44.68 2415 2693 65751 10319 100.0 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 98 45.55 2459 2792 70140 10412 100.0 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 100 46.43 2503 2893 74842 10501 100.0 0.961 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 102 47.30 2547 2995 79888 10587 100.0 0.934 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 103 48.18 2590 3099 85310 10669 100.0 0.908 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 94 43.80 2457 2789 73677 9823 100.0 0.974 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 94 43.80 2241 2319 49903 10309 96.9 1.144
</pre></div></div>

Or Ramshot TAC:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 73 33.20 1917 1697 34118 8060 95.6 1.376
-18.0 74 34.03 1960 1775 36249 8275 96.4 1.341
-16.0 76 34.86 2004 1854 38502 8482 97.1 1.302
-14.0 78 35.69 2047 1935 40885 8679 97.8 1.266
-12.0 80 36.52 2090 2017 43405 8867 98.3 1.231
-10.0 82 37.35 2133 2101 46071 9043 98.8 1.196
-08.0 84 38.18 2175 2185 48891 9208 99.2 1.164
-06.0 85 39.01 2217 2271 51875 9361 99.5 1.132
-04.0 87 39.84 2259 2358 55033 9502 99.7 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 89 40.67 2301 2445 58379 9630 99.9 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 91 41.50 2342 2534 61924 9744 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 93 42.33 2383 2623 65683 9845 100.0 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 94 43.16 2424 2714 69671 9942 100.0 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 96 43.99 2464 2805 73905 10037 100.0 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 98 44.82 2505 2897 78405 10129 100.0 0.942 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 100 45.65 2544 2990 83192 10219 100.0 0.918 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 91 41.50 2419 2702 72585 9389 100.0 0.979 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 91 41.50 2229 2295 51369 9868 97.5 1.132
</pre></div></div>
 
#12
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

Wow, now THAT'S what I call a response. Thank you! This is exactly what I needed (besides shelling out the $ I don't have for a copy of this program)!

Settles the question about using H110... I wonder why RCBS had (has?) it in their cast bullet manual for the .308?
 
#13
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaHick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, now THAT'S what I call a response. Thank you! This is exactly what I needed (besides shelling out the $ I don't have for a copy of this program)!

Settles the question about using H110... I wonder why RCBS had (has?) it in their cast bullet manual for the .308? </div></div>

I will say that QL is a very valuable program - I should have bought it a long time ago - but I think this discussion about H110 in particular shows the limits of using a data model alone for predicting performance (read on).

For cast bullets, the velocities need to be lower generally than for jacketed. I don't know if those loads in the RCBS manual are for old-timey frontier rifles, single-shot pistols or what, but they aren't for use with modern jacketed bullets at modern 308 speeds.

That said, even if you decide to load cast bullets, there are a few dire warnings out there if you google around for "H110 308" that describe kabooms with this powder (or suspicion of the opposite - squibs) - even with lead bullets, explained by inconsistent ignition with less-than-full cases. I re-ran the calculation in QL to give figures for a max safe H110 load (judging by pressure) and here's what it gave me:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H110

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 54 24.88 1845 1573 37790 5990 100.0 1.365
-18.0 56 25.50 1876 1626 39765 6107 100.0 1.332
-16.0 57 26.12 1907 1679 41812 6222 100.0 1.300
-14.0 58 26.75 1937 1733 43934 6337 100.0 1.270
-12.0 60 27.37 1967 1786 46132 6451 100.0 1.241
-10.0 61 27.99 1996 1840 48410 6564 100.0 1.213
-08.0 62 28.61 2025 1895 50769 6677 100.0 1.187
-06.0 64 29.23 2054 1949 53214 6788 100.0 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 65 29.86 2083 2004 55746 6898 100.0 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 67 30.48 2112 2059 58370 7008 100.0 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 68 31.10 2140 2115 61088 7117 100.0 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 69 31.72 2168 2171 63904 7224 100.0 1.070 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 71 32.34 2196 2227 66822 7331 100.0 1.049 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 72 32.97 2224 2283 69847 7436 100.0 1.029 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 73 33.59 2251 2340 72981 7541 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 75 34.21 2278 2397 76231 7644 100.0 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 68 31.10 2168 2171 68475 7004 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 68 31.10 2099 2035 53187 7275 100.0 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
</pre></div></div>

How do those loads and velocities compare to what RCBS says? <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">I still wouldn't use H110, period, even for cast bullets based on the warnings I saw elsewhere.</span></span>
 
#14
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

afrancke, any chance can you run me QL on RL15 and 17, H414 and CFE 223? If you've got better things to do I won't complain.

Unless one of those can get me to 2300+ w/o violating the 'dangerous' range at +10% between lots, I'm going to stick with about 2250 fps as a velocity target...

Might just save me $100 in bullets, lol

As for RCBS, I can only find reference to their reference to H110. There may be a reason I don't hear about it mentioned in anything but their first edition cast bullet manual...
 
#15
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

Here's RL-15:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 33.84 1910 1685 32998 8317 92.5 1.395
-18.0 81 34.69 1956 1767 35119 8564 93.5 1.359
-16.0 83 35.53 2002 1850 37369 8803 94.5 1.324
-14.0 85 36.38 2047 1936 39757 9034 95.4 1.285
-12.0 87 37.22 2093 2023 42290 9256 96.2 1.247
-10.0 89 38.07 2138 2111 44979 9467 96.9 1.211
-08.0 91 38.92 2183 2202 47834 9668 97.5 1.176
-06.0 93 39.76 2229 2294 50866 9857 98.1 1.143
-04.0 95 40.61 2274 2387 54087 10034 98.6 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 41.45 2318 2482 57512 10198 99.0 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 42.30 2363 2579 61155 10348 99.4 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 43.15 2407 2677 65034 10484 99.7 1.021 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 43.99 2452 2776 69166 10605 99.8 0.993 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 44.84 2495 2876 73572 10710 100.0 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 45.68 2539 2978 78276 10800 100.0 0.941 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 46.53 2583 3080 83304 10879 100.0 0.915 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 42.30 2456 2786 72465 9991 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 42.30 2231 2299 50094 10250 95.0 1.145
</pre></div></div>

Here's RL-17:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 35.82 1839 1561 27314 8493 89.3 1.465
-18.0 82 36.72 1887 1644 29103 8797 90.7 1.427
-16.0 84 37.62 1935 1730 31014 9091 92.0 1.390
-14.0 86 38.51 1984 1819 33055 9375 93.3 1.355
-12.0 88 39.41 2034 1910 35238 9647 94.4 1.319
-10.0 90 40.30 2083 2004 37573 9905 95.5 1.282
-08.0 92 41.20 2132 2100 40077 10148 96.5 1.242
-06.0 94 42.09 2182 2199 42758 10375 97.3 1.204
-04.0 96 42.99 2232 2300 45636 10584 98.0 1.167
-02.0 98 43.88 2281 2403 48728 10774 98.6 1.132
+00.0 100 44.78 2331 2509 52053 10944 99.2 1.098
+02.0 102 45.68 2380 2616 55632 11092 99.5 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 104 46.57 2429 2726 59494 11218 99.8 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 106 47.47 2478 2837 63663 11321 100.0 1.001 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 48.36 2527 2950 68174 11399 100.0 0.971 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 49.26 2576 3064 73061 11467 100.0 0.942 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 44.78 2448 2769 63268 10530 100.0 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 44.78 2164 2163 42322 10639 92.8 1.209
</pre></div></div>

Here's H414:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 208, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 46.316 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H414

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 36.12 1820 1530 28096 8065 83.2 1.462
-18.0 82 37.02 1868 1611 29954 8364 84.6 1.424
-16.0 84 37.93 1915 1695 31945 8659 86.0 1.387
-14.0 86 38.83 1964 1781 34073 8948 87.4 1.351
-12.0 88 39.73 2012 1870 36350 9232 88.6 1.314
-10.0 90 40.64 2061 1962 38787 9510 89.9 1.275
-08.0 92 41.54 2110 2056 41398 9779 91.0 1.236
-06.0 94 42.44 2159 2154 44204 10039 92.1 1.198
-04.0 96 43.34 2209 2254 47215 10290 93.2 1.162
-02.0 98 44.25 2259 2356 50451 10529 94.2 1.127
+00.0 100 45.15 2309 2461 53935 10756 95.1 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 46.05 2359 2569 57690 10970 95.9 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 104 46.96 2409 2680 61742 11170 96.7 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 47.86 2459 2793 66124 11355 97.4 0.997 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 48.76 2510 2909 70867 11523 98.0 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 49.67 2560 3027 75990 11674 98.5 0.938 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 45.15 2437 2743 65541 10839 99.3 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 45.15 2144 2124 43635 10124 86.9 1.201
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QL doesn't yet have CFE223, unfortunately. I wish it did, though.
 
#17
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

BTW, afrancke, apparently there was an update to QL in November that had CFE233 in it. I'm not trying to make you my bitch, just saying if there are any other powders you don't have, they might be in there. Thanks again for all your help on this!!
 
#18
Re: H110 in 18" Bbl .308-somebody w/ QuickLoad?

No problem. If you work up to any of these max loads and use a chrono, it would be best. If you work up and just watch pressure signs on the brass, it ought to be okay. Ideally double-check your actual 308 case capacity against what I was using (55.8 grains) and bullet length, since I noticed both of mine differed from what you had originally posted.
 
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