How To Properly Clean Your Precision RIfle

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#1
Hello Everyone,

While perusing the forum I came upon a post where I took the following from:

"As far as cleaning, I don't use brushes as per info obtained here although it was a controversial subject. I use the "KG" cleaning system. Occasionally some shooters choice. But based on what I read I needed to do more shooting than cleaning."

This caused some questions, so I tried to so some advance searching on the matter. While it did produce 8 pages of related matter, non of the threads were even remotely titled as such, and I wasn't about to go through every post (If anyone has the link please post it).

Anyway, can anyone give me a brief synopsis on the difference between "shooters choice", and "KG cleaning"? Also, maybe expand a bit more on the last part of that quote "I need to do more shooting than Cleaning"?

Thanks in advance for your input,
Chris
 
#2
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Some tips.

Use a bore guide.

It's a good idea to use bolt grease behind bolt lugs and the cam area at back of bolt.

With the warmer cartridges sometimes a ring of carbon will form right in front of the chamber in the rifling.Some JB bore paste will take care of that or fire some Tubb bore conditioner bullets every 300 rounds or so.

If you let the cleaners soak for a little while vs running one patch after the other it might save some land wear.

I shoot some hot chamberings but I only clean once every 150 rounds and never clean up the bore perfectly anymore because there's going to be carbon and copper in the bore the very next time I shoot anyway.

Steve
 
#3
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Chris,

I'm guessing he's talking about just using different cleaners on patches, without brushes.

KG gun cleaners (great stuff, btw):
https://www.kgcoatings.com/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=24


Shooter's Choice:
http://www.shooters-choice.com/


As for the last line, he's realized that practice and skill matters more than spending an inordinate amount of time keeping his rifle spotless.
 
#4
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I use a boresnake. I put a little Hopes #9 solvent on the leading end and some sewing machine oil on the trailing end and it cleans up the rifle very nicely in no time at all. Just my 2 cents.
 
#5
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You Might not have looked in your search for “For Anal Gun Scrubbers" for a thread on cleaning
www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=770562&page=1


Solvent Test, just a note anything this fellow that goes by kombayotch investigates is first rate bordering on obsession.

www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1121125&page=1

It’s a religious issue options vary with each individual but there are some golden threads of wisdom that you can decide for yourself. My only suggestion is be consistent
 
#6
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KG is the best copper solvent i have ever used followed closely by Wipeout patchout. 150 rounds is a good number some people just shoot till accuracy drops off. Everytime i clean my no comp guns its a few patches then let it sit for a hour of so and a few more till the blue mostly goes away. Then i use a under sized brush with a patch and some jb or issoi paste on it for about 15-20 strokes rotate then 15-20 more. That gets the pesky carbon out of your bore and its a fairly easy way to clean. Like steve unless its a comp gun i never clean all the copper out u just try to get 90% of it. My comp guns never get anymore then 80-100 rounds before they are throughly cleaned. Oh and kroil is a must after i have ran a few dry patches through it i use 2 or 3 with a few drop of kroil to ensure all the cleaners are out and it makes it much easier to clean the next few times.
 
#7
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unsichtbar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Solvent Test, just a note anything this fellow that goes by kombayotch investigates is first rate bordering on obsession.

www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1121125&page=1
</div></div>

Lol!

I only use KG-12 now for barrel break-in or for de-coppering the bores of friends and relatives with factory tubes. With my regiment of BBS (and KG-2 every few hundred rounds), I don't get any copper buildup now. My reason for going with BBS is that I don't get a first round flyer with it like I do with some of the other stuff (particularly PatchOut).

For copper, KG-12 is simply the best.
 
#10
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I use wipeout on my AR's since I am lazy,

And on the other rifles I use Barnes CR. It works like a champ but you have to stay on top of it or its not pretty. Seems like the more copper in the bore the worse that stuff smells. I have used alot of the others and CR seems to do the best.
 
#11
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I clean as little as possible. When I do, it's a couple of passes with a nylon brush with Hoppes 9. Then a couple of wet patches and some dry patches. I wait a little while between each step to let the solvent work.

I usually get 500 rounds between cleanings. If it starts to open up before that, then I may go ahead and clean it. I do wipe down the bolt and receiver then lube them after every firing.

Militec 1 and TW25 grease are my preferred lubes.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotAGuru ⊕</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KG is the best copper solvent i have ever used followed closely by Wipeout patchout. 150 rounds is a good number some people just shoot till accuracy drops off. Everytime i clean my no comp guns its a few patches then let it sit for a hour of so and a few more till the blue mostly goes away. Then i use a under sized brush with a patch and some jb or issoi paste on it for about 15-20 strokes rotate then 15-20 more. That gets the pesky carbon out of your bore and its a fairly easy way to clean. Like steve unless its a comp gun i never clean all the copper out u just try to get 90% of it. My comp guns never get anymore then 80-100 rounds before they are throughly cleaned. Oh and kroil is a must after i have ran a few dry patches through it i use 2 or 3 with a few drop of kroil to ensure all the cleaners are out and it makes it much easier to clean the next few times. </div></div>

For some reason this method sounds very familiar to me.
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-Pat
 
#14
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O.K. I read the "Anal Gun Scrubbers" thread and I have a question. I can understand the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. I can also understand the theory of not cleaning until accuracy falls off...

But what is hard for me to contemplate is the thought of leaving all that carbon, dust, grit..ETC in the barrel for extended periods of time. Even if accuracy is still acceptable, the later has to be bad for the barrel, right?

I'm former USMC so as you can imagine, I am very anal about all my things, so my 5,000 rifle would be no different. Personally it would be extremely hard for me to deviate from cleaning the weapon each time I shoot (I do use KG products by the way).

However, if real proof... not theory can be proven regarding the above, I would be forced to chance my protocol. Can anyone confirm/deny the above with FACTUAL information?

Thanks in advance for your further input,
Chris
 
#17
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A 308 with a quality barrel can go 500 plus rounds between cleaning with remarkable accuracy. I have completely shot out 5 barrels on my Palma rifles cleaning every 700/750 rounds. Twice I have let it go over 1000 rounds and accuracy was falling off (X count was dropping) However I have shot nothing but Sierra 2155 SMK's and Varget powder. Lately I have been testing some different bullets/powders, you really need to stay on top of your cleaning with a program change.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: .308Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.......if real proof... not theory can be proven regarding the above, I would be forced to chance my protocol. Can anyone confirm/deny the above with FACTUAL information?</div></div>

The proof is in the pudding.

Clean your rifle spotless. Shoot four or five, five shot groups.

Don't clean it for the next 500 rounds. Shoot groups every 100 rounds or so.

See for yourself.

Honestly if you have the ability to fire foulers/sighters before every shooting session then it really doesn't matter. I don't have that ability. I need to know EXACTLY where that first shot is going to go. If my rifle was perfectly zeroed when i put it up, why would I want to change that by altering the condition of the bore?

I understand the desire to scrub it clean. I was indoctrinated into that in the Marine Corps as well. However the Corps has ruined many rifles.

I don't feel that PROPERLY cleaning your rifle after every range trip is going to harm it any. I just feel that it's wasted time and then wasted ammo to get it back to it's most accurate state.

As far as the carbon being in the barrel. There really is no difference between me firing 20 rounds on five different range sessions or firing 100 rounds in one range session. The amount of carbon in the barrel will be the same.

I just completed an LE Advanced school. I fired 413 rounds while I was there. I did not clean the barrel at all. I did clean the action and lube the bolt religiously. I shot a perfect score on every qualification, while many who cleaned their rifle the night before blew the cold bore shot.

I am a believer in a fouled bore.

Please note that a fouled bore and a dirty rifle are two VASTLY different animals.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: .308Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.......if real proof... not theory can be proven regarding the above, I would be forced to chance my protocol. Can anyone confirm/deny the above with FACTUAL information?</div></div>

The proof is in the pudding.

Clean your rifle spotless. Shoot four or five, five shot groups.

Don't clean it for the next 500 rounds. Shoot groups every 100 rounds or so.

See for yourself.

Honestly if you have the ability to fire foulers/sighters before every shooting session then it really doesn't matter. I don't have that ability. I need to know EXACTLY where that first shot is going to go. If my rifle was perfectly zeroed when i put it up, why would I want to change that by altering the condition of the bore?

I understand the desire to scrub it clean. I was indoctrinated into that in the Marine Corps as well. However the Corps has ruined many rifles.

I don't feel that PROPERLY cleaning your rifle after every range trip is going to harm it any. I just feel that it's wasted time and then wasted ammo to get it back to it's most accurate state.

As far as the carbon being in the barrel. There really is no difference between me firing 20 rounds on five different range sessions or firing 100 rounds in one range session. The amount of carbon in the barrel will be the same.

I just completed an LE Advanced school. I fired 413 rounds while I was there. I did not clean the barrel at all. I did clean the action and lube the bolt religiously. I shot a perfect score on every qualification, while many who cleaned their rifle the night before blew the cold bore shot.

I am a believer in a fouled bore.

Please note that a fouled bore and a dirty rifle are two VASTLY different animals. </div></div>

I totally understand and agree with what you have previous stated concerning cold bore shots and maintaining the barrel state.

My situation varies from yours right now. Unfortunately I'm not able to shoot as often as I'd like. Realistically it would take a month or so for me to get 100+ rounds down the barrel, and take 2-3 different range days to do so. In my situation, would it still be realistic to leave the carbon in there that long between cleanings? I would think that it would be a royal pain in the butt to get out once you finally decided to clean the bore.... Your thoughts?
 
#22
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is it normal to have orange streaks inside the barrel? this is my first rifle and i'm learning as a i go. i've used shooters choice and boretech and i can get the patches to come out all white, but there are still orange streaks... i'm freaking out if this is a problem from something i did when i first got the rifle (remington 700). i read the thing about let accuracy tell you, but i'm kinda anal about this right now.
 
#23
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the KG products are new to me and look very interesting. how expensive vis a vis volume needed to get it done? what iteir protocol if they have one? i have discovered bore tech and find it very effective.
 
#24
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Who says you need to clean it spotless every time?

If you are going to put it up for a couple of weeks, you can always run a couple of wet patches followed by several dry then a wet patch of #9 and let it sit.

#9 or shooters choice will not harm the bore if left in and they will protect the bore, before you go to the range run another wet patch followed by several dry patches.

I have been known to use a 50/50 mixture of marvel mystery oil and charcoal lighter fluid. works well on carbon.
 
#25
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Great information here on this thread. When I worked at a major bullet maker accuracy testing the production line, we would have to throw out the first two groups or so after cleaning a barrel due to the irregularities. I learned quickly that a dirty bore was rarely the cause of poor accuracy.
 
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