I chopped down a Ruger American. I bought an 18" Predator model. I would have bought the Hunter with the thicker barrel profile, but I didn't care for the color of the stock. I took it to Ed Vanden Berg at Vanden Berg Custom and asked him to chop the barrel down to whatever the legal length would be with a pinned and welded muzzle device. He did a fantastic job, and I couldn't be more pleased. I think the barrel got chopped down to 15", 16.5" with the P/W brake just for a little safety room for the alphabet gang. The rifle with the Ruger stock is very light and handy. However, the Ruger stock was a little janky, and the magazine wouldn't feed some of the crusty old milsurp .308 I have due to friction issues. The spring wasn't strong enough. The Hunter stock is heavier, but much more substantial and robust. And cooler looking. I've test fired it, but haven't put it on a bench for groups yet. I'm very excited to see what happens at longer range with heavy bullets in this 1/10" 15" barrel. Aside from playing around, this rifle will be used to keep critters out of the garden up to 300 yards. I think it will be sufficient. More importantly, it looks cool. And that's what matters.