whats up guys im new to the hide. Im currently in the market a for medium to long range rifle. max being about 1000-1200 yards.I initially was thinking about a remington 700 chambered in a 300 win mag heavy barrel. Ive checked everywhere and i guess they dont make a sps 700 300 heavy barrel. What options do i have? should i find a used r700 300wm and get it rebarrelled? should i get custom? my budget for this rifle is hopefully around 1700 with optics. any input is appreciated.
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help me choose a medium-long range rifle
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Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
On a 1700 dollar budget you should be able to get a brand new sendero and still have a little left for some used optics. Sendero is a good gun to start a build around and you can get it in 300 mag.
On a 1700 dollar budget you should be able to get a brand new sendero and still have a little left for some used optics. Sendero is a good gun to start a build around and you can get it in 300 mag.
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
XCR Long Range Tactical
Sendero SFII
700P
All 26" Heavy barreled and chambered in 300WM
XCR Long Range Tactical
Sendero SFII
700P
All 26" Heavy barreled and chambered in 300WM
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
$1700. t'aint much of a budget. Better to get a Remmy 700 in 308, for $600.ish, and leaving $1100 for bases rings and scope, then spending $1100 on a rifle, and leaving you in Barska territory.
You don't need a 300 mag to shoot to a max of 1000-1200 yds.
If you absolutely must have a 300 win mag: You can find good serviceable optics in the $600-800 range. You can find decent rings and bases for under $200. You can find Rem 700 5R's in 300 mag for just under a grand. But realistically a budget of more like 2K$ should get you there.
As to rebarreling: Done right, minimum $600-650. That's for the barrel, threading, chambering, fitting, and having your action trued. Lot's of advantages to re-barreling, however price is not one of them.
Bob
$1700. t'aint much of a budget. Better to get a Remmy 700 in 308, for $600.ish, and leaving $1100 for bases rings and scope, then spending $1100 on a rifle, and leaving you in Barska territory.
You don't need a 300 mag to shoot to a max of 1000-1200 yds.
If you absolutely must have a 300 win mag: You can find good serviceable optics in the $600-800 range. You can find decent rings and bases for under $200. You can find Rem 700 5R's in 300 mag for just under a grand. But realistically a budget of more like 2K$ should get you there.
As to rebarreling: Done right, minimum $600-650. That's for the barrel, threading, chambering, fitting, and having your action trued. Lot's of advantages to re-barreling, however price is not one of them.
Bob
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whats up guys im new to the hide. Im currently in the market a for medium to long range rifle. max being about 1000-1200 yards.I initially was thinking about a remington 700 chambered in a 300 win mag heavy barrel. Ive checked everywhere and i guess they dont make a sps 700 300 heavy barrel. What options do i have? should i find a used r700 300wm and get it rebarrelled? should i get custom? my budget for this rifle is hopefully around 1700 with optics. any input is appreciated. </div></div>
The 300WM is a fantastic round for a small percentage of shooting that is NOT accomplished by less powerful rounds. Most people do not realize the power and range of this cartridge... or most cartridges for that matter, which brings me to the point. If you're going to shoot 1000-1200 yds, there are MANY chamberings that will get you there successfully and go a LOT easier on your pocketbook and shoulder.
The .308 may not be the most elegant round on the planet, but it WILL get you there and you'll learn a lot on the way. If you grow weary of lobbing lead on rainbow-like trajectories and battling minor cross-breezes, you can rechamber it to .260 Rem. which is virtually a 300WM Lite, when you wear out your barrel.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whats up guys im new to the hide. Im currently in the market a for medium to long range rifle. max being about 1000-1200 yards.I initially was thinking about a remington 700 chambered in a 300 win mag heavy barrel. Ive checked everywhere and i guess they dont make a sps 700 300 heavy barrel. What options do i have? should i find a used r700 300wm and get it rebarrelled? should i get custom? my budget for this rifle is hopefully around 1700 with optics. any input is appreciated. </div></div>
The 300WM is a fantastic round for a small percentage of shooting that is NOT accomplished by less powerful rounds. Most people do not realize the power and range of this cartridge... or most cartridges for that matter, which brings me to the point. If you're going to shoot 1000-1200 yds, there are MANY chamberings that will get you there successfully and go a LOT easier on your pocketbook and shoulder.
The .308 may not be the most elegant round on the planet, but it WILL get you there and you'll learn a lot on the way. If you grow weary of lobbing lead on rainbow-like trajectories and battling minor cross-breezes, you can rechamber it to .260 Rem. which is virtually a 300WM Lite, when you wear out your barrel.
John
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so whats the max range of a 300 win mag?</div></div>
i missed a goat on a wall at 1800yd....just barely thusly no joy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so whats the max range of a 300 win mag?</div></div>
i missed a goat on a wall at 1800yd....just barely thusly no joy
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so whats the max range of a 300 win mag? </div></div>
A lot further than most of us (OK... most of YOU
) have range to shoot.
Like Bolt alluded too (if you stick around long enough, you *might* get to see his video) it's well past a mile. There are several Hide members that have made decent showings at 2000 yds. and beyond with the right load and conditions.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so whats the max range of a 300 win mag? </div></div>
A lot further than most of us (OK... most of YOU
Like Bolt alluded too (if you stick around long enough, you *might* get to see his video) it's well past a mile. There are several Hide members that have made decent showings at 2000 yds. and beyond with the right load and conditions.
John
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im currently in the market a for medium to long range rifle. max being about 1000-1200 yards.</div></div>
Damn. What do you consider long range? 4000 yards?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im currently in the market a for medium to long range rifle. max being about 1000-1200 yards.</div></div>
Damn. What do you consider long range? 4000 yards?
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
Go with the 5r remington 700 that leaves you around 800 for optics. check out the demo list at camera land usually can find a ziess on there reasonable
Go with the 5r remington 700 that leaves you around 800 for optics. check out the demo list at camera land usually can find a ziess on there reasonable
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
If you reload that opens the window a little, if you do not I would consider the .308. A good remington SPS Varmint and put in a new better stock or a 700P is nice.
Good Luck,
JamieD
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If you reload that opens the window a little, if you do not I would consider the .308. A good remington SPS Varmint and put in a new better stock or a 700P is nice.
Good Luck,
JamieD
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Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You do not need a magnum rifle for that range. A .308 or 30-06 would shoot that distance no problem. If you're not married to a .30 cal., there are better options than that. </div></div>
I'm open to suggestions. I've been researching the 260 rem as stated above. I originally wanted an sps varmint rifle with an aftermarket stock/chassis system. I want a 300win mag becuase the cost comparison to 308 is only a few bucks. I also just read that the military is converting the m24s to a 300wm. Like I said I'm open to suggestions and apprecieate. Any input. Oh.. I also wanna be reminded I'm shooting a "medium-long range" rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You do not need a magnum rifle for that range. A .308 or 30-06 would shoot that distance no problem. If you're not married to a .30 cal., there are better options than that. </div></div>
I'm open to suggestions. I've been researching the 260 rem as stated above. I originally wanted an sps varmint rifle with an aftermarket stock/chassis system. I want a 300win mag becuase the cost comparison to 308 is only a few bucks. I also just read that the military is converting the m24s to a 300wm. Like I said I'm open to suggestions and apprecieate. Any input. Oh.. I also wanna be reminded I'm shooting a "medium-long range" rifle
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You do not need a magnum rifle for that range. A .308 or 30-06 would shoot that distance no problem. If you're not married to a .30 cal., there are better options than that. </div></div>
I'm open to suggestions. I've been researching the 260 rem as stated above. I originally wanted an sps varmint rifle with an aftermarket stock/chassis system. I want a 300win mag becuase the cost comparison to 308 is only a few bucks. I also just read that the military is converting the m24s to a 300wm. Like I said I'm open to suggestions and apprecieate. Any input. Oh.. I also wanna be reminded I'm shooting a "medium-long range" rifle </div></div>
If you want a 300WM, get one. They are amazing rifles. Get a good brake for extended range sessions and it will recoil like a .243. I just think it's overkill for the ranges you stated... but it will kick just about anything else's ass in those ranges. My 300WM is devastating at 1000 yds. I can't tell you how many people have made their first hits at 1000 yds. with my rifle and then looked at me and said, "That was so easy." And it is. Which was part of my point of the .308 to .260 process. If you're not super proficient at your shooting form the 300WM is not going to help. The .308 would be a much better learning rifle... because it IS more challenging. But your choice...
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You do not need a magnum rifle for that range. A .308 or 30-06 would shoot that distance no problem. If you're not married to a .30 cal., there are better options than that. </div></div>
I'm open to suggestions. I've been researching the 260 rem as stated above. I originally wanted an sps varmint rifle with an aftermarket stock/chassis system. I want a 300win mag becuase the cost comparison to 308 is only a few bucks. I also just read that the military is converting the m24s to a 300wm. Like I said I'm open to suggestions and apprecieate. Any input. Oh.. I also wanna be reminded I'm shooting a "medium-long range" rifle </div></div>
If you want a 300WM, get one. They are amazing rifles. Get a good brake for extended range sessions and it will recoil like a .243. I just think it's overkill for the ranges you stated... but it will kick just about anything else's ass in those ranges. My 300WM is devastating at 1000 yds. I can't tell you how many people have made their first hits at 1000 yds. with my rifle and then looked at me and said, "That was so easy." And it is. Which was part of my point of the .308 to .260 process. If you're not super proficient at your shooting form the 300WM is not going to help. The .308 would be a much better learning rifle... because it IS more challenging. But your choice...
John
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want a 300win mag becuase the cost comparison to 308 is only a few bucks.</div></div>
for the rifle outright perhaps. but from an ammunition stand point no way. i'd suggest a non magnum (i like 30-06), since your on a pretty tight budget for the rifle im assuming you'll have a tight budget for ammunition. you'll get more trigger time for your money that way. But if you want a win mag, then get a win mag!
Look at savages, they're synonymous with budget and accuracy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stocksuspension</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want a 300win mag becuase the cost comparison to 308 is only a few bucks.</div></div>
for the rifle outright perhaps. but from an ammunition stand point no way. i'd suggest a non magnum (i like 30-06), since your on a pretty tight budget for the rifle im assuming you'll have a tight budget for ammunition. you'll get more trigger time for your money that way. But if you want a win mag, then get a win mag!
Look at savages, they're synonymous with budget and accuracy.
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
The .308 is ok and wont bust your bank account when it comes to components. Its a good round to learn on and is certainly forgiving in both wind reading, recoil and hand loading. Keep in mind a .308 wont push the BIG .30 cal projectiles like a .300winmag or .300wsm, BUT you can still learn MORE about wind reading by shooting tricky little 155 grainers and apply those skills later on down the track with other rifles.
If you dont give a rats a$$ about money, learning good ground rules and just want to shoot the most forgiving rifle (accuracy wise) at long ranges you really have a hard time beating a 7mm Berger 180 VLD... It flat out has half of the wind drift that a .308win has at 1000 yards and therefore means you have just halved the margin of error of the most difficult skill in long range shooting, which is wind estimation.
But thats another story for another day.
Nothing wrong with the .308win for a noobie trust me
The .308 is ok and wont bust your bank account when it comes to components. Its a good round to learn on and is certainly forgiving in both wind reading, recoil and hand loading. Keep in mind a .308 wont push the BIG .30 cal projectiles like a .300winmag or .300wsm, BUT you can still learn MORE about wind reading by shooting tricky little 155 grainers and apply those skills later on down the track with other rifles.
If you dont give a rats a$$ about money, learning good ground rules and just want to shoot the most forgiving rifle (accuracy wise) at long ranges you really have a hard time beating a 7mm Berger 180 VLD... It flat out has half of the wind drift that a .308win has at 1000 yards and therefore means you have just halved the margin of error of the most difficult skill in long range shooting, which is wind estimation.
But thats another story for another day.
Nothing wrong with the .308win for a noobie trust me
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
this what i initially had planned
700 sps varmint in .308 or 300wm but they dont make a 300
egw 20 moa base
burriss xtr rings
sswfa 16x42
the reason why i wanted an sps is because at some point i want to upgrade to a xlr/mcree chassis or maybe a manners stock.
i really want a 300wm in a heavy barrel but that basically puts at getting a "custom" barrel. should i just buy a remington action and have it rebarrelled? is that cost effective? Im willing to increase my budget if need be. or should i just consider a 700p in 300wm or lapua?
this what i initially had planned
700 sps varmint in .308 or 300wm but they dont make a 300
egw 20 moa base
burriss xtr rings
sswfa 16x42
the reason why i wanted an sps is because at some point i want to upgrade to a xlr/mcree chassis or maybe a manners stock.
i really want a 300wm in a heavy barrel but that basically puts at getting a "custom" barrel. should i just buy a remington action and have it rebarrelled? is that cost effective? Im willing to increase my budget if need be. or should i just consider a 700p in 300wm or lapua?
Re: help me choose a medium-long range rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$1700. t'aint much of a budget. Better to get a Remmy 700 in 308, for $600.ish, and leaving $1100 for bases rings and scope, then spending $1100 on a rifle, and leaving you in Barska territory.
You don't need a 300 mag to shoot to a max of 1000-1200 yds.
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well put. i bought my sps-v in .308 for like $550 ish back in the day. ive just been adding to it as i go. you can easily spend $1700 on a good scope, though you can get away with spending half as much and get by.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$1700. t'aint much of a budget. Better to get a Remmy 700 in 308, for $600.ish, and leaving $1100 for bases rings and scope, then spending $1100 on a rifle, and leaving you in Barska territory.
You don't need a 300 mag to shoot to a max of 1000-1200 yds.
</div></div>
well put. i bought my sps-v in .308 for like $550 ish back in the day. ive just been adding to it as i go. you can easily spend $1700 on a good scope, though you can get away with spending half as much and get by.
