JP PCC question

[ut755ln]

I got to shoot a JP5 at a USPSA event and I was really impressed with it. I went to their web site to look at them and I noticed that they actually make two different PCCs. The JP5 which is a roller delayed system and the JP GMR which is a direct blowback. I am not looking to compete with the PCC. I have shot four two gun matches this year and I always preform worse with rifles compared to pistols. Effectively the courses of fire are for the most part short range with a lot of snap shooting inside 25 yards. I have a place to shoot rifles in a way that I would consider good practice but it is an hour drive from where I live. If I had a PCC, I could hit two different indoor ranges and practice some of what I am hitting in matches. I also am guessing that practicing with the PCC would be less expensive with less wear on the equipment compared to my rifle.

Now that I went through all of that, I would actually prefer to buy whichever version is going to feel more like my rifle (recoil impulse). For those of you that have shot them, can you point me in the right direction?

 

[jpp3g]

The PCC that feels most like a real rifle in terms of recoil impulse would be the MEAN Arms MAUL. Can't recommend it highly enough. You can also use your same 3gun rifle lower with it. If you're truly sold on the JP, then I'd recommend the JP5 over the GMR15, and you'll need to experiment with the locking pieces to get the impulse you're looking for. Again though, check out the MEAN.

 

[fedupflyer]

I have yet to shoot the JP5 roller delayed (it is on my Christmas buy list this year)
but
the blowback PCCs are somewhat jumpy as compared to a 223/556.
Check one of the ranges near you for a rental and see for yourself.

Keep in mind you can pick up a mass produced PCC for under $1k and the JP5 is $3k.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I've shot both, and while the GMR is nice, it and any other blowback PCC will always have a way different recoil impulse than a DI AR15 in 5.56. Compared to a well tuned AR, a blowback PCC will have considerably more recoil.
The JP5 is on a whole different planet. More like a loud 10/22 than any centerfire equivalent i can think of.

 

[davsco]

hit another match and sure you will find someone shooting an "old school" jp gmr13 or 15 who will let you shoot after the match.

 

[N_Turs]

I shoot a lot of 2gun matches and built a blowback 9mm a few years back because I thought it would be nice to train with. It has all the bells and whistles you can do to a blowback. While it’s super reliable it’s not a pleasure to shoot at all. Pretty much just sits in my safe. If you want a pcc and can spring for it just get the jp5. I’m a huge fan of jp products in general and will eventually get a jp5 aswell… the recoil impulse as others have stated just won’t ever feel “right” from a blowback pcc.

 

[ut755ln]

I've shot both, and while the GMR is nice, it and any other blowback PCC will always have a way different recoil impulse than a DI AR15 in 5.56. Compared to a well tuned AR, a blowback PCC will have considerably more recoil.
The JP5 is on a whole different planet. More like a loud 10/22 than any centerfire equivalent i can think of.

Yeah, I was a little focused on trying to get a similar recoil impulse and setup so that it does not feel different or at least too different. I have shot several iterations of direct blow back PCCs and to your point they do feel different.

The JP5 was 14.5 and had a pinned obnoxious muzzle break that was actually very effective. If anything, it shot softer then my DI rifle.

 

[houndog]

I own a couple of PCC's which I have shot a bunch of steel challenge matches with. The gun I shoot the most is a cheap Foxtrot Mike. Only upgrade is I swapped in a Geissele trigger and since doing so the gun has run 100%. However, it is not really soft shooting. Still works great for my purposes since I'm not exactly a Grand Master at steel challenge and I doubt the recoil of a DI really slows me down all that much.

However, If I had it to do over again, rather than having 3 PCC's that I play around with, I'd have just bought a JP5. Haven't ever had the chance to shoot one, but I understand that they are simply on another level.