How Deep Does The Rabbit Hole Go?

[b2lee]

So, I like many, wanted to build a 1000 to 2000 yard rifle...something that had few flaws...if any. If I don't hit the target...I want to know without a doubt...it isn't the equipment...it is me...and be able to understand what I need to work on. So...the journey began with the selection of a cartridge. Next it was premium components...and now I'm filling in with equipment.

So...I've posted the specs on my rifle here before...but tell me...how far down does the rabbit hole go on equipment? Add to the list if you can name something:

ADG Brass
LE Wilson Arbor Press dies
K&M Arbor Press.
Neck bushing for dies
Sinclair version of the LE Wilson Micrometer Seating Die.
Giraud Trimmer
Autotrickler V3
MagnetoSpeedV3
Primal Rights Competition Primer Seater
AMP Annealer
21st Century Neck Turning Lathe
K&M Primer Pocket Uniformer
Sinclair Neck Mandrels
21st Century Concentricity Tool
Area 419 Powder Funnel Kit
Area 419 50 round magnum reloading tray

If I weren't a 'Poors' before...I'm getting there quickly.

 

[Steel head]

Your much much further in than I
I do have ADG brass and a 21st century neck turner.
Torch and socket for annealing.
Lee, Redding and Forster dies.
Lee press
Hornandy powder measure
419 funnel.
frankfort neck trimmer.
RCBS universal hand primer.

I plan on spending more money on Barrels, bullets and powder as the junk I have gives good results.

 

[b2lee]

I just want the madness to stop....heh. Still need a RSS Tripod and instead of getting some of the long range cameras...going with the DJI Mavic Air 2 drone...for the same price as a Long Shot Camera...you can get a drone with better video and a 6 mile range....240fps for hopefully....maybe catching a bullet at a mile just before it smacks the steel. I think at that distance my bullet will be moving 6.5ft per frame.

But the madness better end soon...because I have another rifle I want to build

 

[Buckley]

I can feel the slow pull towards the rabbit? err...black hole myself. Will attempt to avoid wasting hard earned funds along the ever accelerating trajectory by learning from the SH community. Thanks for the posts and info!

 

[b2lee]

The sad part is...the above isn't the entire list I got 6 stations worth of Inline Fabrication flush mount plates....and a ton of Dan's add ons and custom plates for things that aren't used for the above rifle...but for other rifles...such as Dillion Primer Pocket Swagger....and Meplat trimmers....I probably got $1500 easily in Inline Fabrication stuff. Bags and cases....tools out my ass...like Primer Pocket go and no go gauges....trigger pull gauges....bolt take down tools...fixtures....but one thing I don't have is a clamp on scope level....sure I have one on the bottom of my Spuhr mount....because it comes with the mount...but it is in a location that I can't see with my blind self...and I don't use it.

I'm thinking.... LIDAR....yep...cause a Kestrel isnt' enough....I need 3D mapped wind currents out to 30 miles

 

[jasent]

The rabbit hole goes till you die. No one ever finds the bottom

 

[b2lee]

The rabbit hole goes till you die. No one ever finds the bottom

Yea....and soon I may step into the 37X game...because...I need a 2000 to 4000 rifle....East of the Mississippi...heh...guess I could always travel.

 

[Steel head]

Yea....and soon I may step into the 37X game...because...I need a 2000 to 4000 rifle....East of the Mississippi...heh...guess I could always travel.

Bring it out west

 

[gunsnjeeps]

ELR relativity, the rabbit hole equates the renge of the target?

Not sure, I'm at 1k and just saw the title passing by.

 

[calshipbuilder]

You gotta start this analysis at the target and work backwards. Sort out target size, distance, environmentals, and first round hit percentage goal, then you can run models in AB Analytics till you see the velocity / BC / velocity SD that will achieve that.

From there you can decide what compromises you are OK with making so you can get as close to your goal as possible.

For real world examples, here's the equipment used at KO2M:

What The Pros Use – King of 2 Miles Edition

Earlier this week I traveled to watch the King of 2 Miles rifle competition (Ko2M) at the NRA Whitti...

precisionrifleblog.com

If you want to see more field rifle setups, look at what's working at the NF ELR Steel Challenge.

 

[nealm66]

Well, I’m pretty bored with 22lr. That hole has never even been a trip hazard. This Hornady Precision Hunter Steel Challenge though... that might consume

 

[TripleBull]

But the other end is an even deeper rabbit hole...

Optics - high end rifle scope and high end spotting scope?
Longer range calibers = more expensive rifles - I'm jonesing for a 416B
(^^^ now go buy more expensive dies, mandrels, larger press,etc.)
Large caliber solids , expensive brass, larger powder diet
Your moderately priced range finder will struggle at 2 miles, so pony up.
You are gonna need a Tarac or two or three
Less places to shoot so more travel $

 

[GIXXER2000]

If your looking to go 2000 yards max then 300NM is a great choice or for budget Ruger PR in 300 prc under $2000 and many barrels available. I f you want to play with the big dogs then 375ct on up. The nice thing about the 375ct good brass and lots of bullets to choose from. But be ready to send some $ . I just had Robert Vestal rebarrel my 375ct with and it was about $1500 with cross country shipping. I have hit out to 3400+ yards. Here is my ELR Rig
Cadex Shadow 375ct
34in 1-7 Heavy Bartlein barrel
Terminator T5 Brake
S&B 3X27 34 mil
Just ordered a Charlie Tac set to 30 mil, I did have an Ivey 50 mil adjustable base on.
Accu-Tac bipod HD-50

 

[Steel head]

If your looking to go 2000 yards max then 300NM is a great choice or for budget Ruger PR in 300 prc under $2000 and many barrels available. I f you want to play with the big dogs then 375ct on up. The nice thing about the 375ct good brass and lots of bullets to choose from. But be ready to send some $ . I just had Robert Vestal rebarrel my 375ct with and it was about $1500 with cross country shipping. I have hit out to 3400+ yards. Here is my ELR Rig
Cadex Shadow 375ct
34in 1-7 Heavy Bartlein barrel
Terminator T5 Brake
S&B 3X27 34 mil
Just ordered a Charlie Tac set to 30 mil, I did have an Ivey 50 mil adjustable base on.
Accu-Tac bipod HD-50
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I recently ordered a Charlie tarac as well.
Itching to get it
Targets hanging and on order from 2800-3500 to try with my 7mm midget stripper magnum.

 

[b2lee]

For 1000 to 2000 yards...I'm already +$9k into a custom 300PRC with a ZCO 5-27x56 MPCT3 sitting on top. Probably looking to spend about the same on a 37XC or so. The 300PRC has made hits at 2500yds....and that's the farthest I've ever attempted.

However....since I have no place to really stretch a 37XC out...without traveling....probably going to rethink my 1000 yard and in game...with a nice custom 6mm something.

The rabbit hole is getting deeper...forgot all about a Charlie Tarac....it is on my list.

 

[Numedal]

I recently ordered a Charlie tarac as well.
Itching to get it
Targets hanging and on order from 2800-3500 to try with my 7mm midget stripper magnum.

Please tell me that is the actual name of the chambering!

 

[Steel head]

Please tell me that is the actual name of the chambering!

Since Remington abandoned it I can call it whatever I want.

 

[Steel head]

I should talk to ADG about a proper headstamp.

 

[dragman]

This is a rabbit hole! never ends! and throws you a curve every time you think you have something figured out BAM! nope hahaha

 

[acudaowner]

got to love the ride .I also love the name you gave that load
if you ever decide to make and sell that with that name it would at least be creative and catchy

 

[earthtrekker1775]

So, I like many, wanted to build a 1000 to 2000 yard rifle...something that had few flaws...if any. If I don't hit the target...I want to know without a doubt...it isn't the equipment...it is me...and be able to understand what I need to work on. So...the journey began with the selection of a cartridge. Next it was premium components...and now I'm filling in with equipment.

So...I've posted the specs on my rifle here before...but tell me...how far down does the rabbit hole go on equipment? Add to the list if you can name something:

ADG Brass
LE Wilson Arbor Press dies
K&M Arbor Press.
Neck bushing for dies
Sinclair version of the LE Wilson Micrometer Seating Die.
Giraud Trimmer
Autotrickler V3
MagnetoSpeedV3
Primal Rights Competition Primer Seater
AMP Annealer
21st Century Neck Turning Lathe
K&M Primer Pocket Uniformer
Sinclair Neck Mandrels
21st Century Concentricity Tool
Area 419 Powder Funnel Kit
Area 419 50 round magnum reloading tray

If I weren't a 'Poors' before...I'm getting there quickly.

At this particular junction in history it is far better to be gun rich and fiat currency poor.

 

[b2lee]

Being stuck in the maze...I found myself doing something today...that I laughed at once before....mocked even....but if it helps me at 1 mile...I'll try anything. I weighed and separated primers....yep...I admit it...this rabbit hole has a lock on me...and I'm going down down down!

 

[archangel485]

Being stuck in the maze...I found myself doing something today...that I laughed at once before....mocked even....but if it helps me at 1 mile...I'll try anything. I weighed and separated primers....yep...I admit it...this rabbit hole has a lock on me...and I'm going down down down!

hahaha, that is pretty far down! I tend to be about efficiency, and getting effective results the easiest and fastest way possible (call it laziness if you like, it's a fine line). Weighing primers is definitely beyond my willingness. As if there weren't enough options right now, there is always people coming up with a new method, new product, new cartridge etc, at some point you have to stop, be satisfied with your current results and just go shoot. Otherwise you may spend your entire life developing and improving and never actually enjoy the stuff you've got.