Interesting comparison on life expectancy

[Maggot]

Notice how the areas that voted 'blue' tend to correspond with a longer life expectancy. Those liberal faggots must be on to something. And the poorest economic areas have the shortest....Too many Big Mac's I reckon.

What'cha having for breakfast?

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UW researchers map widening gap in life expectancy and call for policy changes

[IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/s.yimg.com\/uu\/api\/res\/1.2\/e3FRnZRpTUmlNCUk1FUINg--\/aD00NTI7dz02MzA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--\/http:\/\/media.zenfs.com\/en-US\/homerun\/geekwire_312\/fe449fcfc6c4da0daf5339f8c39caae2"}[/IMG2]This chart maps the lows and the highs in average life expectancy as of 2014. (Dwyer-Lindgren et al., UW / IHME via JAMA Internal Medicine)
A county-by-county survey of U.S. life expectancy reports a 20-year gap between the lows and the highs – a gap that correlates with socioeconomic factors, race and ethnicity, and the availability of health care as well as preventable risk factors such as obesity and smoking.

The study, conducted by researchers at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation and published in JAMA Internal Medicine, suggests that the gap is widening.

“This is way worse than any of us had assumed,” UW professor Ali Mokdad, who leads U.S. county health research at the institute, told The Guardian.

A cluster of counties in Colorado showed the highest life expectancy in 2014, with Summit County topping the list (86.8 years). South Dakota’s Oglala Lakota County reported the lowest average (66.8 years), a figure comparable to life expectancies in Sudan and Iraq.

The good news is that nearly all counties registered gains in life expectancy between 1980 and 2014. The bad news is that the high-vs.-low gap has widened over those 34 years, and that 13 counties registered declines in expected lifespans.

The low-lifespan counties were concentrated in Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama and several states along the Mississippi River.

In a news release, lead author Laura Dwyer-Lindgren said “looking at life expectancy on a national level masks the massive differences that exist at the local level, especially in a country as diverse as the United States.”

She and her colleagues found that preventable risk factors explained 74 percent of the variation in longevity. Socioeconomic factors were independently related to 60 percent of the inequality, and access to health care explained 27 percent. (The figures add up to more than 100 percent because multiple factors can be involved in mortality.)

Mokdad said the survey demonstrates “an urgent imperative, that policy changes at all levels are gravely needed to reduce inequity in the health of Americans.”

“Federal, state, and local health departments need to invest in programs that work and engage their communities in disease prevention and health promotion,” he said.

You can check the figures for your own county on this interactive map. For what it’s worth, the 2014 average for life expectancy in Washington state’s King County is 81.4 years, which is a couple of years above the average for Washington state (80 years) and the nation as a whole (79.1 years).

Earlier studies have gotten even more granular about disparities in longevity. Last year, an analysis of mortality data found that within King County, residents of West Bellevue recorded the highest average life expectancy (86.2 years), while the lowest figure (76.6 years) came from South Auburn.

 

[P-Squared]

“an urgent imperative, that policy changes at all levels are gravely needed to reduce inequity in the health of Americans.” - It's that damned white privilege again. Guess what is going to happen next?

 

[pmclaine]

Its economics not politics and it just so happens that in addition to those blue areas having the wealth to buy health they also like to think they are smart enough to tell you what to do and how to live your life.

 

[Maggot]

“an urgent imperative, that policy changes at all levels are gravely needed to reduce inequity in the health of Americans.” - It's that damned white privilege again. Guess what is going to happen next?

I think it has less to do with white 'privilege', as those statistics tend to cut past racial lines, as opposed to some being more educated about making wise choices. There is also the economic factor that often, in the poorest area, there are few grocery stores so folks tend to buy at convenience stores, which is more expensive, and thus exacerbates both the the econ problem and crappy food choices.Slim Jim as opposed to good food.

I should hope it would be along the lines of 'education', but..........

 

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reason life expectancy is lower in the south is no mystery.......

Breakfast:


Lunch:


Dinner:

 

[Maggot]

reason life expectancy is lower in the south is no mystery.......

Breakfast:


Lunch:


Dinner:

Cha Ching. Not to mention a myriad of other poor choices.

"But it tastes so good."

 

[MtnCreek]

Y'all go ahead an enjoy that extra 10 years of tofu and bean sprouts.

 

[Maggot]

Y'all go ahead an enjoy that extra 10 years of tofu and bean sprouts.

Bean sprouts are actually pretty good. Tofu on the other hand is revolting, not to mention really not good for ya....tends to make higher estrogen levels which leads to increased breast size and shrinking testicles.

While we laugh, a healthier diet not only leads to a longer life, but a healthier one, with less burgeoning medical expenses.

 

[oneshot86]

my thoughts exactly...

 

[oneshot86]

damn good find maggot, i played with the map a little and mortality was really similar with choices of percentage of obesity, lack of physical activity, and a splash of smoking...
wow...

 

[supercorndogs]

Its economics not politics and it just so happens that in addition to those blue areas having the wealth to buy health they also like to think they are smart enough to tell you what to do and how to live your life.

I don't know. When I was reading the article last night, only about a 1/4 of it is here, I got the impression, they estimate the life expectancy, and one of the criteria is, "people's access to health care'" I.E by the states participation in Obamacare. I guess that explains why the bluer the state, the bluer the state.

"She and her colleagues found that preventable risk factors explained 74 percent of the variation in longevity. Socioeconomic factors were independently related to 60 percent of the inequality, and access to health care explained 27 percent. (The figures add up to more than 100 percent because multiple factors can be involved in mortality.)"



It seems usually when I see this word "Socioeconomic" some bullshit is about to be flowin.

 

[Maggot]

I don't know. When I was reading the article last night, only about a 1/4 of it is here, I got the impression, they estimate the life expectancy, and one of the criteria is, "people's access to health care'" I.E by the states participation in Obamacare. I guess that explains why the bluer the state, the bluer the state.

"She and her colleagues found that preventable risk factors explained 74 percent of the variation in longevity. Socioeconomic factors were independently related to 60 percent of the inequality, and access to health care explained 27 percent. (The figures add up to more than 100 percent because multiple factors can be involved in mortality.)"



It seems usually when I see this word "Socioeconomic" some bullshit is about to be flowin.

Sometimes but not always. Consider: You live in the inner city with no car. The nearest grocery store is 3 miles, and a 45 minute/$3 dollar bus ride. Youve got 3 kids at home. The 7/11 is on every other corner. The food is garbage, and the price is outrageous, but where are you likely to go when youre hungry and tired.

Im not making excuses but you have to consider all the factors.

 

[Nik H]

I don't know. When I was reading the article last night, only about a 1/4 of it is here, I got the impression, they estimate the life expectancy, and one of the criteria is, "people's access to health care'" I.E by the states participation in Obamacare. I guess that explains why the bluer the state, the bluer the state.

"She and her colleagues found that preventable risk factors explained 74 percent of the variation in longevity. Socioeconomic factors were independently related to 60 percent of the inequality, and access to health care explained 27 percent. (The figures add up to more than 100 percent because multiple factors can be involved in mortality.)"



It seems usually when I see this word "Socioeconomic" some bullshit is about to be flowin.

Not just access to healthcare but the willingness to use it in a preventative way. That is the takeaway from the article. Many of the cancers, heart disease and stroke that lead to an early demise are totally preventable through early detection and changes to habits (smoking, no exercise, horrific diet, etc.). If you have access to healthcare but choose to only use it when sick; your life expectancy is really no different than someone who doesn't have access to health care ...all other factors being equal of course.

 

[BoilerUP]

It should not be a shock that areas where people are most active and eat less processed food have longer life expectancy than areas where people are less active and eat more garbage.

Alaska was the biggest surprise on that chart for me...but again, should not be surprising.

 

[Maggot]

Good find, thought it would be interesting to put the two charts together.

 

[diverdon]

5pt5Rookie, you make excellent points, expecially about the coming of AI. Any one with a middle class job should be putting 25% into long term savings and investments, even if they have to drive a junker for a car. When the AI arrives, your gonna want to be in the 5%.

 

[tnichols]

Would be curious to know if the red counties in the Dakotas are reservations.

 

[BoilerUP]

Would be curious to know if the red counties in the Dakotas are reservations.

Yes, they are.

 

[tnichols]

Figured as much.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Would be curious to know if the red counties in the Dakotas are reservations.

I was still reading the thread when I came across your question.
I had already planned to point out that exact thing.
Yes, those are exactly where the reservations are located.
If you've ever been in the areas, you would see some of the poorest living conditions in our country.
Very sad

 

[Tucker301]

What's the explanation for the patches of red in specific counties in ND and SD?
Indian reservations?

 

[Mike Casselton]

Tucker,
check out my post above yours.

edit;
Clockwise from the top,
1. Standing Rock
2. Lower Brule
3. (Can't remember, but Wounded Knee is there)
4. Pine Ridge

 

[Mike Casselton]

Plenty of non Indians live on the standing rock.
If they didn't live there, the mortality rate would be much higher per capita

 

[Tucker301]

Ha. I need to read more.

 

[Rthur]

Some of these areas will have a high meth usage.

R

 

[Maggot]

Yep. "Food Deserts" are real problem.

You also have to consider the long term effects of constant permeant stress. Not the "gee things were busy at work today" kind of stress, but the "an eviction notice on the door have no idea where I'm going to get food to feed my kids tonight" kind of stress. The stress of a kid wondering how he can get to school and back without getting shot or stabbed. I've been dirt poor in my life, and now I'm in a phase of my life where I am a lot more well off. Might end up dirt poor again someday when I'm old. Who knows. But I can tell you that being fundamentally financially insecure is seriously more stressful than a busy day at work.

Also, the poor tend to work shittier jobs, exposed to more hazards, harder on the body. An adult life of construction work can really fuckup a body.

Sure, lots of really bad health choices too. But people that no longer think there is any hope in their lives tend to make more self-destructive choices. Look at the opioid epidemic in the Appalachia. Those Hillbillies are killing themselves by the 100s a day by the needle.

We will never have manufacturing jobs like we had in the 50s and 60s again (except for maybe robots). Coal isn't coming back regardless of regulations. Just wait until AI hits with a vengeance and middle America joins the Blue Collar in obsolescence. In 40 years America will be 15% wealthy near-royalty rent-seekers being serviced by an 85% near-serf working poor. I don't see any easy solutions.

Very astute, frightening, observations.

 

[Snipe260]

Would be curious to know if the red counties in the Dakotas are reservations.

Yea, Captain morgans still killing their ass!

 

[supercorndogs]

Sometimes but not always. Consider: You live in the inner city with no car. The nearest grocery store is 3 miles, and a 45 minute/$3 dollar bus ride. Youve got 3 kids at home. The 7/11 is on every other corner. The food is garbage, and the price is outrageous, but where are you likely to go when youre hungry and tired.

Im not making excuses but you have to consider all the factors.

So are the estimates for life expectancy also based on hypothetical feel bad scenarios?

 

[Maggot]

So are the estimates for life expectancy also based on hypothetical feel bad scenarios?

Somehow, with a name like, not just corn dogs, but "Super Corn Dogs" that statement doesnt surprise me.

Cut back on those nitrates.

 

[supercorndogs]

Somehow, with a name like, not just corn dogs, but "Super Corn Dogs" that statement doesnt surprise me.

Cut back on those nitrates.

Thats not a statement, that is a question, illuminating that what you wrote in the first place has nothing to do with the point I made. The point being extrapolated data that seeks to quantify future events through bull shit parameters, such as "people's access to healthcare" is mostly useless page filler.

The funniest thing about your statements is that supercorndogs has nothing to do with battered and fried hot dogs. Anyone who has seen my organic no till garden would be laughing their ass off at you about me eating too many nitrates. I wont even give nitrate nitrogen to my plants. Calcium facilitates high prix in plants. Calcium builds cells and bolsters cell division.

By point of "people's access to health care," I mean its too vague to quantify.

 

[Maggot]

Thats not a statement, that is a question, illuminating that what you wrote in the first place has nothing to do with the point I made. The point being extrapolated data that seeks to quantify future events through bull shit parameters, such as "people's access to healthcare" is mostly useless page filler.

The funniest thing about your statements is that supercorndogs has nothing to do with battered and fried hot dogs. Anyone who has seen my organic no till garden would be laughing their ass off at you about me eating too many nitrates. I wont even give nitrate nitrogen to my plants. Calcium facilitates high prix in plants. Calcium builds cells and bolsters cell division.

By point of "people's access to health care," I mean its too vague to quantify.

I was messing with you.

Organic, no till??? Im envious...Id like to learn...seriously. Got any photos. Are you using raised beds? Ive been getting into edible landscaping, Many fruit trees and this year I got two stands of bees.

As to the "access to health care" Id agree in part, though Id change it to " Access to valid knowledge about diet." If you eat wisely, that will eliminate huge portions of 'health care'. But that said, I cant see how better access to GOOD health care could not be of benefit. Prevention is preferable to cure.

But then there is knowing, and doing. I can know that drinking two 16 oz Cokes a day will facilitate trips to the dentist but not be able to resist.

So we may be closer than you think on that.

 

[pmclaine]

Alaska was the biggest surprise on that chart for me...but again, should not be surprising.

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but does the Alaska change mean life expectancy went from 45 yoa to 65 yoa? Still well below national average but a big change for AK?

Not saying that's what happened just wondering. Numbers used are just for example.

 

[BoilerUP]

but does the Alaska change mean life expectancy went from 45 yoa to 65 yoa? Still well below national average but a big change for AK?

That would be my take on it. It appears northern Alaska is now right at the national average of 76ish while center Alaska is still just below the average at 74-75.

I'm no doctor, don't play one on TV and didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night...but if I had to guess, I would suspect better availability & quality of health care services in the great white north contributed to the double-digit percentage increase in life expectancy.

 

[supercorndogs]

I was messing with you.

Organic, no till??? Im envious...Id like to learn...seriously. Got any photos. Are you using raised beds? Ive been getting into edible landscaping, Many fruit trees and this year I got two stands of bees.

As to the "access to health care" Id agree in part, though Id change it to " Access to valid knowledge about diet." If you eat wisely, that will eliminate huge portions of 'health care'. But that said, I cant see how better access to GOOD health care could not be of benefit. Prevention is preferable to cure.

But then there is knowing, and doing. I can know that drinking two 16 oz Cokes a day will facilitate trips to the dentist but not be able to resist.

So we may be closer than you think on that.

LOL.

You tube is your friend if you want to learn anything about gardening. Don't discount all the pot growers either. The goofy boots industry is driving knowledge of soil microbiology and organic bio stimulants to a new level, and old knowledge stuff like dressing with alfalfa hay is not only being proven to be beneficial, but they are figuring out why.

I was in my basement last night looking at some compost tea with my microscope. I was watching this protozoa eating bacteria of a fungal hyphae. Thinking I wish I could take some micro-scope pics, and wondering if anyone else here was interested in being a master gardener.

I am in the ground because I get irrigation water. Right now its just a patch of hay mulch, and some cover crops. This summer when the cherokee purples start getting big and beautiful [god willing, the harder I work the more he wills it to grow for me] I might start a thread. We have about 10 grape vines and two big mulberry trees. We are adding strawberry and mint patches, raspberries, blackberries, and Red Haven peach trees. This is only my second year at this place. I hope our tenants are enjoying my patch from our old house. The old man that owned it left me some pretty good top soil, and a lot of food giving plants.

I would agree people are not learning the essentials about diet, not just what to eat, but how much. How many calories they burn and intake.

There are biological aspects to health also. My wife drinks a couple cokes per day. Both of us are in our early 30s and have never had a cavity. She was raised on junk food. Interestingly though, her family came from the area of the south the life expectancy was lowest, and have very little knowledge of good diet, and my family moved back to Colorado when all those pesky 49ers started showing up in California. And my mom is a dietitian.

 

[Rthur]

LOL.

You tube is your friend if you want to learn anything about gardening. Don't discount all the pot growers either. The goofy boots industry is driving knowledge of soil microbiology and organic bio stimulants to a new level, and old knowledge stuff like dressing with alfalfa hay is not only being proven to be beneficial, but they are figuring out why.

I was in my basement last night looking at some compost tea with my microscope. I was watching this protozoa eating bacteria of a fungal hyphae. Thinking I wish I could take some micro-scope pics, and wondering if anyone else here was interested in being a master gardener.

I am in the ground because I get irrigation water. Right now its just a patch of hay mulch, and some cover crops. This summer when the cherokee purples start getting big and beautiful [god willing, the harder I work the more he wills it to grow for me] I might start a thread. We have about 10 grape vines and two big mulberry trees. We are adding strawberry and mint patches, raspberries, blackberries, and Red Haven peach trees. This is only my second year at this place. I hope our tenants are enjoying my patch from our old house. The old man that owned it left me some pretty good top soil, and a lot of food giving plants.

I would agree people are not learning the essentials about diet, not just what to eat, but how much. How many calories they burn and intake.

There are biological aspects to health also. My wife drinks a couple cokes per day. Both of us are in our early 30s and have never had a cavity. She was raised on junk food. Interestingly though, her family came from the area of the south the life expectancy was lowest, and have very little knowledge of good diet, and my family moved back to Colorado when all those pesky 49ers started showing up in California. And my mom is a dietitian.

SCD,
This is something to study for soil fertility.
CEC- Cation Exchange Capacity

R

 

[TheGerman]

I fully believe that within the next 10 years we'll see something that will extend lifespan. With any luck, by the time that span is nearing an end, there will be something else as well.

I have absolutely zero problems living to be 300.

 

[Maggot]

LOL.

You tube is your friend if you want to learn anything about gardening. Don't discount all the pot growers either. The goofy boots industry is driving knowledge of soil microbiology and organic bio stimulants to a new level, and old knowledge stuff like dressing with alfalfa hay is not only being proven to be beneficial, but they are figuring out why.

I was in my basement last night looking at some compost tea with my microscope. I was watching this protozoa eating bacteria of a fungal hyphae. Thinking I wish I could take some micro-scope pics, and wondering if anyone else here was interested in being a master gardener.

I am in the ground because I get irrigation water. Right now its just a patch of hay mulch, and some cover crops. This summer when the cherokee purples start getting big and beautiful [god willing, the harder I work the more he wills it to grow for me] I might start a thread. We have about 10 grape vines and two big mulberry trees. We are adding strawberry and mint patches, raspberries, blackberries, and Red Haven peach trees. This is only my second year at this place. I hope our tenants are enjoying my patch from our old house. The old man that owned it left me some pretty good top soil, and a lot of food giving plants.

I would agree people are not learning the essentials about diet, not just what to eat, but how much. How many calories they burn and intake.

There are biological aspects to health also. My wife drinks a couple cokes per day. Both of us are in our early 30s and have never had a cavity. She was raised on junk food. Interestingly though, her family came from the area of the south the life expectancy was lowest, and have very little knowledge of good diet, and my family moved back to Colorado when all those pesky 49ers started showing up in California. And my mom is a dietitian.

MULBERRIES!!!

I ddnt know anyone was still aware of them. When I was young we had a huge Mulberry tree at the back of the property. Every summer when they ripened Id go eat them tilI i was more purple than white. Nothing quite as sweet as a big ripe Mulberry. Looking forward to getting some grapes in. I think a thread, later in the summer would be great. Yeah, I hear some of those old timers up in Humbolt have been studying soil science since the early 70's.

I came from the south as well.

chocoate pie
brown sugar pie
brownies
Moon pie

 

[supercorndogs]

SCD,
This is something to study for soil fertility.
CEC- Cation Exchange Capacity

R

This is something that would be great for discussion. Such as the use of bio-char to increase the water holding and cation exchange in sandy soils. I think the knowledge of the day is saying by adding life and organic matter, the microbes being the key, you can increase the cation exchange in any soil not really dependent on the base medium. I am currently activating some bio char with a guaranteed analysis of 300sqft surface area per gram. You brew it up like a compost tea, and the little microbes habitate it like sky scrapers.

Another one would be worm castings. Some of them are devoid of life, and when you brew a tea with them. There is not much alive in it. This one requires a microscope, and some basic microbe identification skills. I grabbed my AMS scope off e bay for 75 bucks, but its well worth it not wasting money on crap castings. Not to sound like GDR but Worm Gold Plus is the shit. Hint. [pun intended}

Maggot- I was wondering last year if the best part of the mulberries for you is the little tiny bugs that hide on them. I don't know what they are, but I have knowingly ate at least my share.

Mulberries make great jams, jellies and margarita syrups too. They can do more than purple finger and deserved belly aches. Plus with no work we can eat our fill and still have a layer of them an inch thick on the ground. Unfortunately it probably would take 100 years to grow our trees, we are lucky enough someone with that foresight lived here.

 

[jrassy]

Plenty of non Indians live on the standing rock.
If they didn't live there, the mortality rate would be much higher per capita

i grew up on the reservation in Sisseton S.Dak., my father worked for the BIA as a health inspector. memories for sure to match anything i went through in the Marines.Almost.

 

[Maggot]

This is something that would be great for discussion. Such as the use of bio-char to increase the water holding and cation exchange in sandy soils. I think the knowledge of the day is saying by adding life and organic matter, the microbes being the key, you can increase the cation exchange in any soil not really dependent on the base medium. I am currently activating some bio char with a guaranteed analysis of 300sqft surface area per gram. You brew it up like a compost tea, and the little microbes habitate it like sky scrapers.

Another one would be worm castings. Some of them are devoid of life, and when you brew a tea with them. There is not much alive in it. This one requires a microscope, and some basic microbe identification skills. I grabbed my AMS scope off e bay for 75 bucks, but its well worth it not wasting money on crap castings. Not to sound like GDR but Worm Gold Plus is the shit. Hint. [pun intended}

Maggot- I was wondering last year if the best part of the mulberries for you is the little tiny bugs that hide on them. I don't know what they are, but I have knowingly ate at least my share.

Mulberries make great jams, jellies and margarita syrups too. They can do more than purple finger and deserved belly aches. Plus with no work we can eat our fill and still have a layer of them an inch thick on the ground. Unfortunately it probably would take 100 years to grow our trees, we are lucky enough someone with that foresight lived here.

Ive been composting my own soil for a few years, I pile all the grass clippings and other yard waste, add a bit of sand to keep the mix from getting too tight. For the last year Ive been using the hard wood mulch that I shovel out of the wolf kennels, Potent shit...pun intended. Ive found it seems to draw worms, I add a bit of soil to hasten the docomp and in a3-4 years the richest, blackest, soil you can imagine.

Its a shame the Mulberries grow so slowly. Maybe Ill start planting them for posterity.