ok the problem i have is i want the 700 ltr in .308 but everyone says the stock that comes on it is junk because when you put it on a bag or a bipod the stock flexs and hits the barrel eliminating the free float, what i want to know is how bad does it hurt, how far off is it going to make it shoot????? im not going to be using it for competition, just target practice and hunting
how bad if not free floated
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I believe the LTR http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm has an HS Precision stock which isn't going to flex. Your friends are thinking of the SPS Tactical model with the Hogue Overmold stock.
I believe the LTR http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm has an HS Precision stock which isn't going to flex. Your friends are thinking of the SPS Tactical model with the Hogue Overmold stock.
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im sry thats what i was talking about is the sps tactical model with the hogue overmold stock
im sry thats what i was talking about is the sps tactical model with the hogue overmold stock
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The stock flexing and making contact with the barrel will have a detrimental effect on accuracy and will absolutely change the rifle's POI depending on the amount of pressure the stock puts on the barrel among other factors. It could potentially be enough of a difference in accuracy to cause problems in a hunting situation.
Most people just replace the crappy Hogue stock with an upgrade to the HS stocks found on either the LTR or one from a PSS. They pop up fairly often for sale and you can unload your Hogue stock for a little money toward the HS.
The stock flexing and making contact with the barrel will have a detrimental effect on accuracy and will absolutely change the rifle's POI depending on the amount of pressure the stock puts on the barrel among other factors. It could potentially be enough of a difference in accuracy to cause problems in a hunting situation.
Most people just replace the crappy Hogue stock with an upgrade to the HS stocks found on either the LTR or one from a PSS. They pop up fairly often for sale and you can unload your Hogue stock for a little money toward the HS.
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well would it be easier to just buy the LTR or PSS? im wanting to stay around 700$
well would it be easier to just buy the LTR or PSS? im wanting to stay around 700$
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My 243 SPS Varmint was getting groupings in the 5" area at 100yds. with the factory stock. It was flexing, especially in the summer temperatures and touching the barrel. I re-inforced the forearm and got it well below an inch. The best bet is to replace the stock with something stiffer. I fixed mine to see if I could, but an aftermarket solution would be much better and easier. I finally saved a few bucks and ordered a Bell and Carlson A2 for a little over $200. Hopefully it will be here soon off of backorder. The H-S I tried off a friends 700VS fixed my accuracy problem too.
My 243 SPS Varmint was getting groupings in the 5" area at 100yds. with the factory stock. It was flexing, especially in the summer temperatures and touching the barrel. I re-inforced the forearm and got it well below an inch. The best bet is to replace the stock with something stiffer. I fixed mine to see if I could, but an aftermarket solution would be much better and easier. I finally saved a few bucks and ordered a Bell and Carlson A2 for a little over $200. Hopefully it will be here soon off of backorder. The H-S I tried off a friends 700VS fixed my accuracy problem too.
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This http://www.snipercountrypx.com/c-1683-700-sps-tactical.aspx vs http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-828-834-remington-700p-ltr-308-fluted.aspx Big differance in price... Get the SPS Tactical and relace stocks as ORD suggested and you should stay near you $700 budget.
This http://www.snipercountrypx.com/c-1683-700-sps-tactical.aspx vs http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-828-834-remington-700p-ltr-308-fluted.aspx Big differance in price... Get the SPS Tactical and relace stocks as ORD suggested and you should stay near you $700 budget.
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You could stay in that price range with an SPS tac and a B&C light tactictical stock and it will shoot very well.
You could stay in that price range with an SPS tac and a B&C light tactictical stock and it will shoot very well.
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Actually if it shoots well and the effects do not change or are repeatable in all conditions then It doesn't matter.
None of what I posted above will come true though.
Actually if it shoots well and the effects do not change or are repeatable in all conditions then It doesn't matter.
None of what I posted above will come true though.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This http://www.snipercountrypx.com/c-1683-700-sps-tactical.aspx vs http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-828-834-remington-700p-ltr-308-fluted.aspx Big differance in price... Get the SPS Tactical and relace stocks as ORD suggested and you should stay near you $700 budget. </div></div>wow thanks man, that helped alot, see im shooting an old remington 788 in .243 right now but want a bigger gun and this seems just right, thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This http://www.snipercountrypx.com/c-1683-700-sps-tactical.aspx vs http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-828-834-remington-700p-ltr-308-fluted.aspx Big differance in price... Get the SPS Tactical and relace stocks as ORD suggested and you should stay near you $700 budget. </div></div>wow thanks man, that helped alot, see im shooting an old remington 788 in .243 right now but want a bigger gun and this seems just right, thanks
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well would it be easier to just buy the LTR or PSS? im wanting to stay around 700$ </div></div>
Either of those guns will run you about $830+ for the PSS and about $900+ for the LTR.
I have an LTR. The stock does not flex. The barrel is free floated.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well would it be easier to just buy the LTR or PSS? im wanting to stay around 700$ </div></div>
Either of those guns will run you about $830+ for the PSS and about $900+ for the LTR.
I have an LTR. The stock does not flex. The barrel is free floated.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ARCOREY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 243 SPS Varmint was getting groupings in the 5" area at 100yds. with the factory stock. It was flexing, especially in the summer temperatures and touching the barrel. I re-inforced the forearm and got it well below an inch. The best bet is to replace the stock with something stiffer. </div></div>
Unless you're really stretching your shots you will not notice that big of a difference with a varmint stock or the hogue stock vs. an HS. This will all depend on your experience and skill level of course, but at 100yds your talking negligable differences unless you had a major ergonomics issue with the tupperware. I say this because I picked up a varmint .308 a while ago and when it had the plastic stock I could consistently get 1" groups (100yds). It now has an HS stock, and now shoots consistently 1" groups (100yds)...haha, sometimes a person can only be so steady.
Do I shoot groups 1/2" to 3/4" with it, yes I do <span style="font-style: italic">sometimes</span> on a pretty day, but my point is the SPS-v in factory form will outshoot many...
My longwinded point is: the above comment about 5" 100 yards groups with an Sps-v is complete and utter bullshit. I could go to my garage, get a fucking 2x4, cut a hole for the trigger, drill two bottom metal screw holes mount it up and add a zip tie for good measure and shoot better than that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ARCOREY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 243 SPS Varmint was getting groupings in the 5" area at 100yds. with the factory stock. It was flexing, especially in the summer temperatures and touching the barrel. I re-inforced the forearm and got it well below an inch. The best bet is to replace the stock with something stiffer. </div></div>
Unless you're really stretching your shots you will not notice that big of a difference with a varmint stock or the hogue stock vs. an HS. This will all depend on your experience and skill level of course, but at 100yds your talking negligable differences unless you had a major ergonomics issue with the tupperware. I say this because I picked up a varmint .308 a while ago and when it had the plastic stock I could consistently get 1" groups (100yds). It now has an HS stock, and now shoots consistently 1" groups (100yds)...haha, sometimes a person can only be so steady.
Do I shoot groups 1/2" to 3/4" with it, yes I do <span style="font-style: italic">sometimes</span> on a pretty day, but my point is the SPS-v in factory form will outshoot many...
My longwinded point is: the above comment about 5" 100 yards groups with an Sps-v is complete and utter bullshit. I could go to my garage, get a fucking 2x4, cut a hole for the trigger, drill two bottom metal screw holes mount it up and add a zip tie for good measure and shoot better than that.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ARCOREY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 243 SPS Varmint was getting groupings in the 5" area at 100yds. with the factory stock. It was flexing, especially in the summer temperatures and touching the barrel. I re-inforced the forearm and got it well below an inch. The best bet is to replace the stock with something stiffer. </div></div>
Unless you're really stretching your shots you will not notice that big of a difference with a varmint stock or the hogue stock vs. an HS. This will all depend on your experience and skill level of course, but at 100yds your talking negligable differences unless you had a major ergonomics issue with the tupperware. I say this because I picked up a varmint .308 a while ago and when it had the plastic stock I could consistently get 1" groups (100yds). It now has an HS stock, and now shoots consistently 1" groups (100yds)...haha, sometimes a person can only be so steady.
Do I shoot groups 1/2" to 3/4" with it, yes I do <span style="font-style: italic">sometimes</span> on a pretty day, but my point is the SPS-v in factory form will outshoot many...
My longwinded point is: the above comment about 5" 100 yards groups with an Sps-v is complete and utter bullshit. I could go to my garage, get a fucking 2x4, cut a hole for the trigger, drill two bottom metal screw holes mount it up and add a zip tie for good measure and shoot better than that.
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Too bad you and your miracle 2x4 weren't available that hot and sunny day to help me out. Fortunately I had 4 other witnesses all trying the same rifle and it wouldn't do much better using a wide variety of handloads and factory offerings. One of the guys there had a stock 22-250 700VS (H-S stock) there and we swapped stocks and bottom metals to get a shootable configuration and it came in around an inch with a load that covered paper before. It's been a while since I fixed the problem, but I kept a picture of the best 100yd target, here it is for the naysayers. If I'd known there was going to be a callout/keyboard pissing match 2 years later, I'd have saved the rest of my targets. I didn't see a point at that time since the load seemed decent by target two and the stock was obviously the problem. This target was definately not the norm that day. All shooting done at lazered 100yds from picnic table with bipod front and rear bag for both targets. Not too promising when this is the best you can get among 4 shooters
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...and the after the stock switch with same shooter same day.
BTW, the B&C stock is due here tomorrow, we'll see how it does. I apologize to the OP for the hijack. Your experience may vary, this is just my real world account with my SPS-V. Maybe JML will be around with a 2x4 and a zip tie if you experience the same problem
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ARCOREY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 243 SPS Varmint was getting groupings in the 5" area at 100yds. with the factory stock. It was flexing, especially in the summer temperatures and touching the barrel. I re-inforced the forearm and got it well below an inch. The best bet is to replace the stock with something stiffer. </div></div>
Unless you're really stretching your shots you will not notice that big of a difference with a varmint stock or the hogue stock vs. an HS. This will all depend on your experience and skill level of course, but at 100yds your talking negligable differences unless you had a major ergonomics issue with the tupperware. I say this because I picked up a varmint .308 a while ago and when it had the plastic stock I could consistently get 1" groups (100yds). It now has an HS stock, and now shoots consistently 1" groups (100yds)...haha, sometimes a person can only be so steady.
Do I shoot groups 1/2" to 3/4" with it, yes I do <span style="font-style: italic">sometimes</span> on a pretty day, but my point is the SPS-v in factory form will outshoot many...
My longwinded point is: the above comment about 5" 100 yards groups with an Sps-v is complete and utter bullshit. I could go to my garage, get a fucking 2x4, cut a hole for the trigger, drill two bottom metal screw holes mount it up and add a zip tie for good measure and shoot better than that.
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Too bad you and your miracle 2x4 weren't available that hot and sunny day to help me out. Fortunately I had 4 other witnesses all trying the same rifle and it wouldn't do much better using a wide variety of handloads and factory offerings. One of the guys there had a stock 22-250 700VS (H-S stock) there and we swapped stocks and bottom metals to get a shootable configuration and it came in around an inch with a load that covered paper before. It's been a while since I fixed the problem, but I kept a picture of the best 100yd target, here it is for the naysayers. If I'd known there was going to be a callout/keyboard pissing match 2 years later, I'd have saved the rest of my targets. I didn't see a point at that time since the load seemed decent by target two and the stock was obviously the problem. This target was definately not the norm that day. All shooting done at lazered 100yds from picnic table with bipod front and rear bag for both targets. Not too promising when this is the best you can get among 4 shooters
...and the after the stock switch with same shooter same day.
BTW, the B&C stock is due here tomorrow, we'll see how it does. I apologize to the OP for the hijack. Your experience may vary, this is just my real world account with my SPS-V. Maybe JML will be around with a 2x4 and a zip tie if you experience the same problem
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Man If I get some spare time this weekend I just might make my 2x4 stock. I wouldnt want to try your "wide variety of handloaded ammo" thats for sure! That 5" is just terrible results, who knows. I'll stop getting off topic and being rude, but I will say its unfair to discourage someone from a product because you had a bad result, that is FAR from the norm, likely with another overlying issue.
Man If I get some spare time this weekend I just might make my 2x4 stock. I wouldnt want to try your "wide variety of handloaded ammo" thats for sure! That 5" is just terrible results, who knows. I'll stop getting off topic and being rude, but I will say its unfair to discourage someone from a product because you had a bad result, that is FAR from the norm, likely with another overlying issue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok the problem i have is i want the 700 ltr in .308 but everyone says the stock that comes on it is junk because when you put it on a bag or a bipod the stock flexs and hits the barrel eliminating the free float, what i want to know is how bad does it hurt, how far off is it going to make it shoot????? im not going to be using it for competition, just target practice and hunting </div></div>
I've an old Rem 700 skinny tube in 30-06 that I put into a B&C stock that has the bedding block. It shot alot better in the B&C but not being content with the groups, Hold your breath, I bedded the complete barrel channel with high temp, black silicone . It's shoots just as good if not better than the two high dollar Customs I own for the first 10 fast shots. Let her cool and you can pound 10 more as well to the same POI.
Now I'm not saying, it will work for you, but it worked for me. That 06 is quickly becoming my favorite play stick, light to carry, an feeds perfect from the 10rd Kwik Klip's
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok the problem i have is i want the 700 ltr in .308 but everyone says the stock that comes on it is junk because when you put it on a bag or a bipod the stock flexs and hits the barrel eliminating the free float, what i want to know is how bad does it hurt, how far off is it going to make it shoot????? im not going to be using it for competition, just target practice and hunting </div></div>
I've an old Rem 700 skinny tube in 30-06 that I put into a B&C stock that has the bedding block. It shot alot better in the B&C but not being content with the groups, Hold your breath, I bedded the complete barrel channel with high temp, black silicone . It's shoots just as good if not better than the two high dollar Customs I own for the first 10 fast shots. Let her cool and you can pound 10 more as well to the same POI.
Now I'm not saying, it will work for you, but it worked for me. That 06 is quickly becoming my favorite play stick, light to carry, an feeds perfect from the 10rd Kwik Klip's
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man If I get some spare time this weekend I just might make my 2x4 stock. I wouldnt want to try your "wide variety of handloaded ammo" thats for sure! That 5" is just terrible results, who knows. I'll stop getting off topic and being rude, but I will say its unfair to discourage someone from a product because you had a bad result, that is FAR from the norm, likely with another overlying issue. </div></div>
I encourage the OP to buy the SPS varmint or tactical as I love mine <span style="font-weight: bold">now</span>. They are a solid base. I went into my purchase knowing the stock and trigger may have to be replaced based on others accounts, but took a chance that it would shoot box stock. Mine didn't shoot well as you can see. I have since dropped in a Rifle Basix LV-1K trigger and bedded steel into the forearm of my factory stock and keep it shooting less than an inch. I have slowly accumulated funds and I am doing my build piece by piece, which was my intention all along. I would have been pissed if I was expecting 1/2" accuracy out of a rifle from the factory and didn't get it and it was my only option and all my funds were soaked into it. There are lemons with every model, but my experience was expected, as others had warned me before my purchase it could go either way. Our contrary posts show the OP the same thing. I was mostly after a 700 short action that I could somewhat shoot until upgrades were affordable. When I purchsed mine for a long term build I priced mine seperate. $450 for a new action and no less than $100 for a take off barrel and still needed a smith to assemble and had no trigger or stock. I walked out the door for $550 with mine ready to fire, no smith needed yet and a chance that it was a good shooter. Basically the factory stock and trigger were free. I fixed the stock for about $20 bucks and have been whacking groundhogs with it since. If you want a Remington 700, they are a great deal if for no more than to get an action to shoot until build funds arrive. I just don't want anybody to think it's going to shoot bugholes out of the box just because it says Remington on it. Mine took 2 steel bars and a full forearm bedding to do it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man If I get some spare time this weekend I just might make my 2x4 stock. I wouldnt want to try your "wide variety of handloaded ammo" thats for sure! That 5" is just terrible results, who knows. I'll stop getting off topic and being rude, but I will say its unfair to discourage someone from a product because you had a bad result, that is FAR from the norm, likely with another overlying issue. </div></div>
I encourage the OP to buy the SPS varmint or tactical as I love mine <span style="font-weight: bold">now</span>. They are a solid base. I went into my purchase knowing the stock and trigger may have to be replaced based on others accounts, but took a chance that it would shoot box stock. Mine didn't shoot well as you can see. I have since dropped in a Rifle Basix LV-1K trigger and bedded steel into the forearm of my factory stock and keep it shooting less than an inch. I have slowly accumulated funds and I am doing my build piece by piece, which was my intention all along. I would have been pissed if I was expecting 1/2" accuracy out of a rifle from the factory and didn't get it and it was my only option and all my funds were soaked into it. There are lemons with every model, but my experience was expected, as others had warned me before my purchase it could go either way. Our contrary posts show the OP the same thing. I was mostly after a 700 short action that I could somewhat shoot until upgrades were affordable. When I purchsed mine for a long term build I priced mine seperate. $450 for a new action and no less than $100 for a take off barrel and still needed a smith to assemble and had no trigger or stock. I walked out the door for $550 with mine ready to fire, no smith needed yet and a chance that it was a good shooter. Basically the factory stock and trigger were free. I fixed the stock for about $20 bucks and have been whacking groundhogs with it since. If you want a Remington 700, they are a great deal if for no more than to get an action to shoot until build funds arrive. I just don't want anybody to think it's going to shoot bugholes out of the box just because it says Remington on it. Mine took 2 steel bars and a full forearm bedding to do it.
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Do you think the extra effort to cut and fit metal into that stock? Would just filling with epoxy be much different on stiffness, maybe after quickly drilling through the sections so they're connected?
Do you think the extra effort to cut and fit metal into that stock? Would just filling with epoxy be much different on stiffness, maybe after quickly drilling through the sections so they're connected?
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I saw where a guy on another forum used a hot glue gun to fill the voids in the forearm to stiffen his enough to get it to shoot. I used flat barstock from Lowe's because I knew, once bedded, it would be a bear to put the bars in later if it wasn't stiff enough. I've also seen where people used lighter objects like aluminum or carbon arrows too. Here's a before the bedding picture.
I saw where a guy on another forum used a hot glue gun to fill the voids in the forearm to stiffen his enough to get it to shoot. I used flat barstock from Lowe's because I knew, once bedded, it would be a bear to put the bars in later if it wasn't stiff enough. I've also seen where people used lighter objects like aluminum or carbon arrows too. Here's a before the bedding picture.
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hmmmm well ive learned alot in the last 2 days between yall and a gun shop i went to today, he had the sps v in .223 and i finally got to hold one, i didnt know they dont even make them now, the closest thing is the xcr which is 1400$, am not going to purchase this thing until july, am i looking in the wrong direction???? i just love the size and simplicity of the sps v, and the price is awesome, based on that what direction do you "experienced" guys think i should go? im a 23 year old shooting a model 788 in .243 that wants to move up to a reasonably priced .75" rifle
hmmmm well ive learned alot in the last 2 days between yall and a gun shop i went to today, he had the sps v in .223 and i finally got to hold one, i didnt know they dont even make them now, the closest thing is the xcr which is 1400$, am not going to purchase this thing until july, am i looking in the wrong direction???? i just love the size and simplicity of the sps v, and the price is awesome, based on that what direction do you "experienced" guys think i should go? im a 23 year old shooting a model 788 in .243 that wants to move up to a reasonably priced .75" rifle
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If you buy that rifle, you will thoroughly enjoy it. Buy it, shoot it, and dont spend too much time messing with the stock unless frankly your just really bored. If for whatever reason you are not happy with it, you will have no problem selling it to someone else. People snatch up the V's because of that reasonable price/great value you mentioned.
If you buy that rifle, you will thoroughly enjoy it. Buy it, shoot it, and dont spend too much time messing with the stock unless frankly your just really bored. If for whatever reason you are not happy with it, you will have no problem selling it to someone else. People snatch up the V's because of that reasonable price/great value you mentioned.
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yeah thats how its looking so far JML403, i mean for the price its hard to beat, i just got done looking at xcr compact tacticals for sale and they are all atleast 1200, and thats way to much for a deer gun, who makes good stocks that dont cost as much as a new rifle??? lol
yeah thats how its looking so far JML403, i mean for the price its hard to beat, i just got done looking at xcr compact tacticals for sale and they are all atleast 1200, and thats way to much for a deer gun, who makes good stocks that dont cost as much as a new rifle??? lol
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Someone was nice enough to make that bad boy. Its a lot better search than the site one. Do a little looking around for take off stocks, 700P's ones and 5r's in peticular. Then check the optics/accessories sale section and snag something ($200 usually). Great way to build a economical tack driver.
Or just save a few extra bucks and get a 700P. The varmint is just nice because if funds arent there you cant buy and shoot right away, then upgrade as you go. Thats how I started a while back, then when the bug catches and the funds are flowing you can get into the big leagues (if your wife is awesome like mine and doesnt give a shit, a few burberry accessories go a long way, she wont even notice your new toys!)
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Someone was nice enough to make that bad boy. Its a lot better search than the site one. Do a little looking around for take off stocks, 700P's ones and 5r's in peticular. Then check the optics/accessories sale section and snag something ($200 usually). Great way to build a economical tack driver.
Or just save a few extra bucks and get a 700P. The varmint is just nice because if funds arent there you cant buy and shoot right away, then upgrade as you go. Thats how I started a while back, then when the bug catches and the funds are flowing you can get into the big leagues (if your wife is awesome like mine and doesnt give a shit, a few burberry accessories go a long way, she wont even notice your new toys!)
