Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
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http://kitup.military.com/2011/05/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-update.html
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/socom-psr-contenders/
Latest update on the OLD opportunity listing.
Synopsis:
Added: May 04, 2011 9:57 am
The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) cancels Request for Proposals (RFP) H92222-10-R-0016, Precision Sniper Rifle (PSR) in its entirety. No award will be made as a result of this RFP. The Government has reassessed the evaluation criteria that would render best value awards for the PSR. The current PSR RFP evaluation criteria falls short in accurately assessing the quality and capability of the proposed weapons and therefore it is in the Government's best interest to cancel the RFP.
Here is the NEW opportunity listing in "presolicitation".
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&...re&_cview=1
And the fun from the spec sheet? They have been pretty specific about what cartridges they want to be able to use. My back of the envelope calculations indicate that most 300 WM loads would be out for this. At the range they want to measure velocity and energy, my calculations are coming up short on 338 loads as well.
2.0 PSR P.S. 3.4.2.1 The projectile shall have a remaining velocity of no less than 1,228 feet per second under nominal conditions at 1500 meters(1640 yards).
2.1 PSR P.S. 3.4.2.2 The projectile shall have a minimum of 700 ft-lbs. of kinetic energy at 1500 meters (1640 yards).
2.2 PSR P.S. 3.2.3.9 The PSR rifle, when fired without suppressor, shall hold 1.0 Minute of Angle (MOA) Extreme Vertical Spread (EVS) at 914 meters (1000 yards). Nominal conditions are defined as a full value base wind speed not to exceed 9 mph and temperatures ranging from 40° F to 125° F, with or without precipitation
3.0 The following documentation must be provided with the Product
Samples:
a) Documentation of the primer’s energetic components as well asmake, model and manufacturer.
b) Documentation of the propellants chemical composition as wellas make, model, and manufacturer.
c) Composition, profile, and weight of the projectile.
The vendor list for the updated PSR bid right now includes Barrett, Beretta, Cheytac, Bartlein, and Steyr. Everyone else on the bid are small players. Its hard to imagine some of them handling the 5,150 system manufacturing load.
http://kitup.military.com/2011/05/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-update.html
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/socom-psr-contenders/
Latest update on the OLD opportunity listing.
Synopsis:
Added: May 04, 2011 9:57 am
The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) cancels Request for Proposals (RFP) H92222-10-R-0016, Precision Sniper Rifle (PSR) in its entirety. No award will be made as a result of this RFP. The Government has reassessed the evaluation criteria that would render best value awards for the PSR. The current PSR RFP evaluation criteria falls short in accurately assessing the quality and capability of the proposed weapons and therefore it is in the Government's best interest to cancel the RFP.
Here is the NEW opportunity listing in "presolicitation".
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&...re&_cview=1
And the fun from the spec sheet? They have been pretty specific about what cartridges they want to be able to use. My back of the envelope calculations indicate that most 300 WM loads would be out for this. At the range they want to measure velocity and energy, my calculations are coming up short on 338 loads as well.
2.0 PSR P.S. 3.4.2.1 The projectile shall have a remaining velocity of no less than 1,228 feet per second under nominal conditions at 1500 meters(1640 yards).
2.1 PSR P.S. 3.4.2.2 The projectile shall have a minimum of 700 ft-lbs. of kinetic energy at 1500 meters (1640 yards).
2.2 PSR P.S. 3.2.3.9 The PSR rifle, when fired without suppressor, shall hold 1.0 Minute of Angle (MOA) Extreme Vertical Spread (EVS) at 914 meters (1000 yards). Nominal conditions are defined as a full value base wind speed not to exceed 9 mph and temperatures ranging from 40° F to 125° F, with or without precipitation
3.0 The following documentation must be provided with the Product
Samples:
a) Documentation of the primer’s energetic components as well asmake, model and manufacturer.
b) Documentation of the propellants chemical composition as wellas make, model, and manufacturer.
c) Composition, profile, and weight of the projectile.
The vendor list for the updated PSR bid right now includes Barrett, Beretta, Cheytac, Bartlein, and Steyr. Everyone else on the bid are small players. Its hard to imagine some of them handling the 5,150 system manufacturing load.
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought Cheytac was going under, may be not?
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They got bought by the CIA. SSSHHHH......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought Cheytac was going under, may be not?
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They got bought by the CIA. SSSHHHH......
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
All that sounds brillant , just like the SCAR project , does ON for 10yrs , when they do finally make them , they issue approx 1,500 rifles for 3 mths then pull them out of the hands of the Soldiers , saying they are not worth the extra cost of having as they are similar to the M4 in most ways , and puts unecessary pressure on parts/maintainance .
All that sounds brillant , just like the SCAR project , does ON for 10yrs , when they do finally make them , they issue approx 1,500 rifles for 3 mths then pull them out of the hands of the Soldiers , saying they are not worth the extra cost of having as they are similar to the M4 in most ways , and puts unecessary pressure on parts/maintainance .
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
When I see stuff like this I always worry of industry influence, particularly that a big player's entry wasn't doing well against the competition, so they decided to update the rules. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it does concern me.
When I see stuff like this I always worry of industry influence, particularly that a big player's entry wasn't doing well against the competition, so they decided to update the rules. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it does concern me.
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bonneville</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You forgot the best of the best AI</div></div>
Not that I can see. At least they haven't applied as an interested vendor under their own name against the opportunity. Remember that just because someone is in the industry as a preferred vendor for enthusiasts, doesn't neccessarily mean that they would be considered for a government bid.
They have to be interested in the business, too. It has to make economic sense for them. And in this case, the opportunity is for a maximum of 5000-and-change rifle packages PLUS an incredible amount of ammunition for the maximum set price of the engagement... which has to include all of the provided test samples and ammunition for BOTH initial T&E during solicitation and for extended field T&E included in the draft solicitation package.
We just had this discussion in the semi-auto forum around stuff from KAC. Just because there are places that can build 20 rifles for an agency that are arguably better than KAC products and/or do it at a lower per-unit price, doesnt neccessarily mean that they could do that at the scale the military wants and/or would be happy with the money that the military is willing to pay them per unit.
The flip side of this also is that there will be broken stuff. Both on delivery, and from field usage. Whoever wins the contract is also going to then eat some of the profit margin through a long term military support experience and the attendant trailing cost that it implies.
This is complicated further by the military's requirement that the provider of the rifle ALSO provide the ammunition. From the Industry Day questions for this solicitation:
19. (Question) Will there be a separate contract for the PSR weapon and the PSR
ammunition?
ANSWER: No, there will only be one contract.
To me, addressing one of the other points already brought up in the thread, it makes me wonder if this is not intentionally slanting the playing field towards Barrett. You can easily see them putting forward something like one of the recent 338 or 416 options not already in military service, point to their pittance of commercially offered ammo in those calibers to meet the "non wildcat" language.
At the same time I would also say that they would be a valid contender to meet any such solicitation so I say that as an observation, not a concern. They would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind (possibly even stupid) to walk away from this bid.
Some of those interested in the PSR might be really interested in the PSR industry day slide deck.
https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=632116ed28975c5581a461132d067dc6
Max value of $252MM project, with flexibility for multiple awards (e.g. they say that multiple vendor models are accepted or multiple models form the same vendor are accepted). That price tag covers 10.3 MILLION rounds of ammunition, and then the 5k kits of rifle/suppressor/bipod/cleaning kit/op manual/drag bag/parts kit/magazines/sling/hard case as well as go/no go guages, etc.
And... one of the interesting requirements from the documentation is that they will use a chrono setup at 1000 yards to calculate the velocity and energy at 1640 yards. Might be fun as a match stage somewhere. Use coat hangar wire and a shaped wood block to "simulate" a normal sized chrono in front of a target at 1000. Fire X shots. Disqualify any who touch the chrono. Tiebreaker is the score on the target in traditional bullseye scoring.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bonneville</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You forgot the best of the best AI</div></div>
Not that I can see. At least they haven't applied as an interested vendor under their own name against the opportunity. Remember that just because someone is in the industry as a preferred vendor for enthusiasts, doesn't neccessarily mean that they would be considered for a government bid.
They have to be interested in the business, too. It has to make economic sense for them. And in this case, the opportunity is for a maximum of 5000-and-change rifle packages PLUS an incredible amount of ammunition for the maximum set price of the engagement... which has to include all of the provided test samples and ammunition for BOTH initial T&E during solicitation and for extended field T&E included in the draft solicitation package.
We just had this discussion in the semi-auto forum around stuff from KAC. Just because there are places that can build 20 rifles for an agency that are arguably better than KAC products and/or do it at a lower per-unit price, doesnt neccessarily mean that they could do that at the scale the military wants and/or would be happy with the money that the military is willing to pay them per unit.
The flip side of this also is that there will be broken stuff. Both on delivery, and from field usage. Whoever wins the contract is also going to then eat some of the profit margin through a long term military support experience and the attendant trailing cost that it implies.
This is complicated further by the military's requirement that the provider of the rifle ALSO provide the ammunition. From the Industry Day questions for this solicitation:
19. (Question) Will there be a separate contract for the PSR weapon and the PSR
ammunition?
ANSWER: No, there will only be one contract.
To me, addressing one of the other points already brought up in the thread, it makes me wonder if this is not intentionally slanting the playing field towards Barrett. You can easily see them putting forward something like one of the recent 338 or 416 options not already in military service, point to their pittance of commercially offered ammo in those calibers to meet the "non wildcat" language.
At the same time I would also say that they would be a valid contender to meet any such solicitation so I say that as an observation, not a concern. They would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind (possibly even stupid) to walk away from this bid.
Some of those interested in the PSR might be really interested in the PSR industry day slide deck.
https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=632116ed28975c5581a461132d067dc6
Max value of $252MM project, with flexibility for multiple awards (e.g. they say that multiple vendor models are accepted or multiple models form the same vendor are accepted). That price tag covers 10.3 MILLION rounds of ammunition, and then the 5k kits of rifle/suppressor/bipod/cleaning kit/op manual/drag bag/parts kit/magazines/sling/hard case as well as go/no go guages, etc.
And... one of the interesting requirements from the documentation is that they will use a chrono setup at 1000 yards to calculate the velocity and energy at 1640 yards. Might be fun as a match stage somewhere. Use coat hangar wire and a shaped wood block to "simulate" a normal sized chrono in front of a target at 1000. Fire X shots. Disqualify any who touch the chrono. Tiebreaker is the score on the target in traditional bullseye scoring.
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well atleast when they choose the rifle they now have an awesome scope to top it off
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Who got the contract for the PSR scope? I've been wanting to know that for a while.
-SBS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well atleast when they choose the rifle they now have an awesome scope to top it off
Who got the contract for the PSR scope? I've been wanting to know that for a while.
-SBS
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Who got the contract for the PSR scope? I've been wanting to know that for a while.
-SBS</div></div>
Just announced yesterday
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2644573#Post2644573
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Who got the contract for the PSR scope? I've been wanting to know that for a while.
-SBS</div></div>
Just announced yesterday
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2644573#Post2644573
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
Look for Remington to be a big player. They already have all the pieces in place to cover all the requirements of the RFP including ammunition.
Look for Remington to be a big player. They already have all the pieces in place to cover all the requirements of the RFP including ammunition.
Re: Has the PSR rifle contract been cancelled ?
Damn, good for S&B, they make a great piece of kit. Thanks for the link Rob.
Damn, good for S&B, they make a great piece of kit. Thanks for the link Rob.
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