I relize you can't make a 10-22 into a Tanner or an Anschutz, but how accurate are the bull barrel models?
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How accurate can you make a 10-22?
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Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
Mine isn't 'technically' a 10/22 but an AMT Challenge Edition built in the late 90's in the AMT Custom Shop with a Shilen barrel and stainless receiver and Jewell trigger. Non of the Challenge Editions left the shop until they would shoot .3 or less!
So while not a Ruger factory gun etc the design with the right parts etc can be more accurate then a huge percentage of bolt guns.
Mine isn't 'technically' a 10/22 but an AMT Challenge Edition built in the late 90's in the AMT Custom Shop with a Shilen barrel and stainless receiver and Jewell trigger. Non of the Challenge Editions left the shop until they would shoot .3 or less!
So while not a Ruger factory gun etc the design with the right parts etc can be more accurate then a huge percentage of bolt guns.
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mine isn't 'technically' a 10/22 but an AMT Challenge Edition built in the late 90's in the AMT Custom Shop with a Shilen barrel and stainless receiver and Jewell trigger. Non of the Challenge Editions left the shop until they would shoot .3 or less!
So while not a Ruger factory gun etc the design with the right parts etc can be more accurate then a huge percentage of bolt guns. </div></div>
.3" groups at 10 yards isn't bad....just pointing out that group size without distance is worthless.
I have a 10/22 that will shoot 10 shot groups at 50 yards that can sometimes be covered by a dime........almost always covered by a nickel. I have another one, similar components, that has a tough time shooting a 10 shot group at 50 yards that can be covered with a quarter. Both Green Mountain bull barrels..... one shoots really well, the other just ok. Bolt work by Que, Power custom trigger upgrades, bell and carlson stock, Kidd charging handle and a few other tweaks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mine isn't 'technically' a 10/22 but an AMT Challenge Edition built in the late 90's in the AMT Custom Shop with a Shilen barrel and stainless receiver and Jewell trigger. Non of the Challenge Editions left the shop until they would shoot .3 or less!
So while not a Ruger factory gun etc the design with the right parts etc can be more accurate then a huge percentage of bolt guns. </div></div>
.3" groups at 10 yards isn't bad....just pointing out that group size without distance is worthless.
I have a 10/22 that will shoot 10 shot groups at 50 yards that can sometimes be covered by a dime........almost always covered by a nickel. I have another one, similar components, that has a tough time shooting a 10 shot group at 50 yards that can be covered with a quarter. Both Green Mountain bull barrels..... one shoots really well, the other just ok. Bolt work by Que, Power custom trigger upgrades, bell and carlson stock, Kidd charging handle and a few other tweaks.
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gjantzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mine isn't 'technically' a 10/22 but an AMT Challenge Edition built in the late 90's in the AMT Custom Shop with a Shilen barrel and stainless receiver and Jewell trigger. Non of the Challenge Editions left the shop until they would shoot .3 or less!
So while not a Ruger factory gun etc the design with the right parts etc can be more accurate then a huge percentage of bolt guns. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> .3" groups at 10 yards isn't bad....just pointing out that group size without distance is worthless.</span>
I have a 10/22 that will shoot 10 shot groups at 50 yards that can sometimes be covered by a dime........almost always covered by a nickel. I have another one, similar components, that has a tough time shooting a 10 shot group at 50 yards that can be covered with a quarter. Both Green Mountain bull barrels..... one shoots really well, the other just ok. Bolt work by Que, Power custom trigger upgrades, bell and carlson stock, Kidd charging handle and a few other tweaks. </div></div>
Welllll.....aren't you so smart and funny! So sorry that I didn't complete my specs to make it easy for everyone including those at a disadvantage to understand! All the AMT rifles were tested at 50yds. Wasn't bragging about the AMT just trying to point out that the platform in question can be very accurate, but then I am sure with all your 'tweaking'you knew that and were working more for being an a** then being helpfull! " <span style="font-weight: bold">"sometimes </span>covered by a dime and <span style="font-weight: bold">almost always </span> covered by a nickel" is MUCH MORE specific and detailed than my omission of yardage which with rimfires is "almost always" 50yds!
God I am getting sick of the nit picking smart assed shit that is on this site anymore! "Almost always" everyone with a rifle and a pc is an Olympic Medal Winer or Winner. I am done with this!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gjantzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mine isn't 'technically' a 10/22 but an AMT Challenge Edition built in the late 90's in the AMT Custom Shop with a Shilen barrel and stainless receiver and Jewell trigger. Non of the Challenge Editions left the shop until they would shoot .3 or less!
So while not a Ruger factory gun etc the design with the right parts etc can be more accurate then a huge percentage of bolt guns. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"> .3" groups at 10 yards isn't bad....just pointing out that group size without distance is worthless.</span>
I have a 10/22 that will shoot 10 shot groups at 50 yards that can sometimes be covered by a dime........almost always covered by a nickel. I have another one, similar components, that has a tough time shooting a 10 shot group at 50 yards that can be covered with a quarter. Both Green Mountain bull barrels..... one shoots really well, the other just ok. Bolt work by Que, Power custom trigger upgrades, bell and carlson stock, Kidd charging handle and a few other tweaks. </div></div>
Welllll.....aren't you so smart and funny! So sorry that I didn't complete my specs to make it easy for everyone including those at a disadvantage to understand! All the AMT rifles were tested at 50yds. Wasn't bragging about the AMT just trying to point out that the platform in question can be very accurate, but then I am sure with all your 'tweaking'you knew that and were working more for being an a** then being helpfull! " <span style="font-weight: bold">"sometimes </span>covered by a dime and <span style="font-weight: bold">almost always </span> covered by a nickel" is MUCH MORE specific and detailed than my omission of yardage which with rimfires is "almost always" 50yds!
God I am getting sick of the nit picking smart assed shit that is on this site anymore! "Almost always" everyone with a rifle and a pc is an Olympic Medal Winer or Winner. I am done with this!
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
ah, back to the original question: how accurate can a 10 22 be made and secondarily, what contributes most to the accuracy improvement? Barrel, bolt, trigger, stock, bedding or ???
ah, back to the original question: how accurate can a 10 22 be made and secondarily, what contributes most to the accuracy improvement? Barrel, bolt, trigger, stock, bedding or ???
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
#1 - Barrel
#1 (a) - Ammo - each barrel (even made by the same manufacturer will like something the best
#2 - Trigger
The stock can make a difference but the biggest difference is in the ergonomics creating a comfortable platform for repeated shots by the marksman.
Bedding is up to the particular rifle, some like it - some don't. Mine shoots without it.
Accuracy? See below - all at 50 yards top 2 are 10 rounds and the rest 5. Mods include KIDD barrel (Eley Club - Orange Box rim gauged), Volquartsen trigger componenets, Auto Bolt Release, Boyds Tacticool stock. Weaver T24 scope.
#1 - Barrel
#1 (a) - Ammo - each barrel (even made by the same manufacturer will like something the best
#2 - Trigger
The stock can make a difference but the biggest difference is in the ergonomics creating a comfortable platform for repeated shots by the marksman.
Bedding is up to the particular rifle, some like it - some don't. Mine shoots without it.
Accuracy? See below - all at 50 yards top 2 are 10 rounds and the rest 5. Mods include KIDD barrel (Eley Club - Orange Box rim gauged), Volquartsen trigger componenets, Auto Bolt Release, Boyds Tacticool stock. Weaver T24 scope.
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
The Boyds stock looks too cool. What is it made from? Did you buy it camo'd?
The Boyds stock looks too cool. What is it made from? Did you buy it camo'd?
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
Thanks SN. The gun and the 1/8 minute target dot make it fairly easy.
The Boyds stock is wood and does not come camo (black, tan or olive I believe)... but since I only had $80 into the stock and a Walmart with lots of Krylon... I said "what the heck."
Thanks SN. The gun and the 1/8 minute target dot make it fairly easy.
The Boyds stock is wood and does not come camo (black, tan or olive I believe)... but since I only had $80 into the stock and a Walmart with lots of Krylon... I said "what the heck."
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NRAShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ah, back to the original question: how accurate can a 10 22 be made and secondarily, what contributes most to the accuracy improvement? Barrel, bolt, trigger, stock, bedding or ??? </div></div>
A 10/22 can be made very accurate. A few can be made very accurate with minimal modifications, while others couldn't be trusted to hit the broad side of a barn if you were inside with the doors shut. From what I have seen in close to 40 years of shooting, older 10/22s tend to be built better and more accurate (I know that sound silly when talking about a mass-produced semi-auto .22 with a cheap investment cast receiver and a crappy barrel-receiver interface) but its' true. If I was looking for a factory 10/22 I'd pick one of the older, pre-crinkle-finish 10/22' - preferably a 10/22T.
I have a full custom <span style="font-style: italic">10/22 clone</span> that is ridicolously accurate and consistent. <span style="font-style: italic">Under calm conditions, when wind is not a problem</span> it can and has shot sub-MOA to 300 yards. The rifle is built from 100% aftermarket parts, has a threaded receiver-barrel connection, and sits in a McMillan 10/22 Sporter stock. Parts specifications as well as a photo of a "normal"/average group is shown below. The group is 10 shots fired at 100 yards in about 75 seconds using Winchester Super-X 40 gr. I fired the first five slow and the group was considerably smaller, but the wind began to pick up so I fired the last five semi rapid-fire trying to beat the wind. Scope used was a Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40mm on top of a Tactical Solutions 15 MOA Base.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">100 Yard 10-shot group fired slow/fast with Winchester Super-X 40 gr.:</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">And my full-custom, MOA Receiver 10/22 clone as configured when I fired the group above:</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">75% Black/25% Dark Gray Swirl McMillan Sporter</span> - inletted for the MOA Receiver's rear lug by Randy at <span style="font-weight: bold">CPC</span> (Connecticut Precision Chambering). Randy installed a brass escutcheon for the rear lug screw, but I still had to do some additional inletting to fit because the front and rear lug holes did not line up. This held true for both the Kidd Trigger and an older factory (cast aluminum housing) Ruger trigger assembly. I also I enlarged the barrel channel to 1" to allow true free-floating of the barrel.
<span style="font-weight: bold">MOA 17-4 SS Receiver</span> - Bead-blasted finish, hand-stoned and polished bearing surfaces
<span style="font-weight: bold">Volquartsen CNC Machined Bolt</span> - fitted with Volquartsen CS Guide Rod Spring and <span style="font-weight: bold">Power Custom Competition Spring Guide</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd SS 20" Match Barrel</span> - Bead-blasted finish, shortened to 19.25" and threaded into MOA Receiver. Totally free-floating
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Two-Stage Trigger - set to 1.5 lbs. Curved Black Blade</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd SS Receiver Pins</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Bolt Buffer</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Tactical Solutions 15 MOA Picatinny Rail</span>
<a href="http://www.usoptics.com/uso-gear/accessories/ext-cant-indicator/rail-mounted-swivel-acd.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: bold">U.S. Optics Rail Mounted Swivel Bubble Level - Contoured
</span></a>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40mm A.O. w/Duplex Reticle - Matte</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Leupold 1" LOW (.75") PRW Rings - Matte</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Harris BRM-S</span> bipod with
<span style="font-weight: bold">KMW Pod-Loc</span>
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NRAShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ah, back to the original question: how accurate can a 10 22 be made and secondarily, what contributes most to the accuracy improvement? Barrel, bolt, trigger, stock, bedding or ??? </div></div>
A 10/22 can be made very accurate. A few can be made very accurate with minimal modifications, while others couldn't be trusted to hit the broad side of a barn if you were inside with the doors shut. From what I have seen in close to 40 years of shooting, older 10/22s tend to be built better and more accurate (I know that sound silly when talking about a mass-produced semi-auto .22 with a cheap investment cast receiver and a crappy barrel-receiver interface) but its' true. If I was looking for a factory 10/22 I'd pick one of the older, pre-crinkle-finish 10/22' - preferably a 10/22T.
I have a full custom <span style="font-style: italic">10/22 clone</span> that is ridicolously accurate and consistent. <span style="font-style: italic">Under calm conditions, when wind is not a problem</span> it can and has shot sub-MOA to 300 yards. The rifle is built from 100% aftermarket parts, has a threaded receiver-barrel connection, and sits in a McMillan 10/22 Sporter stock. Parts specifications as well as a photo of a "normal"/average group is shown below. The group is 10 shots fired at 100 yards in about 75 seconds using Winchester Super-X 40 gr. I fired the first five slow and the group was considerably smaller, but the wind began to pick up so I fired the last five semi rapid-fire trying to beat the wind. Scope used was a Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40mm on top of a Tactical Solutions 15 MOA Base.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">100 Yard 10-shot group fired slow/fast with Winchester Super-X 40 gr.:</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">And my full-custom, MOA Receiver 10/22 clone as configured when I fired the group above:</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">75% Black/25% Dark Gray Swirl McMillan Sporter</span> - inletted for the MOA Receiver's rear lug by Randy at <span style="font-weight: bold">CPC</span> (Connecticut Precision Chambering). Randy installed a brass escutcheon for the rear lug screw, but I still had to do some additional inletting to fit because the front and rear lug holes did not line up. This held true for both the Kidd Trigger and an older factory (cast aluminum housing) Ruger trigger assembly. I also I enlarged the barrel channel to 1" to allow true free-floating of the barrel.
<span style="font-weight: bold">MOA 17-4 SS Receiver</span> - Bead-blasted finish, hand-stoned and polished bearing surfaces
<span style="font-weight: bold">Volquartsen CNC Machined Bolt</span> - fitted with Volquartsen CS Guide Rod Spring and <span style="font-weight: bold">Power Custom Competition Spring Guide</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd SS 20" Match Barrel</span> - Bead-blasted finish, shortened to 19.25" and threaded into MOA Receiver. Totally free-floating
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Two-Stage Trigger - set to 1.5 lbs. Curved Black Blade</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd SS Receiver Pins</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Bolt Buffer</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Tactical Solutions 15 MOA Picatinny Rail</span>
<a href="http://www.usoptics.com/uso-gear/accessories/ext-cant-indicator/rail-mounted-swivel-acd.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: bold">U.S. Optics Rail Mounted Swivel Bubble Level - Contoured
</span></a>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40mm A.O. w/Duplex Reticle - Matte</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Leupold 1" LOW (.75") PRW Rings - Matte</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Harris BRM-S</span> bipod with
<span style="font-weight: bold">KMW Pod-Loc</span>
Keith
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
Keith
That is one sweet looking rig. What model stock is that? Mine has a thumbhole but don't know if they make it anymore. Looks alot like the Lazzeroni. My other with VQ barrel has a B&C thumbhole and it doesn't fit me at all.
Looking at finding another reciever to replace a Ruger I have with VQ barrel. Would like a threaded reciever and was unaware the one you have was available threaded. Where is the best place to buy them?
Would sure shoot my other rig more if stock fit me. That and a threaded reciever along with a Kidd might make it somewhat enjoyable. Bought it assembled with 4x16 Weaver from brother for $250 so can't bitch much. He bought it complete and really never shot it either.
Thanks in advance.
Respectfully,
Dennis
Keith
That is one sweet looking rig. What model stock is that? Mine has a thumbhole but don't know if they make it anymore. Looks alot like the Lazzeroni. My other with VQ barrel has a B&C thumbhole and it doesn't fit me at all.
Looking at finding another reciever to replace a Ruger I have with VQ barrel. Would like a threaded reciever and was unaware the one you have was available threaded. Where is the best place to buy them?
Would sure shoot my other rig more if stock fit me. That and a threaded reciever along with a Kidd might make it somewhat enjoyable. Bought it assembled with 4x16 Weaver from brother for $250 so can't bitch much. He bought it complete and really never shot it either.
Thanks in advance.
Respectfully,
Dennis
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keith
That is one sweet looking rig. What model stock is that? Mine has a thumbhole but don't know if they make it anymore. Looks alot like the Lazzeroni. My other with VQ barrel has a B&C thumbhole and it doesn't fit me at all.</div></div>
Thanks Dennis,
It is a sweet shooter too. I like your 40X RFs'. The stock is a McMillan 10/22 Sporter in 75% Black & 25% Dark Grey. A lot of places carry them in the McMillan pebblegrain "basic" Black, but beware of what prices are charged. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Rimfire Sports & Custom</span></span> sells the Black pebblefinish Sporter for $394.95. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">McMillan Ruger 10/22 Fiberglass Sporter Stock</span></span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking at finding another reciever to replace a Ruger I have with VQ barrel. Would like a threaded reciever and was unaware the one you have was available threaded. Where is the best place to buy them?
Would sure shoot my other rig more if stock fit me. That and a threaded reciever along with a Kidd might make it somewhat enjoyable. Bought it assembled with 4x16 Weaver from brother for $250 so can't bitch much. He bought it complete and really never shot it either.
Thanks in advance.
Respectfully,
Dennis</div></div>
I'm using a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">MOA 10/22 Replacement Receiver</span></span>, which is cast 17/4 SS. The MOA Receivers' are nice, but they aren't perfect: The tops of the receivers sometimes have a "receiver hump" on top as a result of negative mold erosion over time, and the receiver pin holes are sometimes off axis from each other. The 3/4-15 threading is rough too. However, no one else makes a SS 10/22 receiver that has front and rear lugs (so you can free-float the barrel) <span style="font-style: italic">that takes 10/22 parts interchangably.</span>
You can buy MOA Receivers direct from MOA, which is what I recommend. By buying direct from MOA you can have Richard (MOA Owner), check your receiver to be sure that the receiver holes are in-line and that the receiver top is even, or at least has a mimimal "hump"/bump.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Trigger on threaded <span style="font-style: italic">MOA Stainless Replacement Receiver</span> / <span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Match Barrel</span> action - no V-Block!:</span>
The only other manufacturer of steel 10/22 receivers that can incorporate the rear lug like the MOA Receiver uses is <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">L.H. Precision, LLC</span></span> in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. <span style="font-weight: bold">L.H.P.</span> manufactures a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Custom 10/22 Action</span></span>, which can be manufactured from <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Fortal aluminum</span></span>, chromoly steel, or stainless steel. You can get the receiver with rear lug or without, and a flat (zero) rail on top or the "plain" top to accept any base available for the 10/22. These billet-machined, CNC'ed actions are badass with a price to match - $799.00 for steel and aluminum and $849.00 for SS.
I spoke to Larry Huettel (L.H.P. owner) a couple of years ago before I built my MOA 10/22, and he said that all his parts are proprietary, so Ruger and aftermarket parts will not fit the L.H.P. receiver or bolt or vice versa. They seem to be the ultimate 10/22 receiver, though. At that time L.H.P. was only building full rifles - mostly magnums, but he will build a .22LR if you order it.
<span style="font-weight: bold">L.H. Precision Receiver with MOA-style rear lug and flat (zero cant) rail:</span>
Although it is sort of clunky-looking, I like the precision of the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Supergrade Receiver</span></span>, but Kidd refuses to make a canted rail version. Nor will Kidd produce a plain top version of the the Supergrade (which would make it possible to add a canted rail for long distance shooting). I hope this helps.
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keith
That is one sweet looking rig. What model stock is that? Mine has a thumbhole but don't know if they make it anymore. Looks alot like the Lazzeroni. My other with VQ barrel has a B&C thumbhole and it doesn't fit me at all.</div></div>
Thanks Dennis,
It is a sweet shooter too. I like your 40X RFs'. The stock is a McMillan 10/22 Sporter in 75% Black & 25% Dark Grey. A lot of places carry them in the McMillan pebblegrain "basic" Black, but beware of what prices are charged. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Rimfire Sports & Custom</span></span> sells the Black pebblefinish Sporter for $394.95. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">McMillan Ruger 10/22 Fiberglass Sporter Stock</span></span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking at finding another reciever to replace a Ruger I have with VQ barrel. Would like a threaded reciever and was unaware the one you have was available threaded. Where is the best place to buy them?
Would sure shoot my other rig more if stock fit me. That and a threaded reciever along with a Kidd might make it somewhat enjoyable. Bought it assembled with 4x16 Weaver from brother for $250 so can't bitch much. He bought it complete and really never shot it either.
Thanks in advance.
Respectfully,
Dennis</div></div>
I'm using a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">MOA 10/22 Replacement Receiver</span></span>, which is cast 17/4 SS. The MOA Receivers' are nice, but they aren't perfect: The tops of the receivers sometimes have a "receiver hump" on top as a result of negative mold erosion over time, and the receiver pin holes are sometimes off axis from each other. The 3/4-15 threading is rough too. However, no one else makes a SS 10/22 receiver that has front and rear lugs (so you can free-float the barrel) <span style="font-style: italic">that takes 10/22 parts interchangably.</span>
You can buy MOA Receivers direct from MOA, which is what I recommend. By buying direct from MOA you can have Richard (MOA Owner), check your receiver to be sure that the receiver holes are in-line and that the receiver top is even, or at least has a mimimal "hump"/bump.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Trigger on threaded <span style="font-style: italic">MOA Stainless Replacement Receiver</span> / <span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Match Barrel</span> action - no V-Block!:</span>
The only other manufacturer of steel 10/22 receivers that can incorporate the rear lug like the MOA Receiver uses is <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">L.H. Precision, LLC</span></span> in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. <span style="font-weight: bold">L.H.P.</span> manufactures a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Custom 10/22 Action</span></span>, which can be manufactured from <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Fortal aluminum</span></span>, chromoly steel, or stainless steel. You can get the receiver with rear lug or without, and a flat (zero) rail on top or the "plain" top to accept any base available for the 10/22. These billet-machined, CNC'ed actions are badass with a price to match - $799.00 for steel and aluminum and $849.00 for SS.
I spoke to Larry Huettel (L.H.P. owner) a couple of years ago before I built my MOA 10/22, and he said that all his parts are proprietary, so Ruger and aftermarket parts will not fit the L.H.P. receiver or bolt or vice versa. They seem to be the ultimate 10/22 receiver, though. At that time L.H.P. was only building full rifles - mostly magnums, but he will build a .22LR if you order it.
<span style="font-weight: bold">L.H. Precision Receiver with MOA-style rear lug and flat (zero cant) rail:</span>
Although it is sort of clunky-looking, I like the precision of the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Supergrade Receiver</span></span>, but Kidd refuses to make a canted rail version. Nor will Kidd produce a plain top version of the the Supergrade (which would make it possible to add a canted rail for long distance shooting). I hope this helps.
Keith
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
Thanks alot Keith for the info. Will give it some thought but would have to walk the streets like a crack ho to ever consider the high end SS you mentioned
Think I know what my old crippled welfare ass would look like in hot pants and a couple of tramp stamps and I KNOW I wouldn't pay much for 10seconds of 'entertainment' with Me!!!
Thanks alot Keith for the info. Will give it some thought but would have to walk the streets like a crack ho to ever consider the high end SS you mentioned
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
single most important issue that holds back the stock 10 22 is the chamber, ruger makes them sloppy for better function, the trigger can be fixed for time and .10 of epoxy, the barrel can be floated, the bolt headspace can be tightened for 25, a few guys do set back the ruger barrels and re-chamber them. More than you could ever want to know about 10 22's and little nastiness on rimfire central
single most important issue that holds back the stock 10 22 is the chamber, ruger makes them sloppy for better function, the trigger can be fixed for time and .10 of epoxy, the barrel can be floated, the bolt headspace can be tightened for 25, a few guys do set back the ruger barrels and re-chamber them. More than you could ever want to know about 10 22's and little nastiness on rimfire central
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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That is sexy paint job, how did you get it to turn out so well? Ive got a stock that I would love to have look like that!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That is sexy paint job, how did you get it to turn out so well? Ive got a stock that I would love to have look like that!
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
Burris Signature Zee rings will give you 20 MOA on the 30mm and more on 1'' rings.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keith
That is one sweet looking rig. What model stock is that? Mine has a thumbhole but don't know if they make it anymore. Looks alot like the Lazzeroni. My other with VQ barrel has a B&C thumbhole and it doesn't fit me at all.</div></div>
Thanks Dennis,
It is a sweet shooter too. I like your 40X RFs'. The stock is a McMillan 10/22 Sporter in 75% Black & 25% Dark Grey. A lot of places carry them in the McMillan pebblegrain "basic" Black, but beware of what prices are charged. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Rimfire Sports & Custom</span></span> sells the Black pebblefinish Sporter for $394.95. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">McMillan Ruger 10/22 Fiberglass Sporter Stock</span></span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking at finding another reciever to replace a Ruger I have with VQ barrel. Would like a threaded reciever and was unaware the one you have was available threaded. Where is the best place to buy them?
Would sure shoot my other rig more if stock fit me. That and a threaded reciever along with a Kidd might make it somewhat enjoyable. Bought it assembled with 4x16 Weaver from brother for $250 so can't bitch much. He bought it complete and really never shot it either.
Thanks in advance.
Respectfully,
Dennis</div></div>
I'm using a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">MOA 10/22 Replacement Receiver</span></span>, which is cast 17/4 SS. The MOA Receivers' are nice, but they aren't perfect: The tops of the receivers sometimes have a "receiver hump" on top as a result of negative mold erosion over time, and the receiver pin holes are sometimes off axis from each other. The 3/4-15 threading is rough too. However, no one else makes a SS 10/22 receiver that has front and rear lugs (so you can free-float the barrel) <span style="font-style: italic">that takes 10/22 parts interchangably.</span>
You can buy MOA Receivers direct from MOA, which is what I recommend. By buying direct from MOA you can have Richard (MOA Owner), check your receiver to be sure that the receiver holes are in-line and that the receiver top is even, or at least has a mimimal "hump"/bump.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Trigger on threaded <span style="font-style: italic">MOA Stainless Replacement Receiver</span> / <span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Match Barrel</span> action - no V-Block!:</span>
The only other manufacturer of steel 10/22 receivers that can incorporate the rear lug like the MOA Receiver uses is <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">L.H. Precision, LLC</span></span> in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. <span style="font-weight: bold">L.H.P.</span> manufactures a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Custom 10/22 Action</span></span>, which can be manufactured from <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Fortal aluminum</span></span>, chromoly steel, or stainless steel. You can get the receiver with rear lug or without, and a flat (zero) rail on top or the "plain" top to accept any base available for the 10/22. These billet-machined, CNC'ed actions are badass with a price to match - $799.00 for steel and aluminum and $849.00 for SS.
I spoke to Larry Huettel (L.H.P. owner) a couple of years ago before I built my MOA 10/22, and he said that all his parts are proprietary, so Ruger and aftermarket parts will not fit the L.H.P. receiver or bolt or vice versa. They seem to be the ultimate 10/22 receiver, though. At that time L.H.P. was only building full rifles - mostly magnums, but he will build a .22LR if you order it.
<span style="font-weight: bold">L.H. Precision Receiver with MOA-style rear lug and flat (zero cant) rail:</span>
Although it is sort of clunky-looking, I like the precision of the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Supergrade Receiver</span></span>, but Kidd refuses to make a canted rail version. Nor will Kidd produce a plain top version of the the Supergrade (which would make it possible to add a canted rail for long distance shooting). I hope this helps.
Keith </div></div>
Burris Signature Zee rings will give you 20 MOA on the 30mm and more on 1'' rings.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keith
That is one sweet looking rig. What model stock is that? Mine has a thumbhole but don't know if they make it anymore. Looks alot like the Lazzeroni. My other with VQ barrel has a B&C thumbhole and it doesn't fit me at all.</div></div>
Thanks Dennis,
It is a sweet shooter too. I like your 40X RFs'. The stock is a McMillan 10/22 Sporter in 75% Black & 25% Dark Grey. A lot of places carry them in the McMillan pebblegrain "basic" Black, but beware of what prices are charged. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Rimfire Sports & Custom</span></span> sells the Black pebblefinish Sporter for $394.95. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">McMillan Ruger 10/22 Fiberglass Sporter Stock</span></span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking at finding another reciever to replace a Ruger I have with VQ barrel. Would like a threaded reciever and was unaware the one you have was available threaded. Where is the best place to buy them?
Would sure shoot my other rig more if stock fit me. That and a threaded reciever along with a Kidd might make it somewhat enjoyable. Bought it assembled with 4x16 Weaver from brother for $250 so can't bitch much. He bought it complete and really never shot it either.
Thanks in advance.
Respectfully,
Dennis</div></div>
I'm using a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">MOA 10/22 Replacement Receiver</span></span>, which is cast 17/4 SS. The MOA Receivers' are nice, but they aren't perfect: The tops of the receivers sometimes have a "receiver hump" on top as a result of negative mold erosion over time, and the receiver pin holes are sometimes off axis from each other. The 3/4-15 threading is rough too. However, no one else makes a SS 10/22 receiver that has front and rear lugs (so you can free-float the barrel) <span style="font-style: italic">that takes 10/22 parts interchangably.</span>
You can buy MOA Receivers direct from MOA, which is what I recommend. By buying direct from MOA you can have Richard (MOA Owner), check your receiver to be sure that the receiver holes are in-line and that the receiver top is even, or at least has a mimimal "hump"/bump.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Trigger on threaded <span style="font-style: italic">MOA Stainless Replacement Receiver</span> / <span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Match Barrel</span> action - no V-Block!:</span>
The only other manufacturer of steel 10/22 receivers that can incorporate the rear lug like the MOA Receiver uses is <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">L.H. Precision, LLC</span></span> in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. <span style="font-weight: bold">L.H.P.</span> manufactures a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Custom 10/22 Action</span></span>, which can be manufactured from <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Fortal aluminum</span></span>, chromoly steel, or stainless steel. You can get the receiver with rear lug or without, and a flat (zero) rail on top or the "plain" top to accept any base available for the 10/22. These billet-machined, CNC'ed actions are badass with a price to match - $799.00 for steel and aluminum and $849.00 for SS.
I spoke to Larry Huettel (L.H.P. owner) a couple of years ago before I built my MOA 10/22, and he said that all his parts are proprietary, so Ruger and aftermarket parts will not fit the L.H.P. receiver or bolt or vice versa. They seem to be the ultimate 10/22 receiver, though. At that time L.H.P. was only building full rifles - mostly magnums, but he will build a .22LR if you order it.
<span style="font-weight: bold">L.H. Precision Receiver with MOA-style rear lug and flat (zero cant) rail:</span>
Although it is sort of clunky-looking, I like the precision of the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Supergrade Receiver</span></span>, but Kidd refuses to make a canted rail version. Nor will Kidd produce a plain top version of the the Supergrade (which would make it possible to add a canted rail for long distance shooting). I hope this helps.
Keith </div></div>
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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SDWhirlwind said:
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
not much reason to build the kidd let them do it for you and have their great CS for any possible issues. A lot of people spend more on 10 22 builds than a complete supergrade will run, when I ordered mine I had it in less than 6 weeks, turn around on a small issue was 2 weeks door to door.
We need someone like this to do savage work!!
not much reason to build the kidd let them do it for you and have their great CS for any possible issues. A lot of people spend more on 10 22 builds than a complete supergrade will run, when I ordered mine I had it in less than 6 weeks, turn around on a small issue was 2 weeks door to door.
We need someone like this to do savage work!!
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
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how far could you reach without it? </div></div>
Depends on the scope....if you use something like a USO that allows adjusting the erector for full upward travel you can go pretty much as far as the cartridge will allow. For most scopes expect in the neighborhood of 8-10mils.....you can get 200-240yds roughly with a 0* base depending on the bullet wieght and velocity.
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how far could you reach without it? </div></div>
Depends on the scope....if you use something like a USO that allows adjusting the erector for full upward travel you can go pretty much as far as the cartridge will allow. For most scopes expect in the neighborhood of 8-10mils.....you can get 200-240yds roughly with a 0* base depending on the bullet wieght and velocity.
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
Thanks manning. I think 200 yds with a 22 would be far beyond my skill, but I would have the ability if I ever pick up some skill along the way haha
Thanks manning. I think 200 yds with a 22 would be far beyond my skill, but I would have the ability if I ever pick up some skill along the way haha
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
No problem...and you need to sling some rounds at 200, you may be suprised!
No problem...and you need to sling some rounds at 200, you may be suprised!
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> We need someone like this to do savage work!!</div></div>
www.savagegunsmithing.com
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> We need someone like this to do savage work!!</div></div>
www.savagegunsmithing.com
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Btillr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is sexy paint job, how did you get it to turn out so well? Ive got a stock that I would love to have look like that! </div></div>
Hey Bud, it was pretty easy actually. Made random templates from painters tape and applied a few coats of Krylon Matte Camo. Do a search on it and you will find a few step by steps on the Hide.
Another option is to order templates from someone like Durocoat... I forget the website.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Btillr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is sexy paint job, how did you get it to turn out so well? Ive got a stock that I would love to have look like that! </div></div>
Hey Bud, it was pretty easy actually. Made random templates from painters tape and applied a few coats of Krylon Matte Camo. Do a search on it and you will find a few step by steps on the Hide.
Another option is to order templates from someone like Durocoat... I forget the website.
Re: How accurate can you make a 10-22?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JonnyHawes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks manning. I think 200 yds with a 22 would be far beyond my skill, but I would have the ability if I ever pick up some skill along the way haha </div></div>
Never know until you try...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JonnyHawes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks manning. I think 200 yds with a 22 would be far beyond my skill, but I would have the ability if I ever pick up some skill along the way haha </div></div>
Never know until you try...
