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I've got one and have run it in matches. It's totally a "gamer" tool but is phenomenally helpful on the right stages, when the rules allow.
Set the tripod and table behind your barricade/prop, placed about 3-6" lower than the barricade height. Throw a front bag on the barricade (or use your bipod up front if there's room) then use the table in the back with a rear bag for elevation control as though you were shooting prone. It's about as stable as prone too, just stupid good.
Example usage from a match earlier this summer. Three 55 gallon barrels strapped together in a pyramid turned on their sides. You had to shoot a KYL style plate rack twice through at ~375 yards from the rounded side of the barrel, 10 rounds 90 seconds. I placed the tactical table behind, bipod on the barrel and rear bag behind on the table. Plenty of time to get all 10 rounds off, went 9 out of 10. Average score if you were shooting from a bag on the barrel was maybe a 5-6.
Looks dumb, until you're winning with it.
Set the tripod and table behind your barricade/prop, placed about 3-6" lower than the barricade height. Throw a front bag on the barricade (or use your bipod up front if there's room) then use the table in the back with a rear bag for elevation control as though you were shooting prone. It's about as stable as prone too, just stupid good.
Example usage from a match earlier this summer. Three 55 gallon barrels strapped together in a pyramid turned on their sides. You had to shoot a KYL style plate rack twice through at ~375 yards from the rounded side of the barrel, 10 rounds 90 seconds. I placed the tactical table behind, bipod on the barrel and rear bag behind on the table. Plenty of time to get all 10 rounds off, went 9 out of 10. Average score if you were shooting from a bag on the barrel was maybe a 5-6.
Looks dumb, until you're winning with it.
I've got one and have run it in matches. It's totally a "gamer" tool but is phenomenally helpful on the right stages, when the rules allow.
Set the tripod and table behind your barricade/prop, placed about 3-6" lower than the barricade height. Throw a front bag on the barricade (or use your bipod up front if there's room) then use the table in the back with a rear bag for elevation control as though you were shooting prone. It's about as stable as prone too, just stupid good.
Example usage from a match earlier this summer. Three 55 gallon barrels strapped together in a pyramid turned on their sides. You had to shoot a KYL style plate rack twice through at ~375 yards from the rounded side of the barrel, 10 rounds 90 seconds. I placed the tactical table behind, bipod on the barrel and rear bag behind on the table. Plenty of time to get all 10 rounds off, went 9 out of 10. Average score if you were shooting from a bag on the barrel was maybe a 5-6.
Looks dumb, until you're winning with it.
Where I come from, they call that cheatin'
. Ok, but at least I know how it works now.....
I've got one and have run it in matches. It's totally a "gamer" tool but is phenomenally helpful on the right stages, when the rules allow.
Set the tripod and table behind your barricade/prop, placed about 3-6" lower than the barricade height. Throw a front bag on the barricade (or use your bipod up front if there's room) then use the table in the back with a rear bag for elevation control as though you were shooting prone. It's about as stable as prone too, just stupid good.
Example usage from a match earlier this summer. Three 55 gallon barrels strapped together in a pyramid turned on their sides. You had to shoot a KYL style plate rack twice through at ~375 yards from the rounded side of the barrel, 10 rounds 90 seconds. I placed the tactical table behind, bipod on the barrel and rear bag behind on the table. Plenty of time to get all 10 rounds off, went 9 out of 10. Average score if you were shooting from a bag on the barrel was maybe a 5-6.
Looks dumb, until you're winning with it.
At that point you may as well put a sling on a Lead Sled and carry it around with you from stage to stage.
At that point you may as well put a sling on a Lead Sled and carry it around with you from stage to stage.
This is better, trust me.
Train without the gear for when you need to be able to shoot with noting but the rifle. Bring the gear so you have it on hand should the rules allow and the stage provide an opportunity for an advantage. You can be sure all the other top competitors are doing the same.
At that point you may as well put a sling on a Lead Sled and carry it around with you from stage to stage.
I always thought PRS looked like fun but anymore it just looks like it comes down to who can pack the most shit. How long before they have a caddy to pack it around for them? I thought the whole point was to have a stage setup so it would be similar to making a shot in the field? I don't think I can pack all this shit to go hunting.
If it was that easy there would be a bunch of guys packing all that gear to take home $5k and $25k checks...the top guys would still beat the 99% of the field with nothing but 1 bag
the point in prs is to hit the most targets/score the most points, under the given stage and time constraints...some stages have constraints where this wouldnt be allowed, others dont...its just a tool
It's not hunting. But I have learned a ton about what equipment is worth lugging around while hunting. Forget the caddie, I want a golf cart.
And there we have it folks! The future of PRS...
Just kidding?? Sort of??Has anyone seen an IPSC IDPA, or Steel Challenge match lately? There are carts, and buggies and wagons, and yes, small golf carts and other motorized things pulling wagons with umbrellas. It is quite frankly ridiculous. I felt like I stood out recently when I showed up with just a range bag. It must be just me...
I think the future of PRS is match directors continuing to make challenging stages with either movement, time constraints or equipment restrictions that keep it challenging for the shooters. Out of the dozen or so matches I've shot this year 90% of stages were done with just one bag and I think I used a tactical table a couple times.
I'm still going to keep the tacitcal table in my backpack so that it's at my disposal if I need it. I'm already carrying a tripod so that I can use glass and the tac-table doesn't take up any space in my backpack since it lays flat. I carry all my gear by hand from stage to stage, and I only have a small backpack (Rush 12). Golf cart is the last thing I'm thinking about.
If you shoot PRS and already have a tripod that you are carrying with you this is a worthwhile purchase. If you're not shooting PRS then no need to lament a "gear race" since that's not happening. The only "race" I see is the guys who are committed to practice and sending thousands of rounds downrange a year to sharpen their skills.
I'm still going to keep the tacitcal table in my backpack so that it's at my disposal if I need it. I'm already carrying a tripod so that I can use glass and the tac-table doesn't take up any space in my backpack since it lays flat. I carry all my gear by hand from stage to stage, and I only have a small backpack (Rush 12). Golf cart is the last thing I'm thinking about.
If you shoot PRS and already have a tripod that you are carrying with you this is a worthwhile purchase. If you're not shooting PRS then no need to lament a "gear race" since that's not happening. The only "race" I see is the guys who are committed to practice and sending thousands of rounds downrange a year to sharpen their skills.
I was really just riffing on it, not to worry. I shoot matches now carrying 4 different bags for that very reason. And like you said, it depends on the match director whether I use anything other than my rear bag more than once or twice per match. Mostly, I shoot just local matches, where there is little opportunity to use a tripod for anything other than a spotting scope.
I used my "tac table" for the same stage you were talking about at the Wenatchee match, worked great. Mine's just a piece of lexan that I screwed an arca plate to. My teammate and myself also used it on one stage of the Snipershide Team Challenge when we were shooting standing off a tripod, rifle in a saddle on one tripod, tac table on the 2nd tripod in the back. It's a versatile piece of gear that really adds no weight when you're already carrying a tripod anyways...
Just bought one myself, I think it is just another tool in the bag when you if can use it properly.
It does seem kind of "gamey" but it is the job of the match director to make shooters use a whole bunch of skill sets during the match. If a match was set up where a guy could use this the whole time that would suck. I know for some of the stages I have designed I have just flat out had a one bag rule - it isn't creative but it keeps guys on their toes.
Also, as previously mentioned, a lot of us are toting around tripods now so it doesn't seem that bad.
It does seem kind of "gamey" but it is the job of the match director to make shooters use a whole bunch of skill sets during the match. If a match was set up where a guy could use this the whole time that would suck. I know for some of the stages I have designed I have just flat out had a one bag rule - it isn't creative but it keeps guys on their toes.
Also, as previously mentioned, a lot of us are toting around tripods now so it doesn't seem that bad.
I enjoy shooting matches, and this is certainly a gamers item. I hope match directors will put out what equipment is allowed to be used before registration time for the match. I know many already do that. I never thought a table could be tactical, but maybe that's my own fault for not thinking tactically.
Blanket equipment bans are very uncreative and slow the advancement of our sport.
The MPA chassis would have been seen as super gimicky a few years ago same with the Gamechanger bags. If a guy shows up to a match with 10 bags but knows how to use them I think he should be allowed to run them.
You can come to one of our matches with as many bags as you like as long as you carry them with you the whole match.. You will find, however, that some stages are specifically restricted and for a reason.
I disagree. I think it alienates more people from the sport. What was the philosophy behind the creation of the PRS anyway? If it was to find out who the best practical shooter is, I cant imagine how a portable table is practical. If the philosophy was simply to find out who the best shooter is without limitations on equipment, then I suppose anything is fair game, and don't have a problem with someone who carries a table with them.
I run matches in Canada and they are designed to find the best shooter. The stages are designed so that maybe the shooter with all the stuff will have an edge but maybe not.
The shooter who practices under all sorts of conditions will win. I do restrict some stages but not all, I feel that it will catch out the people who only practice one way.
All it takes is 90 second par times and 4 shooting positions to solve all the "gamer" complaints.
I tried the tac table a month ago in a practice match experimenting with it on a stage. Cost me a point since I timed out fiddling with it and only got off 8 out of 9 rounds. It's good to know when NOT to use it too.
I tried the tac table a month ago in a practice match experimenting with it on a stage. Cost me a point since I timed out fiddling with it and only got off 8 out of 9 rounds. It's good to know when NOT to use it too.
All it takes is 90 second par times and 4 shooting positions to solve all the "gamer" complaints.
I tried the tac table a month ago in a practice match experimenting with it on a stage. Cost me a point since I timed out fiddling with it and only got off 8 out of 9 rounds. It's good to know when NOT to use it too.
make it 5 positions
i can still do 4 and im not the fastest lol
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