Sidearms & Scatterguns hk p7 ???

[eli polite]

I'm looking to buy one. A friend of mine has a few of them and they are nice guns.

I have herd a lot of hype about them being the best back up / ccw gun out there and so on....



here is my question.


If this gun is so great why did they stop production on it?

most guns that are great stay in production for more than a few years... what is it that I don't know? before I put the money out for it.

 

[mrdrar]

Can only speak of the P7M8--expensive, gets hot, will foul quickly with dirty ammo. On the good side--accurate, great trigger, light recoil.

 

[Double-edged]

I wouldn't call a P7 a great back-up gun. CCW gun? Yeah, it's good.

Why did they stop production? They were selling fine, apparently, but P7 sales made up, reportedly, far less than 1% of H&K's business and it was a business decision to let them go. Not sure that they are TOTALLY discontinued as new batches seem to appear on the market every now and then.

They are expensive but you get what you pay for. It gets hot only when you are putting a lot of rounds through it. Yes, it will foul with dirty ammunition but if you run clean ammunition it should be more reliable than almost any handgun out there. One of the MOST accurate handguns off the bench that you will find (but it's a handgun, so does it really matter?). Trigger is good, recoil is light. Gun is HEAVY for what it is. That's one big complaint because you can get far more rounds in a package that is, for practical purposes, every bit as reliable, and pay a fraction of the cost. It's also difficult to find leather for it and expensive when you do.

This stuff is in reference to P7M8 and M13 pistols. I don't like the PSP pistols and don't count them in my head as the same thing even though they pretty much are.

 

[Cartman]

Expensive to make (all steel) and not high capacity. Ergonomics too different for some -- might be hard to switch back and forth. I suspect they didn't make enough money selling them and it was simply a business decision. And no, I'm not bashing them and currently own three.

 

[turbo54]

Neat gun, and I enjoy playing with the one a range buddy has. I've zero interest in owning one.

BUG? I don't think so. 3 times the weight of a Smith 442 or similar.

CCW? Perhaps. I don't see that it provides anything a G19, XD9, M&P9, 229 etc etc etc doesn't.

 

[Andy T]

I owned a P7 PSP for ... for all of a day. This gun was designed in the 70s to meet a specific requirement from the West German police. It is unique, but it is also:
1. expensive
2. more complicated
3. Has a manual of arms different than any other pistol
4. Has been eclipsed by current offering.
For instance, take Kahr PM9 - while two rounds less (one less with 7 round magazine), it is much smaller, lighter, easier to maintain, and cheaper.
Only get a P7 if you want it for a "collection". Otherwise, there are many more practical choices for ccw today.

 

[jwsnydes]

Get one!!!!!!

 

[eli polite]

It would be for collection purpose.

I have been on the fence for years. every time I have the money I find something else..

I plan on getting one this summer BUT!! I ran across a a great deal on another 1911 today so that came first.

sig black ops 1911 like new with threaded barrel, 6mags and a trigger job I paid $900 cant pass that up

 

[Cartman]

Only get a P7 if you want it for a "collection".

Admittedly, of my three, two are NIB and the other has been fired only once.

 

[SFree]

The single most accurate pistol I've ever owned. The manual of arms is a jealous bride and may ruin you on other pistols without frequent cross training. Very durable, but it's hard to find a GOOD QUALITY gunsmith that has been trained on squeezer repair. They get hot for sure, but one of the most ingenious pistol designs ever.

Long live the Nazi Staple Gun!

 

[Sgt. 0811]

The gun was expensive to make, HK didn't make a lot of money on them. The gun is over engineered (a good thing). As for CCW, it's okay, there are better options. It was designed specifically for Law Enforement but it is counter intuitive to today's shooting methods. I wouldn't want to carry one as a CCW. It's heavy, the grip is too long and big to hide well. The gun takes some practice to learn to draw and engage with quickly not to mention its expensive.
I would love to own one, they do shoot very well, as stated above, they do get really hot but very accurate, good trigger and just a ton of fun to operate. Not to mention the gun is fascinating. Gas piston 9mm that has a secondary extraction method and a single lever operates most functions of the gun. Just cool, no matter how you slice or dice it.

 

[Bri0242]

I have owned 2 P7 PSPs and 1 P7M8. They're great accurate guns, but they're really heavy. The quality is top notch, and the footprint is large also.

 

[Dogtown]

The single most accurate pistol I've ever owned. The manual of arms is a jealous bride and may ruin you on other pistols without frequent cross training. Very durable, but it's hard to find a GOOD QUALITY gunsmith that has been trained on squeezer repair. They get hot for sure, but one of the most ingenious pistol designs ever.

100% agree. I was able to buy an M13 while I was stationed in Germany back in the early 90s and it's still one of my favorite pistols with well over 2000 rounds through it and a couple trips back to the HK factory for service. Yes, they were expensive to make and are a bit outdated at this point, but I have yet to come across a tactical pistol that I can employ faster than a P7. The squeeze cocking lever takes some getting used to, but once you do it's insanely fast to reload as the grip acts as the slide release. The trigger is smooth and the fixed polygonal rifling barrel is dead nuts accurate combined with the delayed blowback design.

But it's heavy for its size and it gets fucking hot if you run a few mags through it quickly, likely to burn your "fuck you" finger on the trigger guard. Would I get one as a collector's item? Totally. Would I carry one? Not likely.

 

[mikemcg9mm]

Have had several over the years. They are great guns, if you are going to carry get a top of the line leather holster, Alessi, Sparks, ect and a top quality "thick" CCW leather belt to take the weight and you'll be fine.

Mike