Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome in a Corona/Biden/BLMTIFA World.

[WaltHer]

The "Why are people just now..." (and OldSalty's post showing the .80 9mm pricing) made me curious about how y'all are moving forward in the current conditions. I like KIR's post about running the .40. That's been my move also seeing as I kept all my .40s when all my friends were consolidating into 9mm. I also just sprung for a G44 .22lr to practice with. I mean, who didn't take AJ's advice after the last ammo shortage and buy 1000s of .22. I also appreciate all of the comments about rolling your own ammo in this time as a way to stay ballistically solvent.

A couple of other plans I have been setting in motion:
1) fill in the gaps on any weapon systems that you don't have fully up-and-running (slings, holsters, magazines, lights, etc.) Make sure everything you have is how you want it.
2) Cull the herd. Sold an unreliable SAIGA and some unreliable BVAC ammo for great $$$ at this weekend's gun show. If you won't bet your life on it, do you need to keep it? Put the money back into the other ideas mentioned.
3) Focus on other gaps in your plan. Do you have the NV, armor, equipment carriage, comms that you want? I figure most of us, besides The German, have room for improvement there.
4) Make sure all your existing systems are zeroed, functional, and GTG and you know what ammunition, if any, they prefer. I've spent all summer going through every system I own doing just this. I found four suppressors with varying problems, two rifles with problems, and shot a fabulous group on a FAL I wrenched together a decade ago and never really bothered with. My notes on the FAL say that I haven't even shot it since 2011.
5) Sometimes just paying bitch-prices for stuff that I really want, because, in the end, there are people who have shit, and everybody else...Haven't quite jumped on your recommendation, Salty. I mean, there are bitch prices, and then there are BITCH PRICES.

What innovative ideas, actions, are working for you?

 

[eastexsteve]

I've pretty much done what you did. Though, I think I live in a part of the country that will be the last to see any infringement by BLM/ANTIFA or a rogue government. However, that doesn't make it any easier to buy guns or ammo. As such, I'm stocked up. And, I have a good selection of arms that shoot milspec ammo. Everything is tuned up, sighted in, and ready to go. I've still kept all the consumables stocked up from the covid thing, and I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere. I have a generator big enough to run the whole house, and enough fuel to last over a week straight. Many weeks longer if I only run it as needed. If anything happens, it will happen in the big metropolitan areas first. Though, I no longer carry just a handgun when I go into town.

What I fear more than anything is a civil war against a rogue government. There aren't enough willing members of the armed forces to take on all the gun-toting rednecks, but I bet the Chinese and/or the UN would be more than willing to step in and give the Biden administration a helping hand rounding up all the insurgents. This is what keeps me up at night.

 

[Nimothy]

I've pretty much done what you did. Though, I think I live in a part of the country that will be the last to see any infringement by BLM/ANTIFA or a rogue government. However, that doesn't make it any easier to buy guns or ammo. As such, I'm stocked up. And, I have a good selection of arms that shoot milspec ammo. Everything is tuned up, sighted in, and ready to go. I've still kept all the consumables stocked up from the covid thing, and I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere. I have a generator big enough to run the whole house, and enough fuel to last over a week straight. Many weeks longer if I only run it as needed. If anything happens, it will happen in the big metropolitan areas first. Though, I no longer carry just a handgun when I go into town.

What I fear more than anything is a civil war against a rogue government. There aren't enough willing members of the armed forces to take on all the gun-toting rednecks, but I bet the Chinese and/or the UN would be more than willing to step in and give the Biden administration a helping hand rounding up all the insurgents. This is what keeps me up at night.

While I share your fear buddy to some extent. What I fear most is the police in their armored trucks..... that’s who the government is going to send to force you to comply. Not the armed forces. All the thin blue liners need to realize that. Especially in states/jurisdictions that already enforce no knock warrants and red flag laws. Those places will be first but the overwhelming majority of large city’s will follow suit even in deep red states. Federal police will come for you small town boys (Remember when the supposed conservative Champion, ol navy seal himself Crenshaw pushed for them?) remember people POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND IF YOURE A GUN OWNER. THEY ARE THE STRONG RIGHT HAND OF YOUR WOULD BE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT! I don’t care if you or your buddy you know say they won’t enforce those type laws. If you’re not lying to yourself i promise your whole department wont feel the same way you do. And you’ll/they’ll be replaced by someone who will do what they want. Furthermore I’m willing to bet the cops that are avid gun owners will the first to turn in what their bosses deem illegal (they won’t care they have their duty rig)


Now I’ve been banned from threads before for “cop bashing” I want y’all to realize I know we have a need for police and I understand they have a tough job (they signed up and get handsomely paid for it) but they are order followers they enforce laws everyday that I’m sure the police members of this forum don’t agree with. The fact is they STILL ENFORCE THEM against their fellow citizens. Think about it. They shoot people in fear for their lives and use the excuse they just want to get home to their families...... what happens when they either enforce the law or don’t feed that same family?

 

[hankpac]

I've pretty much done what you did. Though, I think I live in a part of the country that will be the last to see any infringement by BLM/ANTIFA or a rogue government. However, that doesn't make it any easier to buy guns or ammo. As such, I'm stocked up. And, I have a good selection of arms that shoot milspec ammo. Everything is tuned up, sighted in, and ready to go. I've still kept all the consumables stocked up from the covid thing, and I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere. I have a generator big enough to run the whole house, and enough fuel to last over a week straight. Many weeks longer if I only run it as needed. If anything happens, it will happen in the big metropolitan areas first. Though, I no longer carry just a handgun when I go into town.

What I fear more than anything is a civil war against a rogue government. There aren't enough willing members of the armed forces to take on all the gun-toting rednecks, but I bet the Chinese and/or the UN would be more than willing to step in and give the Biden administration a helping hand rounding up all the insurgents. This is what keeps me up at night.

Your last paragraph is well taken. don't forget that there really ARE sleeper cells, and training camps of Muslims all over this country, and they are waiting to roll out a formidable and experienced guerilla force, that will be a lot more trouble to root out than a bunch of sissy Antifas (except Antifa/BLM cadre)

 

[Nimothy]

@eastexsteve https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/god-bless-our-texas-governor.7026897/ this is what happens when your local jurisdictions don’t comply

 

[pmclaine]

Well equipped with three other household members that have no desire to learn how to use any equipment.

Surrounded.

Have gear.

Needs recruits.

 

[OldSalty2]

Oh dude, I get that is a ugly price. I only posted it because there might be people who need to pay that price for a variety of reasons...and 9mm can be a bit difficult to find these days. And when you do it goes pretty fast. Plus not everyone here is technically savvy, so they may not have alerts set up etc.

Your list is pretty solid IMO. Id add...

Have escape routes and fallback points where you can regroup.

With the above, have large duffle bags at the ready to dump supplies. Food, ammo, ect. There was a thread on this.

Coordinate this fallback with family and whatever group of friends etc. Even if seperated, the group knows where to roll.

 

[Mwalex]

My plans have not changed due to the current happenings. I came up with a plan a few years ago and have tried to stick with it, plan for the worst and hope for the best.

 

[hunter1959]

I've pretty much done what you did. Though, I think I live in a part of the country that will be the last to see any infringement by BLM/ANTIFA or a rogue government. However, that doesn't make it any easier to buy guns or ammo. As such, I'm stocked up. And, I have a good selection of arms that shoot milspec ammo. Everything is tuned up, sighted in, and ready to go. I've still kept all the consumables stocked up from the covid thing, and I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere. I have a generator big enough to run the whole house, and enough fuel to last over a week straight. Many weeks longer if I only run it as needed. If anything happens, it will happen in the big metropolitan areas first. Though, I no longer carry just a handgun when I go into town.

What I fear more than anything is a civil war against a rogue government. There aren't enough willing members of the armed forces to take on all the gun-toting rednecks, but I bet the Chinese and/or the UN would be more than willing to step in and give the Biden administration a helping hand rounding up all the insurgents. This is what keeps me up at night.

I agree with you... have you read Mat Bracken's trilogy? you might give them a look... good reads if you want to get in the right frame of mind as to what could happen... but think Mexican troops in the southwest and UN troops in the east and midwest...

 

[skinney_7]

What innovative ideas, actions, are working for you?

I like your points. I personally have been stock piling 9 ammo for a few years, along with powder and primers. I do get a fair amount of shooting in, little handgun, carbine and some LR work.

I recently got an FX IMPACT MKII, from Utah Airguns in .25 caliber, completely insane for trigger time, quietness and precision... I'm still mind blown how well this rifle shoots. My thoughts were trigger time, without burning up ammo. Not to mention its a hammer on the dove, we've killed over 150 so far with it from 30-80 yards.

 

[eastexsteve]

Your last paragraph is well taken. don't forget that there really ARE sleeper cells, and training camps of Muslims all over this country, and they are waiting to roll out a formidable and experienced guerilla force, that will be a lot more trouble to root out than a bunch of sissy Antifas (except Antifa/BLM cadre)

I forgot about the muslims. It wouldn't surprise me if that faction suddenly became great allies with a Biden administration. They already have representation in congress! If Biden is elected, they will be coming to ROOT US OUT!

 

[eastexsteve]

Now I’ve been banned from threads before for “cop bashing” I want y’all to realize I know we have a need for police and I understand they have a tough job (they signed up and get handsomely paid for it) but they are order followers they enforce laws everyday that I’m sure the police members of this forum don’t agree with. The fact is they STILL ENFORCE THEM against their fellow citizens. Think about it. They shoot people in fear for their lives and use the excuse they just want to get home to their families...... what happens when they either enforce the law or don’t feed that same family?

I agree. I'm on one of the county advisory boards here, and I always ask the local law what they are going to do when they are told to enforce fed laws. They always respond with: "See any feds around?" Then, I respond citing your points. Just look at the cops that arrested the 17 year-old kid who shot rioters with an AR while defending himself. I doubt any of them wanted to be the one to arrest him. But, "they were just doing their job."

It really scares me that most people really don't have any idea what can happen in this country after November. My wife still works in public education, and most of them don't have a clue. I tell them to just wait until Biden is elected, and socialism takes over. They are all teachers, and if they say the wrong thing, they will be the first ones shipped off to the re-education camps.

 

[Nimothy]

I agree. I'm on one of the county advisory boards here, and I always ask the local law what they are going to do when they are told to enforce fed laws. They always respond with: "See any feds around?" Then, I respond citing your points. Just look at the cops that arrested the 17 year-old kid who shot rioters with an AR while defending himself. I doubt any of them wanted to be the one to arrest him. But, "they were just doing their job."

It really scares me that most people really don't have any idea what can happen in this country after November. My wife still works in public education, and most of them don't have a clue. I tell them to just wait until Biden is elected, and socialism takes over. They are all teachers, and if they say the wrong thing, they will be the first ones shipped off to the re-education camps.

I’m in Dallas and it baffles me any real Texans (people that have lived here multiple decades) that vote for the “rights of the group” over the rights of the individual. I’ve never understood unions or any of that. I believe in individual liberty.
As for the just doing their job with teachers it seems none of them like standardized tests in Texas yet they still teach the curriculum...... the police in your town will be replaced by troopers Abbott is already doing it in Austin, it’s wrong even if it is right in that instance

 

[eastexsteve]

the police in your town will be replaced by troopers Abbott is already doing it in Austin, it’s wrong even if it is right in that instance

That happens more often than you think. I've seen it happen before in a small jerkwater town in Texas, and it recently happened in a small Louisiana town just across the river from me. In both instances, the local cops were corrupt, and state came in and took over the policing. Eventually, the county came in and took it over from the state.

 

[Samuel Whittemore]

2) Cull the herd. Sold an unreliable SAIGA and some unreliable BVAC ammo for great $$$ at this weekend's gun show. If you won't bet your life on it, do you need to keep it? Put the money back into the other ideas mentioned.

Good point. Made me stop n think.... 90% I don't use nor will I ever. From Mossins to M1 Half of them I bought with the brilliant idea that when shit goes South I have something to barter with. But really, when shit goes South and there's not a lot of time to waste getting outta Dodge --I'm not hanging around to barter. I'll take my favs, the ammo and reloading and be gone. --- Gunbroker time! Yea...

 

[eastexsteve]

Good point. Made me stop n think.... 90% I don't use nor will I ever. From Mossins to M1 Half of them I bought with the brilliant idea that when shit goes South I have something to barter with.

Good point. Made me stop n think.... 90% I don't use nor will I ever. From Mossins to M1 Half of them I bought with the brilliant idea that when shit goes South I have something to barter with.

No, you have something to fight with if you somehow end up losing your favorite weapons. They will be looking to confiscate the "mean" AR type guns first. That old M14/M1a you have hanging on the wall in a glass case that you can take out an enemy with at 600+ yds may just look like a harmless museum piece to the average deputy dawg.

 

[Nimothy]

No, you have something to fight with if you somehow end up losing your favorite weapons. They will be looking to confiscate the "mean" AR type guns first. That old M14/M1a you have hanging on the wall in a glass case that you can take out an enemy with at 600+ yds may just look like a harmless museum piece to the average deputy dawg.

That gun has been on every list. We as a whole need to stop underestimating these people. They aren’t as stupid as we’d hope

 

[eastexsteve]

That gun [M14/M1A] has been on every list. We as a whole need to stop underestimating these people. They aren’t as stupid as we’d hope

Sure, I would think most LE knows what they are. But, I'd be willing to bet that many of them tasked with confiscation are going to go by "looks" rather than what's on a list. For example, the Louisiana cop mentioned in another thread that thought a 1911 pistol had a "decocker."

 

[Nimothy]

Sure, I would think most LE knows what they are. But, I'd be willing to bet that many of them tasked with confiscation are going to go by "looks" rather than what's on a list. For example, the Louisiana cop mentioned in another thread that thought a 1911 pistol had a "decocker."

It’s not those cops we should worry about as much it’s the cops replacing the cops like we said before buddy. When I was younger I thought having a suppressor would be the cats pajamas now me and every one else that values our hearing are on lists. And make no mistake they will take everything firearm related for nothing more than the photo op. The atf literally posts these pictures on insta

 

[eastexsteve]

It’s not those cops we should worry about as much it’s the cops replacing the cops..

But, where are all these "replacement" cops going to come from? There aren't that many federal agents. The feds always rely on local authorities to do their heavy lifting for them. And, there aren't enough willing armed forces members to take on all the gun-toting rednecks. Which, I suppose leads me to my biggest fear of the rogue government bringing in the Chinese, UN forces, or some other outside entity to fight their battle for them.

 

[OldSalty2]

But, where are all these "replacement" cops going to come from? There aren't that many federal agents. The feds always rely on local authorities to do their heavy lifting for them. And, there aren't enough willing armed forces members to take on all the gun-toting rednecks. Which, I suppose leads me to my biggest fear of the rogue government bringing in the Chinese, UN forces, or some other outside entity to fight their battle for them.

Ask her...

 

[Nimothy]

But, where are all these "replacement" cops going to come from? There aren't that many federal agents. The feds always rely on local authorities to do their heavy lifting for them. And, there aren't enough willing armed forces members to take on all the gun-toting rednecks. Which, I suppose leads me to my biggest fear of the rogue government bringing in the Chinese, UN forces, or some other outside entity to fight their battle for them.

You trust Texas dot vs. your local East Texas precinct? And when they don’t work that’s when fed come in. They won’t turn our army/marines against us. Maybe the national guard. But from the pictures of the ones daddy trump deployed, they look about like the chaz folk. The next question arises how many of those rednecks are going to stand true in front of a mrap? My guess is HARDLY ANY. The point I’m trying to make Is we as gun owners need to take a stand NO MORE GUN LAWS. REPEAL THE NFA. We should treat it like those blm clowns and make a tons of wild demands so the government will settle for what we really want. Individual freedom

 

[eastexsteve]

You trust Texas dot vs. your local East Texas precinct? And when they don’t work that’s when fed come in.

I trust the Texas DPS a lot more than I trust the feds. And, like the feds, there really aren't that many of them, either. Texas is a big state, and they are spread pretty thin.

They won’t turn our army/marines against us. Maybe the national guard. But from the pictures of the ones daddy trump deployed, they look about like the chaz folk.

Hey, we are talking socialist/communist democrats here. I wouldn't put it past them. But, I don't think many of the armed forces would participate.

The next question arises how many of those rednecks are going to stand true in front of a mrap? My guess is HARDLY ANY.

I hope that isn't the case. The rednecks down here are very anti-government. Besides, the rednecks would have the advantage.

 

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