Help provide answer to M25 question....

[pmclaine]

Got a question from a gentleman that is former USMC and does great things for the shooting community.

He asked me a question about Desert Storm M25s.....

Do you know what swivels were most commonly used on the M25 builds
during Desert Shield/Desert Storm timeline?


Anyone got an answer I can pass on to him?

 

[_Windrider_]

Probably whatever was on the M14 stock at the time of conversion. Just a guess.

 

[pmclaine]

Didnt the M25 use a McMillan, not issue stock?

 

[_Windrider_]

yeah it did, i guess its closer to the M21 then? i used my wiki foo but it doesn't get that specific on details.

 

[BangBangBlatBlat]

I have a gun being built on a Pre-1987 McMillan stock. I'll see if I can get some pictures for you.

 

[pmclaine]

I have a gun being built on a Pre-1987 McMillan stock. I'll see if I can get some pictures for you.

Thank you Im sure the party asking will appreciate that. I do.

 

[BangBangBlatBlat]

Thank you Im sure the party asking will appreciate that. I do.

To answer your question though. No pictures yet. Just in case I go to bed before I get them.

"Issue M14 with weld modification. In standard location. Weld tin strip that holds swivel. Tight sling pulls them apart."

I would bet that was more or less standard for the M25s as well. They were basically M14NMs with scopes. Some had the special block and some didn't.

 

[CRT2]

Found this. Initially, the XM25 rifle did not mount a bipod and it was fitted with a 10th Special Forces Group made scope mount. But as adopted, the XM25 design specification required the rifle to have a synthetic material stock, a medium weight match grade barrel, Harris bipod and the following Brookfield Precision Tool parts: steel stock liner, operating rod spring guide, scope mount, and titanium nitride coated gas piston. Brookfield Precision Tool parts were not assigned National Stock Numbers. The Brookfield Precision Tool gas piston is coated with titanium nitride on the larger cylindrical diameter but not on the smaller diameter portion. Various Harris Bipod models were employed by Special Forces operators but over time the notched-leg swiveling bench rest height model was the typical bipod found on U. S. Army issue M25 rifles. A bipod was not always used in the field with the M25 rifle. Often, the M25 rifle was steadied with a ruck sack or a sock containing a plastic bag filled with cooked popcorn for making the shot. The side three point scope mount and gas piston titanium nitride coating employed in the XM25 were innovative developments.

https://m14forum.com/m14/8791-navy-m25-sniper-specifications.html

 

[pmclaine]

Thank you for the replies.

You are helping the questioner much, I've alerted him to follow these threads for the info he is seeking.

 

[BangBangBlatBlat]

There's what it looks like.

 

[pmclaine]

Thanks for the help I think the person I was trying to help may have his answers.

He is a former Marine Gunny that now runs a business making sweet 1907 slings for civilian as well as .mil use.

He was in turn helping someone that is doing a documented build for an article and wants to get it right.

 

[BangBangBlatBlat]

Thanks for the help I think the person I was trying to help may have his answers.

He is a former Marine Gunny that now runs a business making sweet 1907 slings for civilian as well as .mil use.

He was in turn helping someone that is doing a documented build for an article and wants to get it right.

I have a feeling that I talked to the same guy at some point.

 

[pmclaine]

I have a feeling that I talked to the same guy at some point.

I like what he does for the community and his gear has supplied guys that need serviceable gear.

Happy if I could help in any small way I can.

 

[Random Guy]

The two co-inventor's of the XM25 circa late 1980s are generally to be considered, SOTIC instructor Tom Kapp (RIP) , and BPT owner Mitch Mateiko. There was 'flexibility' regarding configuration details on the XM25 and M25 rifles, but here's what I know:

Here's Mitch with the prototype XM25 circa 1988 (Ft. Devens, MA):

Below is his personal XM25 built on a McMillan M2A stock, along with the unique BPT-made backing plate for the front slign swivel and bipod stud. As was often done on NM M14s, two small welds were added to the swivel to keep it from bending open under an extreme tight sling hold. (Note: the below part is what I got from him in 2017. The swivel I got did not have the two small welds.): I hope that helps:

 

[03duce]

Hey BANGBANG,any interest in selling a couple of those front NM swivels,i could use them for a couple builds im working on.Thanks

 

[pmclaine]

Hey BANGBANG,any interest in selling a couple of those front NM swivels,i could use them for a couple builds im working on.Thanks

You might check with @Tucker301 if he left a forwarding address.

Bang knew his guns but was likely Peter Sztrock coming here because he has a lot of time on his hands now and neither his wife or Lisa Page want anything to do with him.