I own a 22 hornet and am looking to get a suppressor for it. If I have a decent grade suppressor, what kind of muzzle blast would this be on par with. 22LR? 22mag? I understand I will have a supersonic crack but it will drastically reduce the muzzle blast.
Suppressors how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
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Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
I have yet to thread one of my 22 Hornets, but if I had to guess I would say that with a quality 223 suppressor all you would hear would be the sonic crack.
I have yet to thread one of my 22 Hornets, but if I had to guess I would say that with a quality 223 suppressor all you would hear would be the sonic crack.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have yet to thread one of my 22 Hornets, but if I had to guess I would say that with a quality 223 suppressor all you would hear would be the sonic crack. </div></div>
thats it !!
my last form 1 can was built with the though of supressing my 22 K-Hornet and it does a great job , a little more muzzle blast than wanted but quieter than an unsuppressed 22 LR.
I had posted a pic of it here somplace
here are the specs , as you can see its a bit bigger than a normal 22LR can , if i were to do it again id probably use the same size just differant baffles
All aluminum is 7068 (yes 7068) and blast baffle is 316 SS
OAL is 7" , OD is 1.125" , tube ID is 1.000".
Tube is 6" , ID bored to match OD , wall thickness is .0625" +or- .0007"
The caps are threaded with 28 TPI and .375" thread length and bored out to add more volume , it uses 7 baffles , 6 K-baffles (5 aluminum and one 316 SS) and one coned washer on top of last K.
The 1/2x28 threads were cut while on the finished can and was indicated off the bore via 6" range rod
The baffles have .050" thick skirts , .062" thick necks and .062" thick faces , the baffle face has a .110" tall cone leading into the bore. The baffles are .996" in OD and have a tight-ish .25" bore that was bored concertic with the OD one baffle at a time (i had run into bore alignment issues one just deep drilling a bar and cutting baffles off of that)
For those not framiliar with 7068 Aluminum , it is exceptionaly strong and hard. I think this will make a better suppressor than 7075 and certainly better than 6061
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have yet to thread one of my 22 Hornets, but if I had to guess I would say that with a quality 223 suppressor all you would hear would be the sonic crack. </div></div>
thats it !!
my last form 1 can was built with the though of supressing my 22 K-Hornet and it does a great job , a little more muzzle blast than wanted but quieter than an unsuppressed 22 LR.
I had posted a pic of it here somplace
here are the specs , as you can see its a bit bigger than a normal 22LR can , if i were to do it again id probably use the same size just differant baffles
All aluminum is 7068 (yes 7068) and blast baffle is 316 SS
OAL is 7" , OD is 1.125" , tube ID is 1.000".
Tube is 6" , ID bored to match OD , wall thickness is .0625" +or- .0007"
The caps are threaded with 28 TPI and .375" thread length and bored out to add more volume , it uses 7 baffles , 6 K-baffles (5 aluminum and one 316 SS) and one coned washer on top of last K.
The 1/2x28 threads were cut while on the finished can and was indicated off the bore via 6" range rod
The baffles have .050" thick skirts , .062" thick necks and .062" thick faces , the baffle face has a .110" tall cone leading into the bore. The baffles are .996" in OD and have a tight-ish .25" bore that was bored concertic with the OD one baffle at a time (i had run into bore alignment issues one just deep drilling a bar and cutting baffles off of that)
For those not framiliar with 7068 Aluminum , it is exceptionaly strong and hard. I think this will make a better suppressor than 7075 and certainly better than 6061
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
We sent our 22 Hornet over to Silencerco to test out.
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We sent our 22 Hornet over to Silencerco to test out.
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Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
Another WTF moment in suppressor history...
I cannot tell why he is smiling at the end. Is he pleased that his can didn't blow up? Because he just proved that the sparrow on a .22 hornet is L-O-U-D, absurdly loud. Grab a calculator do the math, you have got to be kidding me, why would anybody post that video unless it was because it didn't blow up.
Mike, hand back the rifle and listen to this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKumzPqs6ig
Now that we know what 130 dB is, and now that we know that 3 more dB is almost a DOUBLING of that sound...want to suppress that round? Time to get real. Get a real HV .22 can and get suppression from the .17 to the .221 Fireball. You get what you pay for. Not enough volume to make suppression of that round competitive in that can/design.
Its an odd, odd world and getting stranger every damn day....
Another WTF moment in suppressor history...
I cannot tell why he is smiling at the end. Is he pleased that his can didn't blow up? Because he just proved that the sparrow on a .22 hornet is L-O-U-D, absurdly loud. Grab a calculator do the math, you have got to be kidding me, why would anybody post that video unless it was because it didn't blow up.
Mike, hand back the rifle and listen to this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKumzPqs6ig
Now that we know what 130 dB is, and now that we know that 3 more dB is almost a DOUBLING of that sound...want to suppress that round? Time to get real. Get a real HV .22 can and get suppression from the .17 to the .221 Fireball. You get what you pay for. Not enough volume to make suppression of that round competitive in that can/design.
Its an odd, odd world and getting stranger every damn day....
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
762, I think you are exactly right. One has a choice with the Hypers, either go for exact dedicated bore and get the smallest package, or go slightly overbore and make it up in volume (larger can). For that round, there are a number of makers that make dedicated hyper velocity .22+ cans and they are superb. Or, one can use a good .223 can recognizing that throwing any of the cheap powder and uncoated rimfires through them can cause issues.
762, I think you are exactly right. One has a choice with the Hypers, either go for exact dedicated bore and get the smallest package, or go slightly overbore and make it up in volume (larger can). For that round, there are a number of makers that make dedicated hyper velocity .22+ cans and they are superb. Or, one can use a good .223 can recognizing that throwing any of the cheap powder and uncoated rimfires through them can cause issues.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
If more then anything, it would serve that the Sparrow can survive a Hornet. I have shot the rifle with a lot of different suppressors, while a 223 suppressor might work well, it's not always desired. Should I post my video of a Sparrow handling a magazine dump of XM193?
If more then anything, it would serve that the Sparrow can survive a Hornet. I have shot the rifle with a lot of different suppressors, while a 223 suppressor might work well, it's not always desired. Should I post my video of a Sparrow handling a magazine dump of XM193?
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
I'd like to see that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Houston Armory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If more then anything, it would serve that the Sparrow can survive a Hornet. I have shot the rifle with a lot of different suppressors, while a 223 suppressor might work well, it's not always desired. Should I post my video of a Sparrow handling a magazine dump of XM193? </div></div>
I'd like to see that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Houston Armory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If more then anything, it would serve that the Sparrow can survive a Hornet. I have shot the rifle with a lot of different suppressors, while a 223 suppressor might work well, it's not always desired. Should I post my video of a Sparrow handling a magazine dump of XM193? </div></div>
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
Its about suppression, its about reduction, it about performance. Its about understanding the difference between quiet and quackery. It now appears that it <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> about the fact the can didn't structurally fail. Absolutely post it, I cleaned up my desk from the coffee that flew out my nose from the last one. I'm ready.
Can I shoot my 22Sparrow on my .223 or 5.56x45 rifle?
No. 22Sparrow and 22Sparrow S/S are intended for use on lower pressure rimfire cartridges (and 5.7x28 in 22Sparrow S/S only). Rifle pressures will damage the suppressor and void your warranty.
http://www.silencerco.com/?section=Support&page=FAQ#sparrow05
Its about suppression, its about reduction, it about performance. Its about understanding the difference between quiet and quackery. It now appears that it <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> about the fact the can didn't structurally fail. Absolutely post it, I cleaned up my desk from the coffee that flew out my nose from the last one. I'm ready.
Can I shoot my 22Sparrow on my .223 or 5.56x45 rifle?
No. 22Sparrow and 22Sparrow S/S are intended for use on lower pressure rimfire cartridges (and 5.7x28 in 22Sparrow S/S only). Rifle pressures will damage the suppressor and void your warranty.
http://www.silencerco.com/?section=Support&page=FAQ#sparrow05
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its about suppression, its about reduction, it about performance. Its about understanding the difference between quiet and quackery. It now appears that it <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> about the fact the can didn't structurally fail. </div></div>
I agree....One of the biggest suppressor "misconceptions" I see is the difference between "it will work" and "it is quiet" unfortunately most shooters have not heard the difference.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its about suppression, its about reduction, it about performance. Its about understanding the difference between quiet and quackery. It now appears that it <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> about the fact the can didn't structurally fail. </div></div>
I agree....One of the biggest suppressor "misconceptions" I see is the difference between "it will work" and "it is quiet" unfortunately most shooters have not heard the difference.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
A few more of these, and they wont be hearing much of anything.
A few more of these, and they wont be hearing much of anything.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
WOW, a lot of yap about how stupid it is using a sparrow on a 22 hornet, not one suggestion on a can that would be ideal.
I have a 221 fireball, how about a suggestion of a can for that. Not a 223 can please unless that is the only option.
Someone said there were some 22+ specialty cans for that, what are they?
WOW, a lot of yap about how stupid it is using a sparrow on a 22 hornet, not one suggestion on a can that would be ideal.
I have a 221 fireball, how about a suggestion of a can for that. Not a 223 can please unless that is the only option.
Someone said there were some 22+ specialty cans for that, what are they?
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
I have been thinking about doing something like this as well. I was thinking more along the lines of 90gr subsonic though... A custom can is going to be your best bet if you are not wanting a 223 can.
I have been thinking about doing something like this as well. I was thinking more along the lines of 90gr subsonic though... A custom can is going to be your best bet if you are not wanting a 223 can.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
Yap?
Somebody?
Ideal?
You got some great advice in dealing with the hyper .22s. What to consider and what NOT to consider.
Specifically, for my fireball, since late 90's, Stalker. These are built like .338 cans, all steel, all welded. Cheaper than a .223 can, weight appropriate.
Yap?
Somebody?
Ideal?
You got some great advice in dealing with the hyper .22s. What to consider and what NOT to consider.
Specifically, for my fireball, since late 90's, Stalker. These are built like .338 cans, all steel, all welded. Cheaper than a .223 can, weight appropriate.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WOW, a lot of yap about how stupid it is using a sparrow on a 22 hornet, not one suggestion on a can that would be ideal.
I have a 221 fireball, how about a suggestion of a can for that. Not a 223 can please unless that is the only option.
Someone said there were some 22+ specialty cans for that, what are they? </div></div>
Since the ammount of 22 hornet , 218 Bee , 221fireball all put together dont make up 1/3 as many 223's out their why would any manufacture make a can thats bigger the the 22 rim fire cans but not rated for a 223??
Their are some great 223 can out their for a realy good price , pic one and enjoy it.
http://www.htgsilencers.com/Products/Suppressors/Rifle_Suppressors/?ProductID=363
http://advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=192
http://www.swrmfg.com/Rifle-Suppressors/swr-wolverine.html
http://srtarms.com/
Their are just a few that are small thread mounts.
Or if you have access to a lathe or no sombody that does fill out the paperwork and build your own , you could make one 1.25" OD out of titanium for probably $200 puls the $200 stamp
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WOW, a lot of yap about how stupid it is using a sparrow on a 22 hornet, not one suggestion on a can that would be ideal.
I have a 221 fireball, how about a suggestion of a can for that. Not a 223 can please unless that is the only option.
Someone said there were some 22+ specialty cans for that, what are they? </div></div>
Since the ammount of 22 hornet , 218 Bee , 221fireball all put together dont make up 1/3 as many 223's out their why would any manufacture make a can thats bigger the the 22 rim fire cans but not rated for a 223??
Their are some great 223 can out their for a realy good price , pic one and enjoy it.
http://www.htgsilencers.com/Products/Suppressors/Rifle_Suppressors/?ProductID=363
http://advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=192
http://www.swrmfg.com/Rifle-Suppressors/swr-wolverine.html
http://srtarms.com/
Their are just a few that are small thread mounts.
Or if you have access to a lathe or no sombody that does fill out the paperwork and build your own , you could make one 1.25" OD out of titanium for probably $200 puls the $200 stamp
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
Whilst your "size matters" argument, may have some merit. I still opted for the Liberty Kodiak as my dedicated Hornet can, small gun, small caliber, small can. I didn't like the bigger heavier cans on a pipsqueek cartridge. And I own two 5.56 cans,,,
I will admit, there are a lot more .22 Hornet choices out there today. One of the new "Mini" cans, might make a good Hornet can? All it takes is money,,,
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Whilst your "size matters" argument, may have some merit. I still opted for the Liberty Kodiak as my dedicated Hornet can, small gun, small caliber, small can. I didn't like the bigger heavier cans on a pipsqueek cartridge. And I own two 5.56 cans,,,
I will admit, there are a lot more .22 Hornet choices out there today. One of the new "Mini" cans, might make a good Hornet can? All it takes is money,,,
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Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yap?
Somebody?
Ideal?
You got some great advice in dealing with the hyper .22s. What to consider and what NOT to consider.
Specifically, for my fireball, since late 90's, Stalker. These are built like .338 cans, all steel, all welded. Cheaper than a .223 can, weight appropriate.
</div></div>
Yap... i mean yep, I had just gotten off of the yap masters site and had yodle yaping on the brain.
Thanks for the info I will look into this can. I have a new bad habit and more cans is the only thing that will help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yap?
Somebody?
Ideal?
You got some great advice in dealing with the hyper .22s. What to consider and what NOT to consider.
Specifically, for my fireball, since late 90's, Stalker. These are built like .338 cans, all steel, all welded. Cheaper than a .223 can, weight appropriate.
</div></div>
Yap... i mean yep, I had just gotten off of the yap masters site and had yodle yaping on the brain.
Thanks for the info I will look into this can. I have a new bad habit and more cans is the only thing that will help.
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my last form 1 can was built with the though of supressing my 22 K-Hornet and it does a great job , a little more muzzle blast than wanted but quieter than an unsuppressed 22 LR. </div></div>
Sounds nice; a bit like my 17hmr can except I used step cone baffles and .035" tubing. I would have gone with .035" or .049" SS tubing like what I used for my 223 can.
I use my form 1 223 can for my 22 k-hornet and 17 Mach IV. My 17 hmr also fits on the larger 17Mach IV, but I am not willing to pressure test it like that yet.
Ranb
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my last form 1 can was built with the though of supressing my 22 K-Hornet and it does a great job , a little more muzzle blast than wanted but quieter than an unsuppressed 22 LR. </div></div>
Sounds nice; a bit like my 17hmr can except I used step cone baffles and .035" tubing. I would have gone with .035" or .049" SS tubing like what I used for my 223 can.
I use my form 1 223 can for my 22 k-hornet and 17 Mach IV. My 17 hmr also fits on the larger 17Mach IV, but I am not willing to pressure test it like that yet.
Ranb
Re: how quite is a 22 hornet with a suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
JJones75 said:]
Sounds nice; a bit like my 17hmr can except I used step cone baffles and .035" tubing. I would have gone with .035" or .049" SS tubing like what I used for my 223 can.
I use my form 1 223 can for my 22 k-hornet and 17 Mach IV. My 17 hmr also fits on the larger 17Mach IV, but I am not willing to pressure test it like that yet.
Ranb </div></div>
I actualy used 7068 for mine and have been really tempted to shoot a full house 223 through it to see what happens , just haven't got the balls to piss away $200 , we're in a depression( or recession or whatever)
The build specs and pics are here
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=78483
