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Hunting & Fishing Help with packs.

Redandwhite_72

Redandwhite_72

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#1
I know there was a topic a couple days ago about packs. I have a little different question about packs. First off I'm 6'4" or so tall and I weigh 165-170 depending on if I'm getting ready for elk camp or not. So my question is, which pack do you guys recommend for my size build? I have the bass pro spike camp pack. It fits well but it's way too big. I'm needing something in the 3500-4000 cubic inch range I think. I have a kelty frame pack but it's not comfortable. I don't know if it's not the correct size frame for me and that's why it's uncomfortable or what. I'd like to have a pack for a built in scabbard like the eberlestock or molle webbing to attach a rifle to. But I'm not sure if any of them will sit up high enough on my back to carry comfortably. I really hate to buy a $500 pack and it not fit right or not be comfortable. Any insight you guys could give would be much appreciated.


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#2
The Mystery Ranch Nice frame looks very adjustable to fit the user and a good place to start for customizing what you need to meet your carry needs. Incorporate an Eberlestock or other manufacturers scabbard in to whatever you choose for your hauling pack.

I do not have a Mystery Ranch only the desire to own one.

I recently bought a pack with onboard rifle storage. My intent was to use the pack mainly as a range bag for hauling rifle, tripod, spotter and other gear in one neat package on the backseat of my vehicle. If I was actually humping the gear I would have went with something different than what I have and I dont think the rifle would actually be hard packed while in the field. More often it would be in my hands or quick lashed to my pack when I need to use both hands.

Just one guys opinion to consider.
 
#3
If your talking in the 500.00 range I think you should check out Kifaru. The quality is tip top notch in my view without question in my view. I have been using Patrick Smith products for I think (Patrick Smith of Mountain Smith of the past) nearly 30 years now and the durability is as good as it gets. I have a Mountain Shelter I have used for a long long time that needed some minor repairs (mostly from me tripping over the guy lines) and doing research found Kifaru sent it to them and they did the repairs free of charge. They have a new pack only out for a couple of months I will be getting this year if I can swing it. Called the Nomad it works in numerous ways to carry different kinds of loads and they make the scabbard that works with it. Prices will add up but if your considering good quality you get what you pay for here. Also I have no doubt if you call them they will guide you through the process of getting a pack that fits perfect.
Bill
PS they have a huge amount of videos showing how to use there products, link below.
One last thing for now MADE IN THE UNITED STATES


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#4
I like Badlands packs. For a 2000-3000ci pack, look at the "2200" at 2250ci, carries a gun or bow, and only about $240. I love mine, but I am no where near your size. I am 5'7" and 155#. They are quite adjustable though. Mine seems a touch big but fits well for hauling a significant amount of gear around for a day trip.
 
#5
The mystery ranch packs and the kifaru packs look real nice. I just don't know that I want to spend that much on something I can't try on or look at before I buy.

The badlands packs are to small. I stuffed my gear into my brother n laws 3100 kelty pack and it was full. I didn't even have a days food or water or ammo in it.


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#6
Find an rei near you (or other backpacking specialty store) and get proper
Y fitted for a pack. Even if you don't buy one there, you will have some measurements to work with.
 
#7
Haven't had experience with Kifaru packs but I can tell you with 100% confidence that Mystery Ranch will not lead you wrong! Do your research and pick the right one, even the ones without the NICE frame system are very adaptable and comfortable.
 
#9
Oh if you go with MR get a Large size yoke or frame and an appropriate belt... I don't know if they offer that option when ordering online but if you call or email they will make it happen
 
#11
Yeah the yoke style is a lot less forgiving if your trying to use a smaller size the NICE isn't as bad but I always recommend go up not down if your on the line. Waist size really doesn't matter think about what your going to be wearing it over (ie Coat, Belts, things like that) no matter what it will close its just how much extra there is
 
#12
Another vote for Kifaru. I have their Koala and it is outstanding. I am looking at the EMR2 with their gun hauler for an Elk hunt this fall. Not quite sure the EMR2 is correct bag but if not I am 100%+ that Kifaru will steer me in the right direction.
 
#13
Go kifaru and don't look back. They take your torso length measurement and waist size. I've done a fair amount of archery elk and deer back pack hunting in the high country. Once I got my kifaru it was the most comfortable pack I had worn and I has top of the line Gregory's, Eberlestocks, etc. I've since changed out models multiple times and added to the collection for various features but the comfort of all my kifaru packs has yet to disappoint. Currently running a timberline 2 and am very happy but admit to being tempted by their new nomad pack. Batwing packs are extremely modular but I haven't decided if it has the edge in quick accessibility over my timberline. Good luck in your search.



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#14
I carried a top-loading pack with the Corps for 22 years. I like the zip down style ruck for easier access to equipment. Strong vote for Kifaru... I have a Navigator I carried all over the sandbox. Send your measurements and get the custom Kifaru pack and never buy again...Buy the pull-out pouches as well.
 
#16
Do you guys do any hiking or anything with your packs other than 1 hunt a year? I'm trying to decide if I can justify that nice of a pack for 1 hunt a year or every other year. I know something like that shouldn't be a place to skimp, just not sure 1 time a year is enough.


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#17
I back pack and scout through the summer with mine. But they are still worth it for one trip a year. Especially if you really are putting the miles on and carrying camp or meat out. You will be happy at that point in time. If you decide it isn't for you it's easy to sell kifaru packs and not be out much money.


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#18
I guess I'm just going to have to do some more research and try and figure it out. If it comes down to it, I'll just tell my wife I have to get the kifaru because all you guys said I had too. Lol :) thanks everyone.


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#19
Just pick up a USMC ILBE pack off ebay or some online surplus. Basically an American made Arctryx pack and can be had for an extreme bargain as long as it in MARPAT. They were phased out because not compatible with body armor.
 
#20
As the OPs question about if we use it for anything other than hunting. Due to where I hunt I rarely use the rifle carry options on my MR but I get out usually once a year for a week long camping trip with NICE Metcalf, I go on countless long hikes and over nights along with long training hikes with my 3 day assault pack. Oh yeah and for 5 months every year 16 hour days with 60+ pounds I carry one of their fire packs. I've had the 3 day since I was in the Corps the Metcalf since shortly after and this year will be my 6th year with their fire packs... Call me a fan boy but I've put them through the ringer and their still kickin and regardless of price I will buy nothing else!
 
#21
Flying Goose said:
As the OPs question about if we use it for anything other than hunting. Due to where I hunt I rarely use the rifle carry options on my MR but I get out usually once a year for a week long camping trip with NICE Metcalf, I go on countless long hikes and over nights along with long training hikes with my 3 day assault pack. Oh yeah and for 5 months every year 16 hour days with 60+ pounds I carry one of their fire packs. I've had the 3 day since I was in the Corps the Metcalf since shortly after and this year will be my 6th year with their fire packs... Call me a fan boy but I've put them through the ringer and their still kickin and regardless of price I will buy nothing else!
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On your metcalf, is it 3600 cu in in the main bag and 4500 cu in with the daypack lid? Have you ever packed out meat with it? Did you do it like they show it in the picture on their website? Looks like it'd have too much weight on the bottom on the pack and want to pull you backwards.


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#22
I think thats how it works the lid is HUGE! No I have never packed out meat with it as I have a private ranch that I hunt on (family's) so we always have 4 wheelers or a pickup within reach. I would agree that the way they present it, it does look awkward. If your looking for something to carry big loads check out the crew cab I know you loose a lot of interior storage but I've carried MK 3 pumps in it about 60# dry without any hose or fittings and its very comfortable. I know a lot of guys who have the crew cab for the purpose of meat and trophy packing.

The major upside to getting something like the crew cab is that you can use the NICE frame for something like the metcalf in the future and pay SIGNIFICANTLY less for the second pack. Hope this helps!
 
#26
sharfshutz762 said:
Thats a lot of money to be spent on a pack thats only to be used once a year.
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Yes it is. If it would hold up the way they say they do and are really that comfortable it'd probably be worth it. The good part about it is I could buy the frame now and I could by the bag to go on it later. I have a year and a half before our next elk trip. They are going to alaska this year so no elk trip.


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#28
Redandwhite_72 said:
I know there was a topic a couple days ago about packs. I have a little different question about packs. First off I'm 6'4" or so tall and I weigh 165-170 depending on if I'm getting ready for elk camp or not. So my question is, which pack do you guys recommend for my size build? I have the bass pro spike camp pack. It fits well but it's way too big. I'm needing something in the 3500-4000 cubic inch range I think. I have a kelty frame pack but it's not comfortable. I don't know if it's not the correct size frame for me and that's why it's uncomfortable or what. I'd like to have a pack for a built in scabbard like the eberlestock or molle webbing to attach a rifle to. But I'm not sure if any of them will sit up high enough on my back to carry comfortably. I really hate to buy a $500 pack and it not fit right or not be comfortable. Any insight you guys could give would be much appreciated.


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Your body will require a pack that the pack body is one size, the frame another size and the waist belt a different size. This is not easy ordering from the interweb that is compounded by asking on the interweb for help. One pack does not fit everyone but asking for recommendations on the web, this is what you get. 90% of pack end users have a pack that does not fit them correctly. Most buy on the hang tag not how he pack fits but again, they do not know this only that this hang tag is used by, recommended by, etc so I have one and recommend it too.

90% of the places that sell packs have no idea on how to correctly fit a pack. But, at least the good shops and very these days should have different size frames and waist belts and trim so the pack can be configured to see how it fits. Yes, some companies will allow the user to order different size frame and belt but again, if you do not know exactly how a pack is suppose to fit, you can still order or use the wrong size. If the shop has to bend the frame, then an ill fitting pack is being manipulated to fit. Only minor adjustments should be made but I know, customers want this hang tag so make it fit when its not correct...its all about the tag.

If any one tells you that this pack will carry 90# like its 45# does not have a clue. Around 60# it gets heavy and uncomfortable no matter the hang tag but many will say different.

What Kelty do you have? The Bass Pro pack will work yes but you can do better.

Toting a firearm inside or on a pack to me is not a prerequisite for a good pack. I want my rifle at the ready at all times and only if scrambling, lash it to my pack but this desire to tote a firearm in a pack has grown to be needed, real or not its there. Rifle can be lashed to any pack, no need for PALS/MOLLE or a scabbard. This has been done for decades with great success.

McHale is the premier pack, no argument can be made otherwise.

First before looking for a pack, what type of use will it be subject to since no one asked.
Easy terrain, moderate terrain, off trail scramble, serious terrain?
Solo?
Backpack hunt in the backcountry, bush, alpine or hike to a cabin?
How far do you plan to carry?
How many days?
How do you pack meat? Bone or boned, cut to 1/5s or more, hide, hair, horns?


Flying Goose said:
Waist size really doesn't matter think about what your going to be wearing it over (ie Coat, Belts, things like that) no matter what it will close its just how much extra there is
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I will politely disagree, there is a correct sized belt that fits the body for each pack with built in adjustment for clothing etc. A correct size waist belt will transfer weight with optimum performance.



Redandwhite_72 said:
Do you guys do any hiking or anything with your packs other than 1 hunt a year? I'm trying to decide if I can justify that nice of a pack for 1 hunt a year or every other year. I know something like that shouldn't be a place to skimp, just not sure 1 time a year is enough.


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I am old and out of shape now but up 2004 or so, I had 2-3 days a week per year with a pack on and 4-6 trips a year around 2 weeks. My favorite pack since mid 1980s has been the WildThings Andinista. Mine have been just about everywhere and done plenty. I have carried well over 100# but these packs are not for everyone but those who like extreme gear for extreme terrain in extreme climates. Carry 44 and now 454 on my chest, 12ga some times, rifle during the hunt but I want them in my hands or shoulder rigged.




Redandwhite_72 said:
Yes it is. If it would hold up the way they say they do and are really that comfortable it'd probably be worth it. The good part about it is I could buy the frame now and I could by the bag to go on it later. I have a year and a half before our next elk trip. They are going to alaska this year so no elk trip.


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Alaska....who is and when are they and where to for what hunt?

You have time but I suggest you get the pack early and start using it to find the hits and get use to carrying the pack. With some beta I can help steer but I cannot recommend a pack other than McHale because I am not fitting it to you while you are in the shop.

good luck
 
#29
45.308 said:
What Kelty do you have?

First before looking for a pack, what type of use will it be subject to since no one asked.
Easy terrain, moderate terrain, off trail scramble, serious terrain?
Solo?
Backpack hunt in the backcountry, bush, alpine or hike to a cabin?
How far do you plan to carry?
How many days?
How do you pack meat? Bone or boned, cut to 1/5s or more, hide, hair, horns?
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The kelty is a trekker. The main use is elk hunting. As far as terrain, I'd say easy to moderate. We him hike a dirt bike trail around half way then beat the brush and game trails the rest of the way.

Not solo. There is 3-5 of use that go. It's just day hikes from camp, around a mile and a half each way. Usually with around 40-50lbs of gear including rifle.

We pack the animals both bone and boned. Rear quarters and front shoulders with bone then backstraps, neck meat, etc boned. Horns, yes. Rarely hide too.

The reason I'd like to have a way to strap my gun is because we hike in, in the dark and we hike out in the dark. I guess there'd be a chance of running into a bear. But there's also 2-4 other guys carrying rifles in hand or shouldered.

As far as their alaska trip, it's my uncle, cousin, cousins father in law, and somebody he's related to. I'm not really sure where they are going. I do know they are doing an unguided moose, float hunt through Willow Air.

Is there somewhere you could recommend that would fit a pack correctly? We just got an REI in Kansas City. But they just opened not long ago. Chances are it's all high school kids working there that don't know what they are doing either.
 
#30
I will politely disagree, there is a correct sized belt that fits the body for each pack with built in adjustment for clothing etc. A correct size waist belt will transfer weight with optimum performance.

your taking my comment out of context as the OP is in between sizes for waist belt I wasn't saying that the size belt did not matter, I was saying that he would be fine going to the smaller or larger depending upon what he was going to be wearing the pack on the most. MR specifically gives a couple inches high or low from their recommended sizes for this reason.

However what you say about the belt supporting is spot on!
 
#32
Redandwhite_72 said:
The kelty is a trekker. The main use is elk hunting. As far as terrain, I'd say easy to moderate. We him hike a dirt bike trail around half way then beat the brush and game trails the rest of the way.

Not solo. There is 3-5 of use that go. It's just day hikes from camp, around a mile and a half each way. Usually with around 40-50lbs of gear including rifle.

We pack the animals both bone and boned. Rear quarters and front shoulders with bone then backstraps, neck meat, etc boned. Horns, yes. Rarely hide too.

The reason I'd like to have a way to strap my gun is because we hike in, in the dark and we hike out in the dark. I guess there'd be a chance of running into a bear. But there's also 2-4 other guys carrying rifles in hand or shouldered.

As far as their alaska trip, it's my uncle, cousin, cousins father in law, and somebody he's related to. I'm not really sure where they are going. I do know they are doing an unguided moose, float hunt through Willow Air.

Is there somewhere you could recommend that would fit a pack correctly? We just got an REI in Kansas City. But they just opened not long ago. Chances are it's all high school kids working there that don't know what they are doing either.
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I would use a freighter type frame pack just get a better fit. Unless you have the coin and it sounds like you have reservations about 5 bills for a pack. To me, no need to drop coin on a high dollar pack to hike moderate easy terrain with 50# a couple miles a day, a freighters frame will serve you best in performance and cost. I have a coat hook drilled and bolted on the frame to hook my rifle sling on and then lash the butt to the frame.

Cant say for sure but a kid at REI should help you better than the interweb as they should have some actual training on pack fitting and not regurgitate buy this hang tag and most likely have never worked in a shop fitting packs. But anyway, at least you can try on packs with weight in them, walk around and see how they fit, ask for adjustment so you get some feedback on the pack not just a recommendation of buy this hang tag. If you have time, ask several different employees to fit the pack. After a few packs with weight, you should be able to have some idea on good fit compared to your Kelty.

good luck
 
#33
45.308 said:
I would use a freighter type frame pack just get a better fit. Unless you have the coin and it sounds like you have reservations about 5 bills for a pack. To me, no need to drop coin on a high dollar pack to hike moderate easy terrain with 50# a couple miles a day, a freighters frame will serve you best in performance and cost. I have a coat hook drilled and bolted on the frame to hook my rifle sling on and then lash the butt to the frame.

Cant say for sure but a kid at REI should help you better than the interweb as they should have some actual training on pack fitting and not regurgitate buy this hang tag and most likely have never worked in a shop fitting packs. But anyway, at least you can try on packs with weight in them, walk around and see how they fit, ask for adjustment so you get some feedback on the pack not just a recommendation of buy this hang tag. If you have time, ask several different employees to fit the pack. After a few packs with weight, you should be able to have some idea on good fit compared to your Kelty.

good luck
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Thanks for your help. I'll give them a shot.


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#34
Another vote to look into a Kifaru pack, and the Bikini frame in particular.
I upgraded to a Bikini and opted for the 4800ci Highcamp bag. Trained with it all spring /summer hauling heavy loads, and that frame proved to be very comfortable. With a few medium pouches added to the HC bag, I hunted the CO backcountry for 8days and that combo & carried my camp, kit, food inside the pack. Strapped my bow to the outside...
Cool thing about the Bikini frame is that you can swap out whatever sized Kifaru bag you need for the task. I even have a few Hill People Gear bags that pair up with the Bikini frame. The Bikini's 'power pull' belt system is excellent for snugging down a heavy load, and the load lifters function beautifully.
Check them out, call Aaron and he will get you sized up correctly. Being as tall as you are, you might need a custom frame...maybe with 28" stays? I'm 6'1", and have a 26" Bikini frame...
Good luck!
 
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