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You inadvertantly hit on it. Don't over analyze or over think it, because they don't.
If they were somehow to dodge the bullet and were questioned later, the most profound emotion would most likely be "I thought I was going to die. Me so scared."
The simple answer is they had one chance to get the video right. They definitely numbed and drugged him so he wouldn’t put up a fight. This wasn’t done on a whim, it was planned.
They would look pretty goofy if he was struggling… forcing them to struggle.
Not one flench… zero reaction. No adrenaline or fear is strong enough to ignore knife on flesh… being scalped alive.
They would look pretty goofy if he was struggling… forcing them to struggle.
Not one flench… zero reaction. No adrenaline or fear is strong enough to ignore knife on flesh… being scalped alive.
Then ISIS and Al-Qaeda, when beheading captives, must drug, numb all their victims in these barabaric snuff videos too because you never saw them fighting back.
The journalist Al Qaeda butchered didn't flinch either when a knife was put to his neck. Again, it wouldn't do them any good if they did try and resist with a line of terrorists standing their to assist.
Screaming, fighting and writhing as their heads were cut and hacked off would add to the reality and horror of the message they were sending whereas sedating their hapless victim would be counter productive.
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I’m with Juan on this one. If the guy wasn’t sedated there would be a good chance he would start jumping and flopping around making the guy doing the cutting more likely to cut/stab himself.
If he cut himself or his helpers while holding the guy down then they would be staring at an OSHA complaint and a workers comp claim and that would not go over well with upper management.
In all seriousness they didn’t want to cut a finger off or slice their own wrist during this gruesome event. Those guys are demon possessed.
Would shock be an explanation for this behavior when being executed?
I’ve seen some unexplainably calm behavior on severely injured people due to shock.
I’ve seen some unexplainably calm behavior on severely injured people due to shock.
Thats part of it. Coupled with acceptance of one's fate. They know they are past the fighting back and escaping option.
The only thing left is to go out with an element of dignity. Thats one option remaining and something they can still protect.
Unlikely, what you are talking about is usually from a sever injury that the person does not have any warning about and does not have time to think about it. It happens very fast and the brain blocks it until it can figure out what is going on.
That person was drugged, just like every other torture video. There were some early videos that AQ did where they didn't drug them, (or most of the time they simply bleed them out a lot so they were about to pass out, easier than drugs) and the guy figured out what was going on and fought back. They had to shoot him then cut off his head after he was dead.
There is a video in some shithole where armed black muslims had a line of captives sitting next to a pit and they systematically walked them one by one to the edge, had them lie down, slit their throats and rolled them into the mass grave.
There was no fighting back. Those captives weren't drugged either.
There was no fighting back. Those captives weren't drugged either.
Really enjoy your commentary about the Cartels. Mirrors much of what I hear from a Green Beret friend who has worked in SA a lot. Keep it coming.
But. The Europeans took over what they found and bent it to their ways. Both the slave economy and the savagery.
The American Indians were very very bad and it pre-dated Europeans. Where ever Europeans ran into them, the Indians inevitably raided them, tortured, enslaved raped and pillaged with little if any provocation. I'm part Commanche and Cherokee and used to believe the myths, but by digging and reading, found mostly the opposite. I admire much, but the truth is very very dark. I do think much of this savagery is genetically pre-disposed.
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The only possible exception were the Pacific Coast tribes.
There are very few Anasazi ruins without a destruction layer. Bodies crammed in cracks or buried under burned homes. An entire civilization wiped out in a few years.
Riddles of the Anasazi
What awful event forced the Anasazi to flee their homeland, never to return?
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The Commanches destroyed entire tribes. They were Brutal. And without any morals. Very similar to the Cartels today.
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And this total war involved whole villages all across the Americas as far back as the archeology goes. Here is a well documented site.
Crow Creek massacre - Wikipedia
The Spanish were able to take over Mexico and much of South America as they were far better than the Aztecs or other ruling bodies. The local opposition allied with them to defeat the dictatorships and then intermarried with the Conquistadores. The Native women who married the Spanish leaders were really quite remarkable. They had to have had the full support of their families and extended clans to have been so dominant.
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Really enjoy your commentary about the Cartels. Mirrors much of what I hear from a Green Beret friend who has worked in SA a lot. Keep it coming.
But. The Europeans took over what they found and bent it to their ways. Both the slave economy and the savagery.
The American Indians were very very bad and it pre-dated Europeans. Where ever Europeans ran into them, the Indians inevitably raided them, tortured, enslaved raped and pillaged with little if any provocation. I'm part Commanche and Cherokee and used to believe the myths, but by digging and reading, found mostly the opposite. I admire much, but the truth is very very dark. I do think much of this savagery is genetically pre-disposed.
Amazon product ASIN B00452V7GK
The only possible exception were the Pacific Coast tribes.
There are very few Anasazi ruins without a destruction layer. Bodies crammed in cracks or buried under burned homes. An entire civilization wiped out in a few years.
Riddles of the Anasazi
What awful event forced the Anasazi to flee their homeland, never to return?
The Commanches destroyed entire tribes. They were Brutal. And without any morals. Very similar to the Cartels today.
Amazon product ASIN 1665291559
And this total war involved whole villages all across the Americas as far back as the archeology goes. Here is a well documented site.
Crow Creek massacre - Wikipedia
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The Spanish were able to take over Mexico and much of South America as they were far better than the Aztecs or other ruling bodies. The local opposition allied with them to defeat the dictatorships and then intermarried with the Conquistadores. The Native women who married the Spanish leaders were really quite remarkable. They had to have had the full support of their families and extended clans to have been so dominant.
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What a coincidence. I'm just now studying the fact the Comanche's were a direct blood lineage to the Aztec.
I considered myself having above average knowledge of the Plains Indian, specifically the Comanche. The Comanches were spinoffs of the Shoshones, a northern Plain tribe, whereas the Apaches were decensdents of the whats now the Eskimos.
Really enjoy your commentary about the Cartels. Mirrors much of what I hear from a Green Beret friend who has worked in SA a lot. Keep it coming.
But. The Europeans took over what they found and bent it to their ways. Both the slave economy and the savagery.
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An interesting addition to his comments on the Aztecs.
The rituals of cutting out the hearts were religious. At the top of the pyramids were aviaries where eagles and other large pirds wotuld roost. The priest would make an incision in the abdomen then yank out the still beating heart and throw it to the birds then roll the body down for the people to consume.
Yum....lunch time.
Very interesting. Would you mind if I PM you with some more in-depth questions ? Obviously this is a subject I have a lot of interest in...
Just to start with - any insight on this incident?
2007 Yucatan Gulfstream drug crash - Wikispooks
Thanks for posting BTW. Its obviously extremely rare to get any sort of insight from the .gov side into the black ops sort of deals. Damn near unheard of really..
99% of the former agents are too scared to open their mouth - for good reason too...
When I lived around Austin I was at a bar drinking and met 'a guy'. We got really trashed and ended up back at his place, turned out we had a mutual friend, so he opened up and we had a good long conversation about some of this. He was a pilot who flew weed out of Sothern Mexico into Texas. Told me he knew a pilot who flew numerous loads of coke out of Panama into Florida for the CIA. A name I recognized at the time and have since forgotten. . I checked later and dates and times of his story added up. The pilot committed suicide, my buddy died of cancer a few years back so thats the end of the story.Very interesting. Would you mind if I PM you with some more in-depth questions ? Obviously this is a subject I have a lot of interest in...
Just to start with - any insight on this incident?
2007 Yucatan Gulfstream drug crash - Wikispooks
www.wikispooks.com
Thanks for posting BTW. Its obviously extremely rare to get any sort of insight from the .gov side into the black ops sort of deals. Damn near unheard of really..
99% of the former agents are too scared to open their mouth - for good reason too...
I have friends who lived in the Miami area and owned a place on one of the many canals that folks use to get their boats out to the ocean. They eventually left in fear because once a month or so, the whole neighborhood would be shut down for a couple hours in the evening, while the cops unloaded boats.
"The love of money is the root of all evil."
Almost makes one wonder if the sale of that aircraft was not a coincidence and planned. Knowing who was buying it so it may have been easier to track/monitor. given what its previous use was.Very interesting. Would you mind if I PM you with some more in-depth questions ? Obviously this is a subject I have a lot of interest in...
Just to start with - any insight on this incident?
2007 Yucatan Gulfstream drug crash - Wikispooks
Thanks for posting BTW. Its obviously extremely rare to get any sort of insight from the .gov side into the black ops sort of deals. Damn near unheard of really..
99% of the former agents are too scared to open their mouth - for good reason too...
A good friend of mine whose name anyone in the shooting industry would recognize, asked his retired Texas Ranger buddy why they didn't check all incoming flights, private and commercial, into the U.S. and put a stop to drug trafficing by plane.
He said the Ranger said they couldn't, that a certain percentage of drugs was to be allowed to go through. That conversation was over ten years ago.
I don't know anything about the story you linked. But I will just say that anything is possible. Anything at all. People with common sense and access to the history section in their local library would understand. And after the last few years if you don't believe anything is possible, then there is no hope for you.Very interesting. Would you mind if I PM you with some more in-depth questions ? Obviously this is a subject I have a lot of interest in...
Just to start with - any insight on this incident?
2007 Yucatan Gulfstream drug crash - Wikispooks
Thanks for posting BTW. Its obviously extremely rare to get any sort of insight from the .gov side into the black ops sort of deals. Damn near unheard of really..
99% of the former agents are too scared to open their mouth - for good reason too...
That said, I don't mind sharing what I can. These are not exactly state secrets, like how CCP cash flowed through multiple shell corps and ended up in Joe Biden's grand child's account. Nothing like that.
One of the things that still sticks in my craw is how Barry McCaffery lied his ass off as drug czar. I know, politicians lie. McCaffery was CINC SouthCom and he and I saw the same intel. And I went into the field, and I saw things. So when he retired Clinton made him the drug czar. The drug czar had to sign off on Mexico being a full and faithful participant in the drug war to recieve US dollars. The Mexican economy was about to tank, and with it all the Mexican bonds that banks mainly in Chicago held. So McCaffery said that Mexico was our great partner when 5 minutes ago he was hearing and seeing that the Mexican government was running drugs and the Mexican Army was protecting the shipments.
Everyone left on the ground was demoralized when he did that. He sucked then. He sucks now. There is no telling how much money he made for that move.
I saw a question about how money was laundered. Not really news. It used to go through the Camen Islands but I think that got slowed down or stopped. The cash was weighed on the tarmac. It was credited by weight, not a hard count. From there it ended up buying a strip center in Nebraska or a car dealership in Lousiana or a skyscraper condo in Miami.
All my stories are 30 years old. Not that interesting. But the thing to understand is that a lot of .gov people make grade, and a lot of contractors make money on the drug war. They have no interest in winning it. "War on drugs"? Come on man. They have a vested interest in prolonging it. The shit I did helped me make rank too, so I guess I am a hypocrit of sorts. If you can find an inflation adjusted street price of illicit drugs you will see a flat line. Why? Because like your economics professor told you, decreased supply will result in higher prices. But the supply did not decrease, and therefor the price did not rise. Oversimplified, but you get the drift. There is no "war" on drugs. There is an onging drug business and it works for both sides.
Happy 4th.
Thank you for replying sir!
Just curious - the pilots on said "approved" smuggling flights: were they American? Did they know the cargo they were carrying? Who would load/unload the shipments and where would they land at?
Just wondering about the logistics of how this type deal goes down.. and who all is involved..?
Aw, com'on man, its all about the money. Money will turn your head, especially if someone says "How's your daughter doing, I know she needs an operation, and thats a nice wife you've got. Want to keep her healthy?" NO, it isnt just n the movies. "The love of money..."
@TexPatriot will know about this one. Back in the late 60's early 70's in W. Texas, late at night planes would land on the highway, un load in minutes, and be back in Mexico before anybody knew anything.
I heard of a family with that had land on both sides of the Rio Grande They'd take a dozer, push off a landing strip, plane i, plane out, srip covered. Less than an hour.
They had barges full of weed n NY harbor, mayor and his cronies got rich, nobody got caught, nobody ever got hurt. Then cocaine, big money, and violence ruined it. Thats when Reagan started the drug war, and within the context, I understand it. But it was never about the drugs, it was about the money. How do you think the Nicaraguans financed their war. How do you think the CIA financed their side?
Money...keep yur hands off of my stack"
So I clicked on the degloving video.
Someone asked how come he didn't flinch, kicked, screamed etc.
Reminds me of live tissue lab training.
He was absolutely drugged.
Someone asked how come he didn't flinch, kicked, screamed etc.
Reminds me of live tissue lab training.
He was absolutely drugged.
Tourist town Wimberley, west of Austin, there was a big a ranch in the 70's that had a landing strip on top of a hill next to a huge ranch house. Lots of small planes landed on it at night.
It was the wild west back then to anyone with a pair and a plane. Lots of money and custom handmade boots were made for those who dare fly down into Mexico. Then the Mexicans got their shit together and formed the cartels, putting a stop to the independent cowboys.
I don't think I said anything about an "approved" flight. Not saying there were none, I just don't know of them. What is the definition of "approved"? The idea that a trans-shipment could be identified as being "approved" (by whom I don't know) and with the efficiency and coordination of every layer of government from .gov to .mil to state and local seems rather unlikely. But hey, I keep an open mind.
Because the volume demands it, there is every delivery scheme under the sun. Planes of every size. Landing in every place. Dropping over water, over land. Crews participating and crews not knowing. Boats. Submarines. On the backs of mules. Drones. You name it.
With criminals there is corruption amongst .gov/.mil and LEO and even collusion but what I think some are hunting for is a broader framework to hang conspiracy on.
I don’t think it’s only about money. At some stage the game becomes big enough and the players impactful enough that industry and politics are involved.
The US needs to know who and what comes across, the cartels need unfettered supply delivery. Let’s trade..
The cartels are getting into produce, industrial materials, legit pharmaceuticals manufacturing. You want your ‘Merica! Ford or Ram? You’ll need those cartel run manufacturing assembly lines in Mexico (btw - the Nissan Titan is the most made-in-America truck fuckers). They’re trading partners. Political allies. Let’s trade..
We are woven, tightly, in with these people.
I don’t think it’s only about money. At some stage the game becomes big enough and the players impactful enough that industry and politics are involved.
The US needs to know who and what comes across, the cartels need unfettered supply delivery. Let’s trade..
The cartels are getting into produce, industrial materials, legit pharmaceuticals manufacturing. You want your ‘Merica! Ford or Ram? You’ll need those cartel run manufacturing assembly lines in Mexico (btw - the Nissan Titan is the most made-in-America truck fuckers). They’re trading partners. Political allies. Let’s trade..
We are woven, tightly, in with these people.
I went with my family to the World's Fair which was held in San Antonio in '68. They had a performance by the Aztecs showing them dancing in huge feathered head dresses, etc. They also had a reinactment of their human sacrifice which was a beautiful Aztec virgin (yeah right) laid out on an alter and supposedly getting stabbed in the heart.
The best part was they pulled her top off right before they stabbed her which released a pair of perfect, I mean perfect, brown chi chi's that stood straight up. So did my 13 yr. old shoulder thing that goes up.
My sister said later "Gawd. I can't believe they did that!"
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It’s actually the Honda Ridgeline at number 8 on the list off all vehicles. The Titan comes in at 58.
One thing about drug business people, they are often good in the drug trade but perform poorly in regular business competition. Whether is the Russians, the Italian mafia, or Hispanics, they all seem to suck at regular hard work. They got where they are by being ruthless and using corruption to do well. Doing business the regular way they do not appear to have the intelligence, emotional stability, or hard work ethic to compete. Take away all their money, they lose over time.
Of course they could keep pumping drug money into legit businesses, and they would do well.
Of course they could keep pumping drug money into legit businesses, and they would do well.
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