Jewell; Rifle Basix; Rem X-Mark trigger

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When selecting a trigger for a tactical build, I understand one needs 120% reliability. I've never had any problems with well worked Rem 700 triggers. I have several rifles which have the Rem X-Mark Pro and am fine with them. Last week, my buddy received his new Surgeon Scalpel with a Jewell. My toe got banged by my dropping jaw when the Jewel broke.

Are their any issues of safety, reliability, adjustability when setting up a tactical rifle with any of these triggers?

Thanks,

Alan
 
#4
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Rifle Basix are GTG too. They are crisp. I have 2 rifles with them and they are adjusted to 3.5lbs but a good number of people think that they are adjusted to 1.5lbs.
 
#5
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i have a similar question. im really wondering if a timney, rifle basix or jewell has advantages over the other two?
i really want to replace my x-mark.

Sry for the hijack
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jewell dont think about the others</div></div>



i will make book...than the VAST majority of rifles in the top ten in the comps some here play in ....got a jewel installed.
 
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Ask Rifles Only how Jewell triggers hold up under field conditions.

I have factory Rem triggers I adjusted to 2.5-3lbs in all my rifles.
 
#13
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I have owned a few Jewells and they all ,"Felt" frail to me . It may have all been psychological but I just never felt that something built to be used on Benchrest guns to achieve the lightest trigger pull possible should be used on a field weapon that needs to operate no matter how hard the weapon has been beat on . Give me a good solid Rem 700 trigger set at 2.5-3 pounds and I am happy as a clam . I also have a rifle with a Rifle Basix trigger and while it not been in my posession for a long time it feels fairly solid to me as well .
 
#14
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Can anyone show me how to change triggers on Remington 700's. I have a used 7mm Rem. Mag. with a beautiful trigger and a newer Rem. .308 with an X-Mark Pro and would like to swap them. Can this be done without a gunsmith? Please help me out.

Thnaks,
P.B.Walsh
 
#15
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There's two pins that hold it and the bolt release in. I can do it and I am very mechanically declined so I am sure you can do it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm thinking I'll use my Jewell for load development, nice and light, then swap out to Shilen or R.B. </div></div>

That's one way to go, but if it were me, I'd pick one trigger and stick with it for everything. I wouldn't want to head into the field with a trigger I haven't been shooting all along.

As far as trigger failure, I've seen my fair share of any triggers crap out when dirty, frozen, or oiled. Remingtons, as well as Jewells, are particularly prone to this because of the enclosed nature of the trigger that holds crap and makes cleaning difficult. Remingtons are reknowned for the bolt release lever to fail under field condtions. My favorite field trigger is still the Winchester 70; simple, crisp, easy to maintain. Having said that, if I have an action that accepts a Rem 700 style trigger, I still like the Jewell, especially the model with the safety inside the triggerguard in front of the trigger. Basically, I pick the trigger I want to use, then do whatever I can to keep it clean, dry, and free of lubricant contamination. I guess if you want dead reliable, I'd ask those who live and die by them what they use.
 
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I have shoot several different triggers and the Jewell is head and shoulders above the others. I will say though, that I like Jewell for my target / precision rifles, but it is narrow and I don't care for this feature in certain situations, for example hunting.
 
#19
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Jewell for me...

Been running them for years on field rifles and bench guns,never had an issue. I have used Timney and Shilen as well but prefer the Jewell......Its a Texas thing I guess...LOL
 
#20
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Really like the wide shoe of the older Remingtons. Just think how many of them have been on hunting rifles that have been run hard for years on end with no cleaning etc. That said, I have a Timney that I am very happy with as well. Have no say in the RB or Jewell.
 
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The ONLY trigger I have ever had fail was a Remington trigger. Two of them to be exact. One had a failure that allowed the rifle to fire even when on safe and the other had been WD40'd to death by a previous owner.
If you think poorly of Jewel, you should talk to jared at APA. That is what he uses a lot of.
Rifle Basix is OK. I have had trouble getting a crisp break with them. But no failures.
The X Mark Pro can be improved by a knowledgable smith and appears to be a good design.
Just keep the oil away from any of them.
 
#22
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I like the wide trigger shoe also on the older Remmys, does anyone know if they make wide trigger socks that fit over the Jewell trigger shoe? that'd be perfect.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask Rifles Only how Jewell triggers hold up under field conditions.

I have factory Rem triggers I adjusted to 2.5-3lbs in all my rifles. </div></div>

Or could you just tell us what they found in their testing?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask Rifles Only how Jewell triggers hold up under field conditions.

I have factory Rem triggers I adjusted to 2.5-3lbs in all my rifles. </div></div>

Or could you just tell us what they found in their testing? </div></div>

im just guessing but these would be my assumptions:
Trigger Pull increased
Sears broke
Trigger shoe broke
Trigger went complete tits up
 
#25
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After seeing quite a few of the triggers mentioned above I can tell you that all of them will most likely give you many years of reliable service, let's face it a vast majority of shooter's here don't run their rifles that hard. This is not a bad thing. I like every rifle I own and take care of them as much as possible without sacrificing using them as intended.

The pros/cons I've seen are as follows:

Jewells are great for very light weight and consistent pulls, thats why they work great for target rifles. I haven't personally seen a jewell fail "in the field" but I know how tight tolerance they are and can easily see them failing with minimal gunk in their mechanism. I do know that Jewells are at their best with tight tolerance actions with minimal cocking piece slop and trigger cut slop.

Rifle Basix are decent triggers and are easy to set by even the novice. My only gripe about these triggers is that the engagement surface edges seem to be rounded and not sharp so getting a good crisp break requires minimal recutting of the surfaces. I don't know about their reliability over years of hard abuse but nothing stands out as an obvious weak point.

Despite the internet bashing of the new x-mark I have had pretty good luck with setting them. You get the occasional one that is a bastard but that is with any mass produced trigger. My main gripe deals with the overtravel adjustment. If you set it with a hair of overtravel (to not prematurely wear the engagement surfaces) the safety doesn't work or requires an ogre to use it. Overtravel on a centerfire is more of a personal preference thing, I like minimal but the rifle is recoiling anyway so you won't really notice it.

On a side note I really like the new externally adjusted x-mark pro trigger. It still has the usual weight adjustment in the same location plus an additional adjustment on the trigger shoe (much like a jewell). I like setting the regular adjustment to 1.5 lbs or whatever I can get away with without it dropping and then I stake it. Next I take up the additional weight with the set screw on the trigger shoe. This gives the end user the option of adjusting weight within a range that will not result in an inoperable rifle regardless of how much they "adjust it". This sort of idiot-proofs the trigger while giving the owner the freedom to play with the weight and figure out what they like.

Just my thoughts on your question.

Ern
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask Rifles Only how Jewell triggers hold up under field conditions.

I have factory Rem triggers I adjusted to 2.5-3lbs in all my rifles. </div></div>

Or could you just tell us what they found in their testing? </div></div>

It wasn't testing. It was watching 3 rifles with Jewell triggers go down during a match from getting dirty. Make sure to carry lighter fluid to clean your trigger.

I got nothing personal against Jewell triggers and if I was using the rifle for F Class or BR or another sport where it doesn't see much of the elements I would have no problem spending the money and putting one on my rifle but for the amount of abuse my rifles take the Rem triggers are working fine. My .308 still has the factory trigger from when it started life as a 700VS back around 1993.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if you want dead reliable, I'd ask those who live and die by them what they use.</div></div>

What trigger is in the M24 and the M40A1 and A3?
 
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I think that the trigger on the M24, M40a1, and M40a3 are the Remington triggers. I know that the M24 had and external adjustment to adjust how light or heavy the trigger was. The M40a3 used the same thing. But I think that the Marines went away with that because the Marines themselves would adjust the trigger pull and that would be illegal maintenance. I dont know what the M24 trigger is now. I could be wrong about what they use now.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VA65284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have 4 rifles with Jewell triggers and have never had an issue </div></div>

are we talking on bench guns or no shit field guns????
 
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One is on a field gun, others are are my bench rifles and a coyote gun. Sorry, should have read the first posts a little better. The one in my 308 and 22-250 Ackley get used out in the weather and get pretty dirty and haven't had any issues at all. But then i haven't thrown them in the mud to check any farther
 
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I have a Jewell in both of my 700s. At first I didn't think I would like the narrow trigger but Its not a problem. I did have
to clearance the inside of the AICS 1.5 stock. The trigger was rubbing on one side. Great consistant triggers...
 
#32
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Thanks USMC Grunt but I was being a little sarcastic. Tough to read that though at times.
 
#33
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I've had all three, Jewell is great, I'm using the Bifle Basix now because it is "supposed" to be better for getting dirty and malf, I don't know about that but I do know my RB trigger at 1.5# is FINE!!! Every bit as good as the Jewell.I will always choose them for my builds. I'm a cleaning freak and I always flush my triggers with lighter fluid as the last thing I do after cleaning.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Walsh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anyone show me how to change triggers on Remington 700's. I have a used 7mm Rem. Mag. with a beautiful trigger and a newer Rem. .308 with an X-Mark Pro and would like to swap them. Can this be done without a gunsmith? Please help me out.

Thnaks,
P.B.Walsh </div></div>

This is a great link that I just used to install my Jewell.

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/JewellHVR.asp
 
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Jewell is a great trigger installed tw units one in a 700 223 and one in a 700 308. I wanted the two rifles to have the same trigger pull. Both set at 1.5 #. Also doesent hurt that they are down the road from me.
Woody
 
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Jewell is by far to me the way to go! I have had many fine adjusted factory triggers mostly Remington and my dad had a Timmney put on his 700 but none ncompare to the Jewell I just put on my .223
 
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I've had an older style Remmy factory trigger (pre-X) fail after it was worked on by a competent smith...granted it had close to 5000 rounds past it. I've also had a Shilen start to bind after getting sandy with just a few hundred past it. It happens. Anything mechanical with tight tolerances is going to have a probability of failing. Keep your shit clean if you live by a rifle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C Ward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr B You are trigger cursed . I have a Jewell on my 260 AI and a Shillen on my 308 . Both rifles have been shot almost exclusivly in field conditions like here , http://demigodllc.com/articles/colorado-multigun-steel-safari-2009 and here , http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1030951&page=1

Never had issues with either . </div></div>

and you never clean your rifles either.....

I think I'm just normal and you're lucky as fuck.
 
#44
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Between the timney and RB, which one has the better reputation. I'm in the market for something to replace my x-mark pro and really can't justify the $200 for a jewel.

I read somewhere that the RB isn't a drop in replacement. Is a smith required to install it? I've replaced R700 triggers before, is there something different about the RB?

Thanks
 
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Anyone know of any aftermarket triggers than can go straight into the remington 700 AND fit the AICS chasis without requiring the inside of the chasis to be milled to accomodate?
 
#47
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Jewels are the biggest pieces of shit for a "dirty use" trigger you can find. Sure, an handful may not have had trouble with it but I've been one of those guys Rob was talking about that had my trigger fail during a match. You couldn't give me a Jewel for free.
Remington stock triggers are more than fine. If you must insist on using a aftermarket trigger look at a Timney but stay away from Jewel.
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griff01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Between the timney and RB, which one has the better reputation. I'm in the market for something to replace my x-mark pro and really can't justify the $200 for a jewel. <span style="color: #006600">Jewel in my GAP and still on the fence but for the coin, it has not lived up to my expectations. </span>

I read somewhere that the RB isn't a drop in replacement. Is a smith required to install it? I've replaced R700 triggers before, is there something different about the RB? <span style="color: #006600"> According to RB when I bought mine, their trigger is as close to a factory 700 there is on the market with better parts and machining. RB LV1 in my 700 is top shelf. Cold, dirt, wet no fails and after 5 years, still broke at 1# even. Took maybe 30 mins to install mine, the only issue I had was the bolt stop, did not make good contact and I tried bending it but after a call to RB, I was bending it the wrong the way, one of those counter physic things. </span>

Thanks </div></div>
 
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I'll trade anyone my old Remington for a Jewell HVR they are dissatified with!

I didn't like my RB, haven't had Timney, love my Jewell, and like Rem old style.
 
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