How accurate are White Oak Armament barrels with factory ammo like M193, Frontier, IMI, etc?

[hotmoistandhunky]

Thinking of buying a WOA 3-gun barrel. It's replacing two faxons which have had very mediocre performance.

I'm looking for a barrel that can shoot PMC XTAC M193 at 2.0 MOA or better, consistently. So far one of my faxons and my criterion have been able to do this easily, so I know it's possible.

However, neither of my faxons could get factory loads such as IMI Razorcores, Frontier 68gr/75gr, Fiocchi 62gr anywhere near sub-MOA. Only my Criterion could accomplish this.

Can a WOA barrel shoot M193 loads at 2.0 MOA or better? And can they send factory loads such as Razorcores, Frontier, etc at MOA or better? I'm looking for a barrel that does not need handloads or $2 factory cartridges to reach MOA.

Thanks

 

[bfoosh006]

The limiting factor in a M193 load probably won't be the barrel, but the bullet.

If you ( Or I had ) have barrels that will consistently fire M193 at 2 MOA, I would consider myself lucky.
Are your odds "better" with a WOA barrel, I would think so. I would have far more confidence in a WOA barrel then a Faxon.
Any reason you don't just get another Criterion ?
Molon has preached this for ages, basically no guarantees from a specific brand , but far better odds of getting a great barrel from a reputable manufacturer known for accurate barrels.
Ironically if a manufacturer could produce a consistently great barrel that could shoot , lets just say 1 MOA consistently with M193... they would be rich.
FWIW, I have had some 55gr FMJ ammo shoot better then M193, but the bullet has typically a thicker jacket, and tends not to fragment as readily as a true M193 bullet. Hornady 55gr FMJ, MEN, GECO

 

[kentuckyMarksman]

I get about 1.5" groups at 100 yards with Fiocchi 55gr ammo with my 18" WOA barrel. Other 55gr ammo I've tried has been closer to 2.5"-3" groups.

 

[bfoosh006]

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Return-of-the-M193-Clones/5-2515258/

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/MEN-56-Grain-M193-Accuracy/16-765155/

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Molon-Reference-Links/118-693858/

 

[hotmoistandhunky]

The limiting factor in a M193 load probably won't be the barrel, but the bullet.

If you ( Or I had ) have barrels that will consistently fire M193 at 2 MOA, I would consider myself lucky.
Are your odds "better" with a WOA barrel, I would think so. I would have far more confidence in a WOA barrel then a Faxon.
Any reason you don't just get another Criterion ?
Molon has preached this for ages, basically no guarantees from a specific brand , but far better odds of getting a great barrel from a reputable manufacturer known for accurate barrels.
Ironically if a manufacturer could produce a consistently great barrel that could shoot , lets just say 1 MOA consistently with M193... they would be rich.
FWIW, I have had some 55gr FMJ ammo shoot better then M193, but the bullet has typically a thicker jacket, and tends not to fragment as readily as a true M193 bullet. Hornady 55gr FMJ, MEN, GECO

Yeah, my old criterion was a shooter and could send certain m193 brands under 2.0 moa somewhat reliably. that's all I'm looking for.

but the bigger issue is both of my faxons cannot group decent ammo. people on arfcom suggesting I just need to shoot FGMM if I want to reach 1.0 MOA.. that's not how this works lol. If a barrel cannot group with IMI/AAC/Frontier it's the fault of the barrel. I know this because my old criterion shot clovers on a good day.

as for why I don't get another criterion, they've not been in stock for months

 

[Molon]

So in your other thread, with your other user name, you complained that your Faxon barrel wasn't shooting as well as you wanted it to. You were given good suggestions for other barrels and ammunition and you ignored them and bought yet another Faxon barrel and now that barrel isn't shooting as well as you want it to. And now you're still expecting to find some magical barrel that miraculously transforms shitty M193 into something it isn't?

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/white-oak-barrels-vs-faxon-match-criterion.7150290/

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[maestrogustav]

Molon such a buzz kill!!!

 

[Molon]

Molon such a buzz kill!!!

Damn straight!

The O/P was banned three months ago for being a Fucktard.

And then he re-registered under the user name hotmoistandhunky and resumed making retarded posts.





https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-to-opticsplanet-and-give-up-on-them.7159360/



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[maestrogustav]

Ironically prompted of course.
Thanks Molon

 

[houndog]

Screen names tells me all I need to know about hotmoistandhunky. Must have taken it from his Grinder account.

Although I guess someone with the screen name "houndog" probably shouldn't throw stones.

 

[hotmoistandhunky]

Unbelievable how obsessed you are with me. You're obviously a retired old man who has way too much time on your hands. Can't wait for these boomer idiots to be gone so the firearm hobby is just a little bit less toxic.

Damn straight!




And then he re-registered under the user name hotmoistandhunky and resumed making retarded posts.





https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-to-opticsplanet-and-give-up-on-them.7159360/



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[broke_again]

I purchased the heaviest contour WOA 3 gun barrel. I threw together a quick load using 69 gr Nosler custom comps in LC brass. At 400 yards it printed a group right on the waterline I was aiming for. My limiting factor was the 1-6 scope that couldn’t resolve a better sight picture.

But I was damn impressed with the barrel

 

[bigjake83]

Unbelievable how obsessed you are with me. You're obviously a retired old man who has way too much time on your hands. Can't wait for these boomer idiots to be gone so the firearm hobby is just a little bit less toxic.

I'd take 1 Baby Boomer over a 100 of you millennial/GenZ Twatwaffle Snow Flakes any day.

Boomers came home after being pushed into a pointless Democratic war and rebuilt this country with hard work, meanwhile you fucks can't figure out what sex to assign your child at birth.

 

[hotmoistandhunky]

I'd take 1 Baby Boomer over a 100 of you millennial/GenZ Twatwaffle Snow Flakes any day.

Hey 1983 dum dum, if you're 40 years old, you're a millenial.

 

[bigjake83]

Hey 1983 dum dum, if you're 40 years old, you're a millenial.

Maybe, but I was raised to respect the ones who came before me and work hard for what I want instead looking for handouts or playing the victim.

 

[bigjake83]

Hey maybe if you identify your shit faxon barrels as Kriegers they might shoot better.

 

[hotmoistandhunky]

Hey maybe if you identify your shit faxon barrels as Kriegers they might shoot better.

You're a walking, talking stereotype.

 

[bfoosh006]

You're a walking, talking stereotype.

Lol.... Pot - Kettle ( look it up )

Learn to live with answers that don't meet your narrative. Seriously, it will be better for you.

 

[bfoosh006]

Unbelievable how obsessed you are with me. You're obviously a retired old man who has way too much time on your hands. Can't wait for these boomer idiots to be gone so the firearm hobby is just a little bit less toxic.

I typically try to avoid threads like yours have turned into ( Bickering ) ..... And, you seem like someone genuinely interested in learning something... but you are going about it the wrong way.
Consider apologizing to the community , and refocus on learning. Ask "why" instead of saying BS.
As for the above quote....Again... Pot - Kettle.

That same "Boomer"... knows more then you will ever learn given your attitude.

Many tried to help you.
You didn't "like" the answers, so you started throwing around names , intentionally trying to aggravate people.

What would you call that ?

And the whole changing profiles is laughable.... and against the rules.
"Register using only one username and do not flood the board with posts that are off-topic. These actions will be considered a denial-of-service attack on the forums and will result in your being banned."

So, don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

 

[hotmoistandhunky]

I typically try to avoid threads like yours have turned into ( Bickering ) ..... And, you seem like someone genuinely interested in learning something... but you are going about it the wrong way.
Consider apologizing to the community , and refocus on learning. Ask "why" instead of saying BS.
As for the above quote....Again... Pot - Kettle.

That same "Boomer"... knows more then you will ever learn given your attitude.

Many tried to help you.
You didn't "like" the answers, so you started throwing around names , intentionally trying to aggravate people.

What would you call that ?

And the whole changing profiles is laughable.... and against the rules.
"Register using only one username and do not flood the board with posts that are off-topic. These actions will be considered a denial-of-service attack on the forums and will result in your being banned."

So, don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

Proof?

 

[Elnino31]

So glad I clicked on this thread.

“Twatwaffle” has officially been added to the vocab.