Training Courses High angle classes?
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It would be nice to know of any on the east coast.
Here were a few I had bookmarked, all out west:
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Sawtooth Rifles Precision Hunters Clinic Rock Lake Rifle Range, St. John, Washington Rack and Reel, Twin Bridges, Montana Q-Creek Ranch, Mills, Wyoming T his course focuses on building a foundation...
www.sawtoothrifles.com
Deliberate Dynamics (DDI)
DDI is a veteran-owned tactical company that specializes in premium gear & equipment for law enforcement, military, and government contractors.
deliberatedynamics.com
High Angle Rifle Training (HART) - Thunder Ranch
HART is the next step in the precision rifle series that stretches the reach of the of the shooter with their rifle. YOU MUST BE PHYSICALLY FIT AND CAPABLE to hike at high altitude for extended periods of time carrying your own rifle, ammo, gear, and water for the day. Most packs weigh at...
thunderranchinc.com
Rifles Only has offered high angle classes in CO in the past during the summer months. I have never been to that particular class, but have been to the PRS1/PRS2 week long class and it was great!
Sounds more and more like ill have to travel west. Was hoping i just didn't know how to use google for my lack of results on the east.
Precision Rifle With Elevated Shooting - GTI Legion
Precision Rifle With Elevated Shooting course extends the precision rifle course a second day which is spent on high angle shooting from our 135 foot tower.
gtilegion.com
check this out going this Nov for a comp there
Hi,
Are you looking for more of a mountain/distance style high angle course or more of a close distance urban style high angle course?
Sincerely,
Theis
Are you looking for more of a mountain/distance style high angle course or more of a close distance urban style high angle course?
Sincerely,
Theis
That's the real question. If you want mountain, either Scott Satterlee or Bryan Morgan would be my suggestion. Scott's run some open enrollment stuff at Hat Creek (Bryan's new facility), and Bryan is planning an open enrollment class for next year, I think. if you want wind and angles, Hat Creek is definitely the place to go.
Honestly both interest me. Would likely do at least one of each.
And thanks for the GTI link. Going to look into them.
Hi,
For mountain/distance genre you are going to have to more than likely head out West region.
Not many courses will "publicly" offer anything over a 40 degree incline/decline, so just be aware of that.
Mountain Shooting Center advertises a 50 degree and has more distance than can be used for shoulder fired weapon systems:
www.mountainshootingcenter.com
The Urban genre course is going to possibly be more difficult for you; as most of them are kept to credentialed students (You may be credentialed though).
A good one on the East Coast (Sorta) side of the USA is Guardian Centers:
guardiancenters.com
Sincerely,
Theis
For mountain/distance genre you are going to have to more than likely head out West region.
Not many courses will "publicly" offer anything over a 40 degree incline/decline, so just be aware of that.
Mountain Shooting Center advertises a 50 degree and has more distance than can be used for shoulder fired weapon systems:
HOME - Mountain Shooting Center
Mountain Shooting Center (MSC) is a high altitude, long range shooting complex designed for the training of all advanced Shooter's and also military snipers
www.mountainshootingcenter.com
The Urban genre course is going to possibly be more difficult for you; as most of them are kept to credentialed students (You may be credentialed though).
A good one on the East Coast (Sorta) side of the USA is Guardian Centers:
Disaster Preparedness and Tactical Training Center
Guardian Centers provides custom services that include complete exercise design and planning, training and certification, and full service logistics support.
guardiancenters.com
Sincerely,
Theis
Just like the "top secret" loophole shooting technique, this shit is just math: ballistics and trigonometry.
We have all the tools necessary to figure this stuff out without being "credentialed".
There are no LE/mil "secrets" in this game. Just have to think things through then be creative in the field to validate.
We have all the tools necessary to figure this stuff out without being "credentialed".
There are no LE/mil "secrets" in this game. Just have to think things through then be creative in the field to validate.
Here's your four-story urban high angle shooting simulator, available at your nearest equipment rental center..........
Dont think i haven't been bugging the MDs here to do that haha. Was talking to my buddies the other day how they should use one and fuck a lot of people up.
I can figure everything out and understand the concepts...but i just have no opportunity to shoot at a venue with that type to get my hands dirty in it. Thats my dilemma and why im searching for a class.
I can figure everything out and understand the concepts...but i just have no opportunity to shoot at a venue with that type to get my hands dirty in it. Thats my dilemma and why im searching for a class.
Sawtooth Rifles is having a High Angle Hunters Clinic down at Bryan Morgan's (Hat Creek Training) place in Idaho at the end of August.
Scott Satterlee is the lead instructor.
Food and Lodging is included with the price. Not cheap, but I heard it's a one of a kind place to shoot out there
http://www.sawtoothrifles.com/store/p28/HAHC.html
Scott Satterlee is the lead instructor.
Food and Lodging is included with the price. Not cheap, but I heard it's a one of a kind place to shoot out there
http://www.sawtoothrifles.com/store/p28/HAHC.html
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I'll talk to Academy about doing something maybe.
There's 800yds in the quarry, it's about 70-80 feet up don't see why we can't rent a scissor lift and get the extra height.
That'd be in Connecticut so, no AR's unless you're special.
If that's something you'd be interested in - Let me know.
There's 800yds in the quarry, it's about 70-80 feet up don't see why we can't rent a scissor lift and get the extra height.
That'd be in Connecticut so, no AR's unless you're special.
If that's something you'd be interested in - Let me know.
No, the lodging is an extra $200 on that link. On top of the $580/day for the class. Does look like a nice area to shoot though.
Head out to Max Ordinate for their high angle and mountain classes...1 day each and run back-to-back. Facility is crazy good with distances out to 1 mile. Down angle, up angle, you name it. You won’t be bummed. I know it may be a pain and a little pricey to travel from the east coast, but it is so worth it.
Going to shop around. Seems the best choices are West Coast.
Now to convince the wife we need a week vacation somewhere West
Now to convince the wife we need a week vacation somewhere West
Hi,
Well to be fair....Ward and his companies Mountain Shooting Center and Sniper Tools are pretty well known.
Sincerely,
Theis
Here's your four-story urban high angle shooting simulator, available at your nearest equipment rental center..........
That's actually a great idea, though I'd be sure to get the largest one like that with the all terrain wheels. It'll be safer and more stable.
But with this you can control the height and depending on distance and terrain it should do all but the most extreme angles at long distances.
Now I studied math at university, I'm not recommending anyone go through several years of calculus. What I am recommending though, if you're truly interested in shooting and have time to go to a school, is to enroll at any local CC and take 3 courses: Trig 1 and 2 (at least 1) and Newtonian mechanics 101. You could take one class at a time, that's only one hour per day probably 3 days a week. A solid understanding of algebra is required for all three and I'd take the trig before the physics (any higher level of physics will require calculus). I have to admit I learned more about ballistics and shooting in general from those three classes. At the end of the day, physics is physics and trig is trig and shooting depends on the first two.
Finally, on my .50 rifle, I have a cosine indicator that gives me the cosine value based on angle of my rifle. Basically that's multiplied by the distance to yield the modified distance. That's it, it's that easy. I think it's overpriced as fuck, but it's a handy tool (it's damn near $2-300 for the milspec one mounted to a Badger ring --and I'd definitely get the milspec one here). Wind and other shit is determined as usual. There may be other atmospheric conditions to consider, such as altitude differences and it's effects on temperature and pressure, but think of 'em as like spin drift --you probably aren't bothering with the calculation anyway.
There are cheats to the math you can learn, but there is no substitute for the sheer understanding, no shortcut.
Just something to consider...
Yes sir, one of the advantages of having an engineering degree that is heavily based on mechanical engineering classes is that all that shit and more was covered in school and the textbooks are freely available in case a refresher is needed.
Solving these problems is not a trivial exercise but neither it is the super secret ultra difficult shit that some in the mil/LE side of this hobby make it out to be.
Here are some photos from the High Angle class over at Max Ordinate in Southern California. Some of the angles are pretty darn steep, with shooting both down into canyons and up OUT of canyons.
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0CE2DC7D-A409-4D41-BA9B-46536F1C630F by Paul SD, on Flickr
IMG_4310 by Paul SD, on Flickr
E14F0318-AD40-4E06-B21C-C62201C2E9AD by Paul SD, on Flickr
7070221F-825D-48A3-9EB4-709A5BF3470E by Paul SD, on Flickr
20AC45AD-A739-4175-BE35-18E55D79C854 by Paul SD, on Flickr0CE2DC7D-A409-4D41-BA9B-46536F1C630F by Paul SD, on FlickrIMG_4310 by Paul SD, on FlickrE14F0318-AD40-4E06-B21C-C62201C2E9AD by Paul SD, on Flickr7070221F-825D-48A3-9EB4-709A5BF3470E by Paul SD, on Flickr
Per above, I would recommend anything you can get into at Hat Creek.
Max Ordnance has been doing good instruction in great locations also.
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Max Ordnance has been doing good instruction in great locations also.
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Im a mechanical engineer so i got a healthy dose of math/physics/etc lol.
Sorry guys i stopped getting notifications on this thread for some reason, though it was dead.
Turns out the wife wants to visit some family in Arizona or a friend in Colorado so im digging deeper into the courses in those areas.
High angle will tickle my fancy but dangling on a sheer mountain by a rope does not lol. Id likely do it for the gram but id enjoy that class less due to all the pants ill have to throw away after.
The rope work in the Rifles Only High Angle is only with the special operations military groups that train here. We try to keep the civilian classes firmly on the ground; but being in shape to haul your gear up and down game trails in the mountains is a requirement.
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