Hillary and the emails again.....

[idahoorion]

so splain it to me...... she posts all the emails on the insecure server, including the "secret" ones......obviously a crime... and the chi-coms hack it. and have it all.

yet, little Jeffy (or anybody else) doesn't call her on it and worse. Our vaunted FBI knows all this and clears her. The crime is multiple felonies, and the FBI cover up is worse!

so what is it going to take for the rule of law to be reinstated in the US?

Idahoorion

 

[ArmyJerry]

he is in on it, a pure scumbag swampian.

 

[Spblademaker]

It’s not a hack if they paid for it.

 

[thejeep]

Sold uranium. Needs to be hanged.

 

[thejeep]

It would be like that time we hung the elephant in TN.

 

[Nik H]

so what is it going to take for the rule of law to be reinstated in the US?

Idahoorion

There are potentially too many catalysts to think about and actually be accurate.

1. The outcome of Mueller's investigation as it is a complete farce
2. Dems taking back Congress and trying to impeach a legitimately elected President.
3. Unforeseen collapse in the economy due to war or manipulation by the power brokers

I can go on and on. All you can do is prepare better, buy more ammo, BUY SPARE PARTS and make popcorn and watch the show unfold.

 

[idahoorion]

yah, but there might be a intermediate step.....raising hell to show that status quo won't cut it. WTF is Sessions doing.? does he need to draw him a picture or are we past that.

Buying more ammo....a given.

Idahoorion

 

[RNWRKNP]

They had an opportunity to get right with the American people.......and they doubled down on deceit for the ‘good of the American people’ cuz we’re too stupid to think for ourselves. She’s not in jail cuz there’s a long list of others that would keep her company if that outcome came to fruition. Gonna be an interesting thanksgiving and our female combat pilot is looking good against the Prada socialist? Just sayin.....

 

[jungle45]

Teflon Hillary, bitch should be in a striped pants suit!!!

 

[sharac]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/08/28/according-to-the-new-york-times-putin-rules-america/

 

[pmclaine]

She set up an email server that automatically filtered out any emails that were marked for any degree of confidentiality with the proper headers and whatnot. Some emails were improperly marked and got through to that server.

The reported hack is unconfirmed, but is certainly possible.

The relevant law that was broken would likely not apply because she didn't intentionally put classified documents on the he unclassified server. If it was a crime to accidentally receive classified documents then the government could mail you someone's SRB (classified as confidential) or a 2011 map showing a patrol base in Afghanistan, and hen charge you with a felony for receiving it. The FBI reviewed the relevant section and decided that the best case scenario still resulted in an overturned conviction and a review court striking parts of the Act for vaguity, and decided that it was not in the best interest of the People to litigate a very expensive case that results in nothing but great expense.

That's the timeline.

That's the dumbest argument for her non illegality.

1st the records act is pretty clear.

2nd in your scenarios someone has to commit a crime in order to create the crime. I'm guessing you think Adam Lanza mom killed those kids in Newtown and poor Adam was innocent.

3rd I'm guessing you have no clue about the criminal term "negligence" - knew or should have known. Hillary is the smartest, most prepared, most competent, greatest human being in the world according to your ilk.........she knew or should have known.......or........she was really, really dumb in which case that needs to be news.............or...........as I believe she was a criminal elite that held herself above the law.

 

[pmclaine]

It would be like that time we hung the elephant in TN.

Was the elephant hung well?

 

[ArmyJerry]

you mean the Chinese set up her email to filter out any classified emails in real time. Got it.

She set up an email server that automatically filtered out any emails that were marked for any degree of confidentiality with the proper headers and whatnot. Some emails were improperly marked and got through to that server.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

I saw on the news this morning that as many as 20 CIA informants in China have been murdered do to what the Chicoms learned from Hillary's server.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

Was the elephant hung well?

Or, was it well hung?

 

[pmclaine]

I saw on the news this morning that as many as 20 CIA informants in China have been murdered do to what the Chicoms learned from Hillary's server.

Mere anecdotes according to BBB and Avicookoo.

Remember Trump banged a whore.

 

[johnnycat]

I saw on the news this morning that as many as 20 CIA informants in China have been murdered do to what the Chicoms learned from Hillary's server.

Hard to tell if that is bad these days. Whose side is the CIA and FBI on?

 

[FS1]

Hard to tell if that is bad these days. Whose side is the CIA and FBI on?

Not ours apparently.

 

[thejeep]

Was the elephant hung well?

From wikipedia:

The elephant was hanged by the neck from a railcar-mounted industrial crane between four o'clock and five o'clock that evening.[7] The first attempt resulted in a snapped chain, causing Mary to fall and break her hip as dozens of children fled in terror. The severely wounded elephant died during a second attempt and was buried beside the tracks.


Skookum as the elephant was female I'd assume the camel toe was approximately the same size as Hill's.

 

[pmclaine]

Okay. Cite the relevant portion of the act. I'll wait.

Sending an email without the proper headers is a violation, is it not? Just the way that writing 1125 instead of 1225 on the address you mail a classified document to is, right?

But I'm sure you're more eof an expert on the law than the FBI's legal team, right? And it's totally iust that Sessions is asleep and that's why he didn't do anything about it either, right? Damn deep state, tricking Sessions into forgetting to lock up Hillary Clinton!

Dude I'm not even going to Google any federal legalize to appease you.

I will say that I spent a period of my life walking around Embassies after hours searching desks, personal spaces and pulling safe/secure space doors looking for anything that even smelled of "Sensitive" and woe to the person that controlled an area a document was discovered in.

Everyone in govt receives extensive classes on FOIA and memorializing communications even if unclassified. If you handle classified you get additional boring ass classes about the rules and regs and they all ended with "you will go to jail" in reference to fucking it up.

Go piss up a rope.

 

[sharac]

But I'm sure you're more eof an expert on the law than the FBI's legal team, right?

As far as i understand its not so much problem of them being an experts its more of a loyalty and Oath problem. The concept of which i'm sure completely eludes you.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

From wikipedia:

The elephant was hanged by the neck from a railcar-mounted industrial crane between four o'clock and five o'clock that evening.[7] The first attempt resulted in a snapped chain, causing Mary to fall and break her hip as dozens of children fled in terror. The severely wounded elephant died during a second attempt and was buried beside the tracks.


Skookum as the elephant was female I'd assume the camel toe was approximately the same size as Hill's.

 

[BangBangBlatBlat]

The Daily Caller isn't a news source. Of course the right wing echo chamber takes made up bullshit and runs with it as per usual. It's just another in a long list of hoaxes.

 

[quietmike]

Okay. Cite the relevant portion of the act. I'll wait.

18 USC 793 subsection f
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

 

[FS1]

The Daily Caller isn't a news source. Of course the right wing echo chamber takes made up bullshit and runs with it as per usual. It's just another in a long list of hoaxes.

Interesting...you and Avi are delluded by the scent of Hillarys Va j j. Seems to me everything the Democrats have been saying for two years has been proven false. Yet everything that Trump has said over time has been proven correct. I'll wait for the end game. Oh and I feel bad about how much I will enjoy your twisted reactions when the truth is known. But not that bad.

P.S. I am also waiting for Obama and Hillary to say it was an approved covert intel op to send dis-info to the Chinese. They will say Hillary is a Patriot who sacrificed herself for us. But we all know Hillary never cared about anything but Hillary

 

[Fig]

I'll play you stupid fucks. It's an easy game.
relevant code, 18 U.S.C. 2071:
Only not a felony if she did not realize she had set up a private server in her own home.

Destruction of any of said emails is also a Federal felony unless it was accidental (smashing equipment and Bleach Bit is NOT accidental).

So there is a solid case here to prosecute her and throw her in a Federal Penitentiary for decades. Any prosecutor would take it (except Comey). However, you have to prove intent, which even in the face of smashing equipment and wiping servers has to be proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

HERE IS WHERE SHE'S TOTALLY FUCKED:
Under 18 USC 793 subsection F:
“Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer — Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”

The Espionage Act not only says NOTHING about intent (sorry Comey), it specifically says intent doesn't matter, and that mishandling sensitive (NOT EVEN SECRET) information is a crime.

So there she has no defense. She did it and broke a law that hundreds of servicemen and government employees have gone to the penitentiary for over matters that next to this seem positively trivial.

So really, prosecuting all these peripheral Trump people for process crimes while letting the Alger Capone of espionage and divulgence of state secrets skate pretty much negates your ability to ever talk about "justice", the rule of law, or crimes without coming off as the massive and unrepentant hypocrite you are.

WTF are you reading? Where are you getting your news to be living in such a leftist fantasy land?

 

[quietmike]

So, clearly subsection 1 is the relevant subsection. Given that, does accidentally recieving improperly marked classified material meet the definition of gross negligence?

I guess you forgot Hillary sent copies of all those emails to her attorney, who was not cleared to receive them?
The fact she deleted them, used bleachbit, and smashed phones with hammers conclusively shows she knew what she had done was wrong.

 

[quietmike]

Ah yes, and you have evidence that she knowingly did this, right?

Read the law I posted again, this time slowly.
Intent (knowingly) is not an element of the crime.

 

[pmclaine]

The Daily Caller isn't a news source. Of course the right wing echo chamber takes made up bullshit and runs with it as per usual. It's just another in a long list of hoaxes.

......and CNN/The New York Times are news sources?

 

[pmclaine]

Read the law I posted again, this time slowly.
Intent (knowingly) is not an element of the crime.

Neither "intent" nor "ignorance" of the law are ever a factor.

 

[pmclaine]

I guess you forgot Hillary sent copies of all those emails to her attorney, who was not cleared to receive them?
The fact she deleted them, used bleachbit, and smashed phones with hammers conclusively shows she knew what she had done was wrong.

Hater!

 

[pmclaine]

I'll play you stupid fucks. It's an easy game.
relevant code, 18 U.S.C. 2071:
Only not a felony if she did not realize she had set up a private server in her own home.

Destruction of any of said emails is also a Federal felony unless it was accidental (smashing equipment and Bleach Bit is NOT accidental).

So there is a solid case here to prosecute her and throw her in a Federal Penitentiary for decades. Any prosecutor would take it (except Comey). However, you have to prove intent, which even in the face of smashing equipment and wiping servers has to be proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

HERE IS WHERE SHE'S TOTALLY FUCKED:
Under 18 USC 793 subsection F:
“Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer — Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”

The Espionage Act not only says NOTHING about intent (sorry Comey), it specifically says intent doesn't matter, and that mishandling sensitive (NOT EVEN SECRET) information is a crime.

So there she has no defense. She did it and broke a law that hundreds of servicemen and government employees have gone to the penitentiary for over matters that next to this seem positively trivial.

So really, prosecuting all these peripheral Trump people for process crimes while letting the Alger Capone of espionage and divulgence of state secrets skate pretty much negates your ability to ever talk about "justice", the rule of law, or crimes without coming off as the massive and unrepentant hypocrite you are.

WTF are you reading? Where are you getting your news to be living in such a leftist fantasy land?

One error.....

Comedy isn't even a prosecutor.

He is an investigator.

His role is to provide the facts, just the facts ma'am, than let a prosecutor make the decision.

Of course he couldn't do that because that would splash tooo much shit on DOJ.

 

[Fig]

So, clearly subsection 1 is the relevant subsection. Given that, does accidentally recieving improperly marked classified material meet the definition of gross negligence?

I have to agree with quietmike, read it again slowly, and you'll not that NOWHERE in the statute does it say the information has to be classified. It is THAT broad that it covers all the bases "appliance", "note", or "information".

So all things considered, you want to focus on the Top Secret documents she received and transmitted, which I agree is worse, but it almost irrelevant as it relates to her crimes and the Espionage Act. ALL her communications as Secretary of State are related to our international relations with foreign nations, and therefore directly related to our national defense. She committed thousands of felonies in fact, not just a few dozen whoppers by receiving and transmitting eyes only documents.

I get you want to argue around her crimes, but you simply can't. She did it, intent is specifically NOT part of the law, and she is not being prosecuted or even pursued.

I would be good with that if she went away forever and completely retired from public life. The Clintons were smart, tricky lawyers who seemed to attract death to their hangers on like they were plague carriers, became multi-millionaires, hundreds of times more than speaking fees, while in office and out, and despite tons of circumstantial evidence of crimes there was never any hard evidence. It always seemed to disappear. So, they win. Good bye. Prosecuting defeated and out of office politicians sets a terrible precedent that should only be breached in the most egregious cases. This qualifies, but I'm good with letting her go if the both of them stay gone.

None of that excuses this charade "investigation" and soft coup. Even if the guilty again go free, we're not putting up with it this time. Your hypocrisy it too great to stomach this time. If the Democrats impeach Trump it will be civil war. All he has to do is announce it's on and it will be.

 

[Fig]

One error.....

Comedy isn't even a prosecutor.

He is an investigator.

His role is to provide the facts, just the facts ma'am, than let a prosecutor make the decision.

Of course he couldn't do that because that would splash tooo much shit on DOJ.

Of course. He just announced at his press conference that "no prosecutor would prosecute this case", which is utterly absurd, because the espionage is a total slam dunk. She should never see the light of day on that alone, and I'll bet there are at least 20 other charges attached to that which would have to be proven.

 

[quietmike]

I would be good with that if she went away forever and completely retired from public life.

It would be better if that scandalous hag were swinging from a rope.

 

[pmclaine]

I'll play you stupid fucks. It's an easy game.
relevant code, 18 U.S.C. 2071:
Only not a felony if she did not realize she had set up a private server in her own home.

Destruction of any of said emails is also a Federal felony unless it was accidental (smashing equipment and Bleach Bit is NOT accidental).

So there is a solid case here to prosecute her and throw her in a Federal Penitentiary for decades. Any prosecutor would take it (except Comey). However, you have to prove intent, which even in the face of smashing equipment and wiping servers has to be proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

HERE IS WHERE SHE'S TOTALLY FUCKED:
Under 18 USC 793 subsection F:
“Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer — Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”

The Espionage Act not only says NOTHING about intent (sorry Comey), it specifically says intent doesn't matter, and that mishandling sensitive (NOT EVEN SECRET) information is a crime.

So there she has no defense. She did it and broke a law that hundreds of servicemen and government employees have gone to the penitentiary for over matters that next to this seem positively trivial.

So really, prosecuting all these peripheral Trump people for process crimes while letting the Alger Capone of espionage and divulgence of state secrets skate pretty much negates your ability to ever talk about "justice", the rule of law, or crimes without coming off as the massive and unrepentant hypocrite you are.

WTF are you reading? Where are you getting your news to be living in such a leftist fantasy land?

You underlined "gross negligence" which is exactly why Sztrokey had to excise that term from Comedy's pre investigation rough draft exoneration of Hillary.

 

[FS1]

It would be better if that scandalous hag were swinging from a rope.

No Justice, No Peace. I love co opting the lefts phrases.

 

[fdkay]

So, clearly subsection 1 is the relevant subsection. Given that, does accidentally recieving improperly marked classified material meet the definition of gross negligence?

You're such a complete fucking idiot.

#1(a) If she wouldn't have had an illegal server to illegally store sensitive government documents, that would never have been an issue.

#1 (b) directing your staff to obliterate the classified markings, scan them, then e mail them to an unsecure server shows intent

#2 having a private server is proof of intent

#3 intent isn't an element of the offense

#4 smashing devices under subpoena is tampering/destruction of evidence and shows intent

#5 scrubbing a hard drive under subpoena is a criminal offense and shows intent

#6 before one is granted access to classified material, a training brief is given on the different classifications and markings

#7 A cursory review of the first documents released on Wikileaks plainly revealed the presence of classified documents, this is before the big dump that contained secret info

#8 Intent isn't an element of the offense

#9 Intent is evident beyond a reasonable doubt

#10 failure to alert the proper authorities when a security breach has occurred is an offense

 

[Deleted member 113831]

You know....if you guys had Avi Twatto and Ass Bat Butt Bang on "ignore" then you wouldn't have to get your blood pressure up.

Apparently, it's the attention that they seek...just sayin'.

 

[quietmike]

You know....if you guys had Avi Twatto and Ass Bat Butt Bang on "ignore" then you wouldn't have to get your blood pressure up.

Apparently, it's the attention that they seek...just sayin'.

My blood pressure is fine. Calling out idiots on their BS is entertaining, especially when they make it so easy.
George Soros should really invest more into making better trolls.

 

[Fig]

My vitals are low and level as well. They want to have their own facts and their own reality. The facts in our shared reality put the lie to their opinions. They are receiving this wisdom from somewhere. They would be a lot more competent if they were getting paid.

 

[TripleBull]

Hard to tell if that is bad these days. Whose side is the CIA and FBI on?

Bafuckinzinga!

Everyone in govt receives extensive classes on FOIA and memorializing communications even if unclassified. If you handle classified you get additional boring ass classes about the rules and regs and they all ended with "you will go to jail" in reference to fucking it up.

I do the training annually, as required. The level of document security training is growing steadily and is a required condition for employment in the fed, thanks to assholes like Hillary.

 

[pmclaine]

Intent is always a factor. For a crime to take place the party must have both "mens Rea" or the knowledge that they did the thing and "mens rectus" as well as "actus reus" or an intentional act. Ignorance of the law is different to being ignorant to the lawbreaking act. If you throw a brick of heroin in my yard, my dog eats it and I take the dog to the vet across state lines, I have not committed heroin trafficking because I neither knew the heroin was there, nor did I know I was trafficking it to my veterinarian.

Part 1 says there must have been gross negligence. There is a legal standard for gross negligence, not merely what a bunch of pundits decide on later. To meet that standard it would have to be shown that she was reckless in doing what her predecessors had done, or that specific warning was given against it before it was done. Can that be shown? Remember, you have to prove it to a jury, and any potential appeals courts, not just to your own satisfaction.

Man you are full of shit.

When a drunk goes out and causes a vehicular homocide is he innocent because he didn't intend to kill someone?

Negligence is based on "a reasonable person" state of being. You don't get this because you are unreasonable.

Would a person driving 65 in a 55 be "grossly negligent"?

No of course not because a reasonable person would not expect that measure of law breaking to equate to "knowing or should have known" harm would occur.

Now if that same person is driving 105 in a 55 would a reasonable person "know or should have known" when something goes sideways bad shit will happen? I give you "gross negligence".

I accuse your education system of gross negligence.

 

[quietmike]

To meet that standard it would have to be shown that she was reckless in doing what her predecessors had done, or that specific warning was given against it before it was done. Can that be shown? Remember, you have to prove it to a jury, and any potential appeals courts, not just to your own satisfaction.

Everyone who is granted access to sensitive data goes through training and has to sign that they understand the requirements.

Wanna keep trying or quit while you're behind?

 

[oneshot86]

she knew exactly what she was doing, its why she did it. if she wasnt lying cheating and stealing, she would not have needed to do what she did, also anyone else who knew, helped or sent stuff to her knowing the information was jepordized, is guilty as well

there is no way she did not know in its entirety, that what she did was one of the biggest security violations of the century

she unconditionally belongs in jail

i too was a Marine Embassy Guard and we as well as everyone, everyone everyone in the state dept knew exactly exactly exactly what the law concerning classified material is...

the deep state must be toppled

 

[oneshot86]

period

 

[pmclaine]

period

Second the motion to topple.

 

[oneshot86]

just waiting for mad dog to blow the whisle

 

[pmclaine]

just waiting for mad dog to blow the whisle

Lets hope its a whistle the Army, Navy, USCG and any other person with a shred of decency left in their bones can hear because frankly these "dog whistles" in the media.......Im not hearing them.

 

[TripleBull]

^^^ The denial is deep and odorous with this one...