Home school curriculum

From what I have read, the state requirements vary, so it would be best if you could talk to someone local in your state what is available and how it is regulated. There is a National Home school association.

One of my friends home schooled in Illinois. His wife taught his kids most of the curriculum, and when the subjects like Math/science/physicists came up he would teach them at the more advanced levels (we were both electrical engineers). They were allowed to participate at the local school if they wanted to play any sports like football, basketball etc.

If you like I could give him a call and find out what route he took.
 
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We’ve been home-schooling our younger 3 kids all their lives.

The primary curriculum we use is from The Good and the Beautiful.

It has been awesome really. Anytime my wife was going over something with the kids, I would walk by and comment on my knowledge of the subject, expanding on it based on my own studies and traveled experience relative to it.

I kid you not, the only historical/political/civics block of instruction I didn’t feel compelled to make a comment on was their Bill of Rights and 2nd Amendment instruction specifically. I was coming down the stairs listening to my wife reading from the US Constitution and Government book with them, and couldn’t believe my ears.

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We’ve always homeschooled our kids, now pre-teens a d early teens. We use Abeka curriculum. Full year packages and teacher guides. The curriculum is well rounded and excellent. Also very solid on Christianity.

We also supplement with extensive outside reading.

We started homeschooling when I was stationed in Korea and didn’t like what we saw in the DoD schools. Couldn’t afford a private school. It’s worked out great.

Bob Jones homeschool curriculum is also good.
 
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Abeka as a baseline, and branch out as needed/desired. Our kids mesh better with IEW for writing and spelling.

Take a look at HSLDA membership.

Don’t bother “talking to someone” at your local district regarding state requirements. Look them up yourself (HSLDA will assist with state-specific info), as the person in that dept of your school district wasn’t likely assigned due to their knowledge of the requirements. Source: history of most interactions in every county we’ve lived.

Communicate with gov officials (sending forms, etc) strictly by email (vice phone calls), and keep a record.

Godspeed. You’re doing the right thing, for a host of reasons…some of which come to light during the journey.
 
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Get a solid foundation grounded in math and programming, then learn to code, get comfortable with A.I/Neural Networks(and whatever comes next) and how to use and implement them.

Learn to make technologies work for you, then spend the rest of your life working for yourself instead of spending the rest of your life working for the benefit of others, corporations, government...
 
I was homeschooled all 12 grades. Brother and sister too. Parents always used Bob Jones and Abeka. They would always let us decide our books in each subject, made us enjoy schoolwork more. Gotta say I always thought I was falling behind until I was in college my senior year and couldn't believe how God damn stupid public schooled kids were. I think we would normally start at 9am(except during hunting season) then go until 2-230. Had way more time for chores than other kids.lol
 
Several States have passed legislation that facilitates some form of parental choice, including scholarships.

Utah just passed Utah Fits All Scholarship where they pay out $8,000 per child per year if you apply and get selected.

This can be used for private school tuition, books, computers, lab equipment, memberships, subscriptions, music/dance/martial arts lessons, and other qualifying materials and services for your children’s education.

Arizona also has a very good scholarship program for parents and children, and I think Arkansas is doing something similar.

Our kids are old enough to build a lot of their own educational paths now, so there are a wide range of options that don’t have to fit some type of cookie-cutter model. I enrolled my youngest boy (8) in Mark Rober’s Crunch Labs, which is a monthly subscription where you get mechanical and electrical engineering projects that are really cool.

Some people follow particular curricula mixed with their own approaches.

Others are into Unschooling.

We also have home-schooling co-ops and local groups we belong to.

2 of my 3 younger kids really enjoy long-range and close quarters shooting with me, so I take them once per month.

It’s great to hear your daughter look up after connecting on-steel with 6.5 Grendel and saying, “Dad, this is fun!"

I’ve been teaching them about applied physics, material sciences, aerospace sciences, history, finance, you name it.

I even took my oldest daughter along with me to show her how to deal with car dealerships when we were looking for a replacement vehicle.

When they started playing the “Suckers” game, I showed her how to just walk after leaving a card with contact info when they’re serious.

We have the kids enrolled in soccer, dance, piano and violin lessons so it has plenty of variety on top of their core subjects.

I’m into a sort of 21st Century Mark Twain approach, while my wife likes to follow curriculum and facilitate their additional lessons.

Sometimes you almost forget that there’s such a thing as public school, until you see the kids getting out later in the day from the bus stop.
 
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My brother has been homeschooling his youngest since Covid, his daughter was almost done, so she finished in the public school system. Now I am not going to pretend to know all the details, but my sister-in-law tells me that the school district has a program that helps with home schooling. They just have to hit all the bench marks. She says it usually takes about 3 hours to get through the material each day. After that, she makes him mow grass, plant and help with the garden shit, teaches him to sew, cook, and all the other home making shit. My sister-in-law has always been a stay at home wife.

On the weekends, my brother is a car restorer, so he makes him help for two hours each weekend. He talls me he doesn't have to really ask anymore, that he helps becuase he enjoys it. At 12, he can already put down a nice weld, has learned to shape metal, how to rebuild engines, and all the shit that goes with restoring a car. I call it shop. My brother has become pretty religious over that last few years, so I think there is a lot of bible study in there too.
 
My brother has been homeschooling his youngest since Covid, his daughter was almost done, so she finished in the public school system. Now I am not going to pretend to know all the details, but my sister-in-law tells me that the school district has a program that helps with home schooling. They just have to hit all the bench marks. She says it usually takes about 3 hours to get through the material each day. After that, she makes him mow grass, plant and help with the garden shit, teaches him to sew, cook, and all the other home making shit. My sister-in-law has always been a stay at home wife.

On the weekends, my brother is a car restorer, so he makes him help for two hours each weekend. He talls me he doesn't have to really ask anymore, that he helps becuase he enjoys it. At 12, he can already put down a nice weld, has learned to shape metal, how to rebuild engines, and all the shit that goes with restoring a car. I call it shop. My brother has become pretty religious over that last few years, so I think there is a lot of bible study in there too.
This is the way ^^^

Everyone has their own opinion on religious instruction. And that's fine. So I won't comment further...

But teaching kids valuable skills and an appreciation of work ethic and manual labor is spot on. I wish I had been exposed to more of that... Especially agriculture and horticulture.

Mike
 
Be sure to teach them that it is NOT OK to kiss your sister or diddle your first cousin.

Then yeah, that Constitution stuff and two-genders thing.

And… you should get each of them one of these:

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Thanks guys.

We are just starting this, blindly....and yes, public schools failed me too.

Shred
You’ll do fine. Nobody cares and loves your kids more than you do, so you are your kids’ best advocates.

Given how much information and learning mediums are available nowadays, you can learn along with them even in the early years because there is a ton of information that just isn’t taught in public or even private school.

I attended all types of schools, from Montessori to public, to on-base schools overseas, remote farming village school in West Germany, private 7th-Day Adventist, Baptist, and non-denominational Christian schools, was an exchange student to Japan, and finished out my senior year in public high school.

The private schools were generally 1-2 years ahead of public school with more classroom control since your parents were paying. I also suffered the worst physical abuse from teachers in private school, with my 5th Grade public school teacher vying hard for 2nd place.

7th-Day Adventist private school was a lot nicer to us I think than any of the others, followed by the non-denominational school.

Just thinking about how I was treated in the absence of my parents and how I would deal with that now as a parent, some heads would roll if another adult did that to my kids. I would lay it out in plain terms to the administrators and teachers who perpetrated the violence that I already have spoken with a lawyer and am prepared to move forward with criminal charges for child abuse/endangerment, or we can just step in a room and let me work you over a bit and the slate is clean, your choice. It still boils my blood a bit to this day what they did.

I’m still struggling with forgiveness, but if I didn’t have the morals that I do, there would have been some people in a world of hurt.

Just that aspect alone drove a lot of my decision-making about how we would raise our kids, and strangers in schools simply weren’t an option just from a security standpoint. The lack of academic capacity among teachers was the next layer, since they are products of the system that cranks out incompetent cowards, and these realities were on full-display during Wuhanflu mass compliance.
 
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Just don't forget about the socialization aspect. Community sport leagues are great for socialization with other kids.

Academically, there are a plethora of resources available now. Even if you have a hard time teaching the subject, there are videos on pretty much every subject matter out there (just be sure to watch it yourself first).

My little ones are in public school but we have to spend time reinforcing what is taught, correcting some things that are taught and teaching things that are not taught.
 
Just don't forget about the socialization aspect. Community sport leagues are great for socialization with other kids.

Academically, there are a plethora of resources available now. Even if you have a hard time teaching the subject, there are videos on pretty much every subject matter out there (just be sure to watch it yourself first).

My little ones are in public school but we have to spend time reinforcing what is taught, correcting some things that are taught and teaching things that are not taught.
What does that word mean to you? And ask yourself why does everyone think it's so important.
 
Some of the worst places you can learn “socialization” are in public school. I would say private school is not that different, and as you get older, might actually be a more narcotics-rich environment due to affluence and more access to personal vehicles for students. Some of the private high schools had the higher rates of illegal narcotics use when I was growing up.

If you are raising adults (not children) it’s a really bad idea to let kids spend tons of time around other kids who are not very knowledgeable about much of anything.

Kids in school have some of the worst behavioral habits, peer pressure to act like fools, and are barely on the edge of controlled chaos in modern classrooms. This is a terrible environment to learn what is acceptable behavior.

Another huge problem I’ve seen nowadays is buying smart phones for younger and younger kids. It’s a really weird time for someone to grow up in the world right now, especially in the US.
 
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What does that word mean to you? And ask yourself why does everyone think it's so important.

In the context of my post it would mean kids playing with other kids. Forming friendships is usually a healthy part of childhood. As the parent you have to monitor the friendships.
Some of the worst places you can learn “socialization” are in public school. I would say private school is not that different, and as you get older, might actually be a more narcotics-rich environment due to affluence and more access to personal vehicles for students. Some of the private high schools had the higher rates of illegal narcotics use when I was growing up.

If you are raising adults (not children) it’s a really bad idea to let kids spend tons of time around other kids who are not very knowledgeable about much of anything.

Kids in school have some of the worst behavioral habits, peer pressure to act like fools, and are barely on the edge of controlled chaos in modern classrooms. This is a terrible environment to learn what is acceptable behavior.

Another huge problem I’ve seen nowadays is buying smart phones for younger and younger kids. It’s a really weird time for someone to grow up in the world right now, especially in the US.

That's why I suggested the community sports. If the coach isn't totally inept structure and discipline would exist. I only attended private school when I was younger but there wasn't much difference chaos wise. I'm sure that changes once entering middle school and high school.
 
To be honest, the main reason for homeschooling(for us anyway) is to remove them from their peer groups.

We moved to the county area to get away from the city schools and students... only to have the state open up "school choice" because of low test scores(failing schools and students)... so now they bus the city riff raff into my county schools.

The kids are ten times worse than the teachers or curriculum.

When my 8 year old came home saying "yeet" and making pornographic references.... we knew it was time.

They can socialize when they're married.

Shred
 
To be honest, the main reason for homeschooling(for us anyway) is to remove them from their peer groups.

We moved to the county area to get away from the city schools and students... only to have the state open up "school choice" because of low test scores(failing schools and students)... so now they bus the city riff raff into my county schools.

The kids are ten times worse than the teachers or curriculum.

When my 8 year old came home saying "yeet" and making pornographic references.... we knew it was time.

They can socialize when they're married.

Shred
Yep, kids are being raised by people that have not fully matured themselves. Good choice!

I had to Google the word "Yeet"....not sure I still understand the word or meaning. The world has gone full retard.
 
You’ll do fine. Nobody cares and loves your kids more than you do, so you are your kids’ best advocates.

Given how much information and learning mediums are available nowadays, you can learn along with them even in the early years because there is a ton of information that just isn’t taught in public or even private school.

I attended all types of schools, from Montessori to public, to on-base schools overseas, remote farming village school in West Germany, private 7th-Day Adventist, Baptist, and non-denominational Christian schools, was an exchange student to Japan, and finished out my senior year in public high school.

The private schools were generally 1-2 years ahead of public school with more classroom control since your parents were paying. I also suffered the worst physical abuse from teachers in private school, with my 5th Grade public school teacher vying hard for 2nd place.

7th-Day Adventist private school was a lot nicer to us I think than any of the others, followed by the non-denominational school.

Just thinking about how I was treated in the absence of my parents and how I would deal with that now as a parent, some heads would roll if another adult did that to my kids. I would lay it out in plain terms to the administrators and teachers who perpetrated the violence that I already have spoken with a lawyer and am prepared to move forward with criminal charges for child abuse/endangerment, or we can just step in a room and let me work you over a bit and the slate is clean, your choice. It still boils my blood a bit to this day what they did.

I’m still struggling with forgiveness, but if I didn’t have the morals that I do, there would have been some people in a world of hurt.

Just that aspect alone drove a lot of my decision-making about how we would raise our kids, and strangers in schools simply weren’t an option just from a security standpoint. The lack of academic capacity among teachers was the next layer, since they are products of the system that cranks out incompetent cowards, and these realities were on full-display during Wuhanflu mass compliance.
The fake pandemic was diffrent all over. Teachers were back to work here full capacity, extra for sped teachers, at the beginning of the 2020-2021 school year. Before a lot of people went back to work. There were also teachers here who fought the mask mandates, let kids take off the stupid masks in their class rooms, and had the cognizance to read the warnings on the disinfectants they were approved/required to use and figure out they weren't supposed to be used in the manner they were being instructed to use them and also got that stopped. And just like every other group of people, there were a bunch of slack jawed cowards that went along with and even defended things they knew were wrong.
 
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This is the way ^^^

Everyone has their own opinion on religious instruction. And that's fine. So I won't comment further...

But teaching kids valuable skills and an appreciation of work ethic and manual labor is spot on. I wish I had been exposed to more of that... Especially agriculture and horticulture.

Mike
That's what I was thinking too. I was trying to think of a way homeschooling could match the amount of opportunities to try things as public schools. I.E. electives. Metals, wood shop, weights, and gym, art, and ceramics and on and on. A lot of public schools have some good electives for kids to learn actual skills. Once you have the three Rs you have the tools to learn about most anything you have the gumption to learn about.

I didn't go to kindergarten. I started in first grade at a 7th day Adventist private school. I moved to public school in second grade where I was evaluated for special education due to the fact I could not read yet. After the evaluation I was moved into the gifted and talented program instead of the special education program. Private school isn't always better.
 
Just don't forget about the socialization aspect. Community sport leagues are great for socialization with other kids.

Academically, there are a plethora of resources available now. Even if you have a hard time teaching the subject, there are videos on pretty much every subject matter out there (just be sure to watch it yourself first).

My little ones are in public school but we have to spend time reinforcing what is taught, correcting some things that are taught and teaching things that are not taught.

Socialization is one of the most ignorant concerns brought up regarding homeschooling.

Don't worry about it.
I agree socializing is a necessity. Maybe if they have a youth group through your church it might not be such an issue. But I can say from personal experience that if you try to keep away "public schooled" kids you're going to have depressed kids, and they're going to act out. I was the kid that came up with the bad idea.lol
 
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The farm has plenty of opportunity to keep them busy, the garage has a metal and woodshop in it as well.
There is also a small music studio in the house.

The kids in the church youth group are really of the same caliber as the public school kids,... because they're public schooled.

They've got swoopy haircuts, play Xbox, and do nothing but follow....gotta do something.
You only build a better future by building better people.

I can count on my nose the number of people that I still talk to from school... because my mother birthed him as well.

Thanks for the awesome suggestions for curriculum.... the pit comes through again.

Shred
 
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I agree socializing is a necessity. Maybe if they have a youth group through your church it might not be such an issue. But I can say from personal experience that if you try to keep away "public schooled" kids you're going to have depressed kids, and they're going to act out. I was the kid that came up with the bad idea.lol

That is my opinion as well from personal experience as an adolescent and adult. The homeschooled kids had depression issues as kids and adults. That is also a very small sample size so not trying to say it is a trend.


Plenty of depressed public school kids as well (hear about multiple suicides and attempted suicides all the time).

I just generally view the kid to kid interactions as positive if monitored.
 
I don't envy peopel who are having to raise kids and school them in today's society. I think way too much credit for the problem is focused on public schools when the majority of the problem is parenting. Public schools are not here to raise kids.
 
I asked my daughter about the curriculum she uses and it's Sonlight, not Abeka as I had previously guessed.

Her kids, oldest is 11, are far better educated than I am in most areas.
 
I don't envy peopel who are having to raise kids and school them in today's society. I think way too much credit for the problem is focused on public schools when the majority of the problem is parenting. Public schools are not here to raise kids.
Have you ever read the father of the modern public school’s treatise on what he felt school should be?

John Dewey My Pedagogic Creed

"I believe that the community's duty to education is, therefore, its paramount moral duty. By law and punishment, by social agitation and discussion, society can regulate and form itself in a more or less haphazard and chance way. But through education society can formulate its own purposes, can organize its own means and resources, and thus shape itself with definiteness and economy in the direction in which it wishes to move.

I believe that when society once recognizes the possibilities in this direction, and the obligations which these possibilities impose, it is impossible to conceive of the resources of time, attention, and money which will be put at the disposal of the educator.

I believe it is the business of every one interested in education to insist upon the school as the primary and most effective instrument of social progress and reform in order that society may be awakened to realize what the school stands for, and aroused to the necessity of endowing the educator with sufficient equipment properly to perform his task."

"I believe that with the growth of psychological science, giving added insight into individual structure and laws of growth; and with growth of social science, adding to our knowledge of the right organization of individuals, all scientific resources can be utilized for the purposes of education.

I believe that when science and art thus join hands the most commanding motive for human action will be reached; the most genuine springs of human conduct aroused and the best service that human nature is capable of guaranteed.

I believe, finally, that the teacher is engaged, not simply in the training of individuals, but in the formation of the proper social life.

I believe that every teacher should realize the dignity of his calling; that he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of proper social order and the securing of the right social growth.

I believe that in this way the teacher always is the prophet of the true God and the usherer in of the true kingdom of God."


John Dewey was an atheist, who married a 1st-wave feminazi. They believed school could be used as a new secular humanist church to indoctrinate children into “the proper order of social science” according to the philosophies of Karl Marx and Charles Darwin.

Public school is a secular church, financed by Progressive Era tax schemes, where parents are expected to abandon and surrender their children to the state, so they can be taught an alternate ideology and morality following the influences of the men Dewey worshipped.

It’s a fundamentally un-American system that should never have taken root in the United States, since we come from an unruly people who wish to be left alone, not herded like peasants.
 
Have you ever read the father of the modern public school’s treatise on what he felt school should be?

John Dewey My Pedagogic Creed

"I believe that the community's duty to education is, therefore, its paramount moral duty. By law and punishment, by social agitation and discussion, society can regulate and form itself in a more or less haphazard and chance way. But through education society can formulate its own purposes, can organize its own means and resources, and thus shape itself with definiteness and economy in the direction in which it wishes to move.

I believe that when society once recognizes the possibilities in this direction, and the obligations which these possibilities impose, it is impossible to conceive of the resources of time, attention, and money which will be put at the disposal of the educator.

I believe it is the business of every one interested in education to insist upon the school as the primary and most effective instrument of social progress and reform in order that society may be awakened to realize what the school stands for, and aroused to the necessity of endowing the educator with sufficient equipment properly to perform his task."

"I believe that with the growth of psychological science, giving added insight into individual structure and laws of growth; and with growth of social science, adding to our knowledge of the right organization of individuals, all scientific resources can be utilized for the purposes of education.

I believe that when science and art thus join hands the most commanding motive for human action will be reached; the most genuine springs of human conduct aroused and the best service that human nature is capable of guaranteed.

I believe, finally, that the teacher is engaged, not simply in the training of individuals, but in the formation of the proper social life.

I believe that every teacher should realize the dignity of his calling; that he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of proper social order and the securing of the right social growth.

I believe that in this way the teacher always is the prophet of the true God and the usherer in of the true kingdom of God."


John Dewey was an atheist, who married a 1st-wave feminazi. They believed school could be used as a new secular humanist church to indoctrinate children into “the proper order of social science” according to the philosophies of Karl Marx and Charles Darwin.

Public school is a secular church, financed by Progressive Era tax schemes, where parents are expected to abandon and surrender their children to the state, so they can be taught an alternate ideology and morality following the influences of the men Dewey worshipped.

It’s a fundamentally un-American system that should never have taken root in the United States, since we come from an unruly people who wish to be left alone, not herded like peasants.
Public school is not one entity. There are thousands of public schools. Your public schools are exactly what you have allowed them to become.
 
Public school is not one entity. There are thousands of public schools. Your public schools are exactly what you have allowed them to become.
None of us were alive when the original stock descendants of the American colonies saw waves of immigrants flowing in from the potato famines since 1845, or when Dewey and the communists launched the Progressive compulsory schooling campaign, or after the 1903 Immigration Act.

That massive train was already on the tracks with cyclonic waves institutional inertia that can’t be overcome if you participate in it, using your children as sacrificial lambs on the tracks. My mom was a teacher for 25 years, so I’ve seen the union-Marxist side of it from behind the “educator” curtains as well.

Read John Taylor Gatto on this topic. It punched me in the gut so hard when I read it after many years of trying to solve public schooling or schooling in general. If there is one thing you read today, it is this:

The Six Lesson School Teacher

Call me Mr. Gatto, please. Twenty-six years ago (written in 1991), having nothing better to do, I tried my hand at schoolteaching. My license certifies me as an instructor of English language and literature, but that isn't what I do at all. What I teach is school, and I win awards doing it.

Teaching means many different things, but six lessons are common to schoolteaching from Harlem to Hollywood. You pay for these lessons in more ways than you can imagine, so you might as well know what they are:


The first lesson I teach is: "Stay in the class where you belong." I don't know who decides that my kids belong there but that's not my business.

The children are numbered so that if any get away they can be returned to the right class. Over the years the variety of ways children are numbered has increased dramatically, until it is hard to see the human being under the burden of the numbers each carries. Numbering children is a big and very profitable business, though what the business is designed to accomplish is elusive.

In any case, again, that's not my business. My job is to make the kids like it -- being locked in together, I mean -- or at the minimum, endure it. If things go well, the kids can't imagine themselves anywhere else; they envy and fear the better classes and have contempt for the dumber classes. So the class mostly keeps itself in good marching order. That's the real lesson of any rigged competition like school. You come to know your place.

Nevertheless, in spite of the overall blueprint, I make an effort to urge children to higher levels of test success, promising eventual transfer from the lower-level class as a reward. I insinuate that the day will come when an employer will hire them on the basis of test scores, even though my own experience is that employers are (rightly) indifferent to such things. I never lie outright, but I've come to see that truth and [school]teaching are incompatible.

The lesson of numbered classes is that there is no way out of your class except by magic. Until that happens you must stay where you are put.

The second lesson I teach kids is to turn on and off like a light switch.

I demand that they become totally involved in my lessons, jumping up and down in their seats with anticipation, competing vigorously with each other for my favor. But when the bell rings I insist that they drop the work at once and proceed quickly to the next work station. Nothing important is ever finished in my class, nor in any other class I know of.

The lesson of bells is that no work is worth finishing, so why care too deeply about anything? Bells are the secret logic of schooltime; their argument is inexorable; bells destroy past and future, converting every interval into a sameness, as an abstract map makes every living mountain and river the same even though they are not. Bells inoculate each undertaking with indifference.


The third lesson I teach you is to surrender your will to a predestined chain of command. Rights may be granted or withheld, by authority, without appeal. As a schoolteacher I intervene in many personal decisions, issuing a Pass for those I deem legitimate, or initiating a disciplinary confrontation for behavior that threatens my control. My judgments come thick and fast, because individuality is trying constantly to assert itself in my classroom. Individuality is a curse to all systems of classification, a contradiction of class theory.

Here are some common ways it shows up: children sneak away for a private moment in the toilet on the pretext of moving their bowels; they trick me out of a private instant in the hallway on the grounds that they need water. Sometimes free will appears right in front of me in children angry, depressed or exhilarated by things outside my ken. Rights in such things cannot exist for schoolteachers; only privileges, which can be withdrawn, exist.

The fourth lesson I teach is that only I determine what curriculum you will study (rather, I enforce decisions transmitted by the people who pay me). This power lets me separate good kids from bad kids instantly. Good kids do the tasks I appoint with a minimum of conflict and a decent show of enthusiasm. Of the millions of things of value to learn, I decide what few we have time for. The choices are mine. Curiosity has no important place in my work, only conformity.

Bad kids fight against this, of course, trying openly or covertly to make decisions for themselves about what they will learn. How can we allow that and survive as schoolteachers? Fortunately there are procedures to break the will of those who resist.

This is another way I teach the lesson of dependency. Good people wait for a teacher to tell them what to do. This is the most important lesson of all, that we must wait for other people, better trained than ourselves, to make the meanings of our lives. It is no exaggeration to say that our entire economy depends upon this lesson being learned. Think of what would fall apart if kids weren't trained in the dependency lesson: The social-service businesses could hardly survive, including the fast-growing counseling industry; commercial entertainment of all sorts, along with television, would wither if people remembered how to make their own fun; the food services, restaurants and prepared-food warehouses would shrink if people returned to making their own meals rather than depending on strangers to cook for them. Much of modern law, medicine, and engineering would go too -- the clothing business as well -- unless a guaranteed supply of helpless people poured out of our schools each year. We've built a way of life that depends on people doing what they are told because they don't know any other way. For God's sake, let's not rock that boat!


In lesson five I teach that your self-respect should depend on an observer's measure of your worth. My kids are constantly evaluated and judged. A monthly report, impressive in its precision, is sent into students' homes to spread approval or to mark exactly -- down to a single percentage point -- how dissatisfied with their children parents should be. Although some people might be surprised how little time or reflection goes into making up these records, the cumulative weight of the objective- seeming documents establishes a profile of defect which compels a child to arrive at a certain decisions about himself and his future based on the casual judgment of strangers.

Self-evaluation -- the staple of every major philosophical system that ever appeared on the planet -- is never a factor in these things. The lesson of report cards, grades, and tests is that children should not trust themselves or their parents, but must rely on the evaluation of certified officials. People need to be told what they are worth.

In lesson six I teach children that they are being watched. I keep each student under constant surveillance and so do my colleagues. There are no private spaces for children; there is no private time. Class change lasts 300 seconds to keep promiscuous fraternization at low levels. Students are encouraged to tattle on each other, even to tattle on their parents. Of course I encourage parents to file their own child's waywardness, too.

I assign "homework" so that this surveillance extends into the household, where students might otherwise use the time to learn something unauthorized, perhaps from a father or mother, or by apprenticing to some wiser person in the neighborhood.

The lesson of constant surveillance is that no one can be trusted, that privacy is not legitimate. Surveillance is an ancient urgency among certain influential thinkers; it was a central prescription set down by Calvin in the Institutes, by Plato in the Republic, by Hobbes, by Comte, by Francis Bacon. All these childless men discovered the same thing: Children must be closely watched if you want to keep a society under central control.

It is the great triumph of schooling that among even the best of my fellow teachers, and among even the best parents, there is only a small number who can imagine a different way to do things. Yet only a very few lifetimes ago things were different in the United States: originality and variety were common currency; our freedom from regimentation made us the miracle of the world; social class boundaries were relatively easy to cross; our citizenry was marvelously confident, inventive, and able to do many things independently, to think for themselves. We were something, all by ourselves, as individuals.

It only takes about 50 contact hours to transmit basic literacy and math skills well enough that kids can be self-teachers from then on. The cry for "basic skills" practice is a smokescreen behind which schools pre-empt the time of children for twelve years and teach them the six lessons I've just taught you.

We've had a society increasingly under central control in the United States since just before the Civil War: the lives we lead, the clothes we wear, the food we eat, and the green highway signs we drive by from coast to coast are the products of this central control. So, too, I think, are the epidemics of drugs, suicide, divorce, violence, cruelty, and the hardening of class into caste in the U.S., products of the dehumanization of our lives, the lessening of individual and family importance that central control imposes.

Without a fully active role in community life you cannot develop into a complete human being. Aristotle taught that. Surely he was right; look around you or look in the mirror: that is the demonstration.

"School" is an essential support system for a vision of social engineering that condemns most people to be subordinate stones in a pyramid that narrows to a control point as it ascends. "School" is an artifice which makes such a pyramidal social order seem inevitable (although such a premise is a fundamental betrayal of the American Revolution). In colonial days and through the period of the early Republic we had no schools to speak of. And yet the promise of democracy was beginning to be realized. We turned our backs on this promise by bringing to life the ancient dream of Egypt: compulsory training in subordination for everybody. Compulsory schooling was the secret Plato reluctantly transmitted in the Republic when he laid down the plans for total state control of human life.

The current debate about whether we should have a national curriculum is phony; we already have one, locked up in the six lessons I've told you about and a few more I've spared you. This curriculum produces moral and intellectual paralysis, and no curriculum of content will be sufficient to reverse its bad effects. What is under discussion is a great irrelevancy.

None of this is inevitable, you know. None of it is impregnable to change. We do have a choice in how we bring up young people; there is no right way. There is no "international competition" that compels our existence, difficult as it is to even think about in the face of a constant media barrage of myth to the contrary. In every important material respect our nation is self-sufficient. If we gained a non-material philosophy that found meaning where it is genuinely located -- in families, friends, the passage of seasons, in nature, in simple ceremonies and rituals, in curiosity, generosity, compassion, and service to others, in a decent independence and privacy -- then we would be truly self-sufficient.

How did these awful places, these "schools", come about? As we know them, they are a product of the two "Red Scares" of 1848 and 1919, when powerful interests feared a revolution among our industrial poor, and partly they are the result of the revulsion with which old-line families regarded the waves of Celtic, Slavic, and Latin immigration -- and the Catholic religion -- after 1845. And certainly a third contributing cause can be found in the revulsion with which these same families regarded the free movement of Africans through the society after the Civil War.

Look again at the six lessons of school. This is training for permanent underclasses, people who are to be deprived forever of finding the center of their own special genius. And it is training shaken loose from its original logic: to regulate the poor. Since the 1920s the growth of the well-articulated school bureaucracy, and the less visible growth of a horde of industries that profit from schooling exactly as it is, have enlarged schooling's original grasp to seize the sons and daughters of the middle class.

Is it any wonder Socrates was outraged at the accusation that he took money to teach? Even then, philosophers saw clearly the inevitable direction the professionalization of teaching would take, pre-empting the teaching function that belongs to all in a healthy community; belongs, indeed, most clearly to yourself, since nobody else cares as much about your destiny. Professional teaching tends to another serious error. It makes things that are inherently easy to learn, like reading, writing, and arithmetic, difficult -- by insisting they be taught by pedagogical procedures.

With lessons like the ones I teach day after day, is it any wonder we have the national crisis we face today? Young people indifferent to the adult world and to the future; indifferent to almost everything except the diversion of toys and violence? Rich or poor, schoolchildren cannot concentrate on anything for very long. They have a poor sense of time past and to come; they are mistrustful of intimacy (like the children of divorce they really are); they hate solitude, are cruel, materialistic, dependent, passive, violent, timid in the face of the unexpected, addicted to distraction.

All the peripheral tendencies of childhood are magnified to a grotesque extent by schooling, whose hidden curriculum prevents effective personality development. Indeed, without exploiting the fearfulness, selfishness, and inexperience of children our schools could not survive at all, nor could I as a certified schoolteacher.

"Critical thinking" is a term we hear frequently these days as a form of training which will herald a new day in mass schooling. It certainly will, if it ever happens. No common school that actually dared teach the use of dialectic, heuristic, and other tools of free minds could last a year without being torn to pieces.

Institutional schoolteachers are destructive to children's development. Nobody survives the Six-Lesson Curriculum unscathed, not even the instructors. The method is deeply and profoundly anti-educational. No tinkering will fix it. In one of the great ironies of human affairs, the massive rethinking that schools require would cost so much less than we are spending now that it is not likely to happen. First and foremost, the business I am in is a jobs project and a contract-letting agency. We cannot afford to save money, not even to help children.

At the pass we've come to historically, and after 26 years of teaching, I must conclude that one of the only alternatives on the horizon for most families is to teach their own children at home. Small, de- institutionalized schools are another. Some form of free-market system for public schooling is the likeliest place to look for answers. But the near impossibility of these things for the shattered families of the poor, and for too many on the fringes of the economic middle class, foretell that the disaster of Six-Lesson Schools is likely to continue.

After an adult lifetime spent in teaching school I believe the method of schooling is the only real content it has. Don't be fooled into thinking that good curricula or good equipment or good teachers are the critical determinants of your son and daughter's schooltime. All the pathologies we've considered come about in large measure because the lessons of school prevent children from keeping important appointments with themselves and their families, to learn lessons in self-motivation, perseverance, self-reliance, courage, dignity and love -- and, of course, lessons in service to others, which are among the key lessons of home life.

Thirty years ago these things could still be learned in the time left after school. But television has eaten most of that time, and a combination of television and the stresses peculiar to two-income or single-parent families have swallowed up most of what used to be family time. Our kids have no time left to grow up fully human, and only thin-soil wastelands to do it in.

A future is rushing down upon our culture which will insist that all of us learn the wisdom of non-material experience; this future will demand, as the price of survival, that we follow a pace of natural life economical in material cost. These lessons cannot be learned in schools as they are. School is like starting life with a 12-year jail sentence in which bad habits are the only curriculum truly learned. I teach school and win awards doing it. I should know.
 
Not all teachers are part of teachers union or even have the opportunity to join a teachers unions.

You have a boner against our system of schooling. Likley the same system being used in most home school settings as well.

Pretty much describes what it is like working a job too.

Pretty much describes what you learn going to Bible school as well.
 
You’ll do fine. Nobody cares and loves your kids more than you do, so you are your kids’ best advocates.

Given how much information and learning mediums are available nowadays, you can learn along with them even in the early years because there is a ton of information that just isn’t taught in public or even private school.

I attended all types of schools, from Montessori to public, to on-base schools overseas, remote farming village school in West Germany, private 7th-Day Adventist, Baptist, and non-denominational Christian schools, was an exchange student to Japan, and finished out my senior year in public high school.

The private schools were generally 1-2 years ahead of public school with more classroom control since your parents were paying. I also suffered the worst physical abuse from teachers in private school, with my 5th Grade public school teacher vying hard for 2nd place.

7th-Day Adventist private school was a lot nicer to us I think than any of the others, followed by the non-denominational school.

Just thinking about how I was treated in the absence of my parents and how I would deal with that now as a parent, some heads would roll if another adult did that to my kids. I would lay it out in plain terms to the administrators and teachers who perpetrated the violence that I already have spoken with a lawyer and am prepared to move forward with criminal charges for child abuse/endangerment, or we can just step in a room and let me work you over a bit and the slate is clean, your choice. It still boils my blood a bit to this day what they did.

I’m still struggling with forgiveness, but if I didn’t have the morals that I do, there would have been some people in a world of hurt.

Just that aspect alone drove a lot of my decision-making about how we would raise our kids, and strangers in schools simply weren’t an option just from a security standpoint. The lack of academic capacity among teachers was the next layer, since they are products of the system that cranks out incompetent cowards, and these realities were on full-display during Wuhanflu mass compliance. In universities, everything is different. Students are mature, and professors are highly skilled, experienced, and respectful. So I wish I had a chance to skip school and go to university, but it's not possible. In school, we learn basic skills and knowledge, such as writing skills, which have been a weak area for a long time. Some time ago, I was struggling a lot and was afraid to miss the deadline. I was lucky to find https://essays.edubirdie.com/geography-assignment-help, which helped me out greatly with such task. Now, when I have time, I practice a lot because it's not school; your grades are only your responsibility.
I see your point, and I agree with it.
Kids at school can be cruel, and they treat others badly. Not always, but I know about such cases.
The same goes for teachers - some of them are not suitable for their jobs, and it affects kids.
I know that I can face negative reactions to what I'll say, but still, I'm just curious to hear other opinions.
What about socialization? I agree that school is not the only place where you can have it, but still.
There, you indeed learn how to communicate, and you face different situations, good and bad, and it's an experience.
In homeschooling it's all different
 
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I can’t account for anyone else’s children/young adults, but mine have too much social interaction I think, mainly because we live in one of the youngest counties in the US, with one of, if not the highest per capita of children/young adults.

The sad thing to see is kids at Church bringing that negative behavior from school and spreading it like a disease during Sunday school and youth activities.

What I noticed in public school as a kid was we started with a list of negatives on day 1, all things you aren’t supposed to do and what the punishments will be. There was no mention of the positive path moving forward specific to the curriculum or what we were there for, but something more like a prisoner intake indoctrination with the warden’s rules laid out. Each year was like that, whether public or private school, with a negative cloud of doom hovering over the whole environment.

One of the private schools was not like that, and was more friendly, but they were the exception out of them all.
 
Just don't forget about the socialization aspect. Community sport leagues are great for socialization with other kids.

Academically, there are a plethora of resources available now. Even if you have a hard time teaching the subject, there are videos on pretty much every subject matter out there (just be sure to watch it yourself first).

My little ones are in public school but we have to spend time reinforcing what is taught, correcting some things that are taught and teaching things that are not taught.
I was k-5 public school and they failed me. Parents put me in Christian school for 5-9. It was eye opening just how far behind I was going into private school and by 8th grade graduation I was valedictorian. After 9th grade my parents couldn't afford private any longer so back to public I went. I was so far ahead of everyone that I basically cruised through HS and ruined all study habits and progress. Here's one for you, the science curriculum I already knew inside and out. After a test the teacher agreed and just let me do her college course work. At the end of the semester that bitch gave me a B because she said "it was all so easy for you that you gave no effort. So I had to mark you down for effort". So I did her college masters work for her (one course anyway), aced it -- all totally because of the private school curriculum in the past-- and I get a B. So pissed I didn't try anything else then on.
Anyway, I home schooled my kids through both Christian Liberty academy and charter school programs locally. Socializing came from neighborhood kids, 4h, scouts and ect. Don't let the establishment bully you into thinking because you home school that the kids are isolated in a bubble. That's horsecrap. That message comes from the very people who simply want the power to indoctrinate and are afraid to lose it.